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[snowfox522]

Wrex would totally win.

[JShepard1992]

Wrex would he has more experience when he was a bounty hunter

[100k]

VolusvsReaper wrote...

100k wrote...

VolusvsReaper wrote...

I honestly think Thane could kill half the people listed above him

The thing about my list is that it is based upon open one on one combat scenarios that are clearly defined and executed. Thane could probably fairly easily kill Saren given the contract. However, that isn't a test of skill, but of intuition, infiltration, planning, etc etc. 

Put them in an arena, 100 meters long, with cover, trenches, and open areas, and I anticipated that Saren would kill Thane 7 to 8/10 times. Not great odds, I know for either of them, I know, but it's just an example of how they would fair against each other openly. 

So yes, Thane could kill anyone on that list. Anyone on that list could kill anyone. We're talking about the most dangerous people in the galaxy here. Even the best (Saren) is going to lose to the worst-of-the-best,sometimes.

Thane is considered the greatest assasin potentially in the ME world lol...even the shadow broker had files on him that had step by step ways to kill each and every race lol.  Also I would still pick Shepard as #1 on that list considering what he has done lol.

Re-read what I wrote. I didn't say that Thane couldn't beat everyone on that list. Same for Shepard. Hell, in a count down round of skill, Shepard would probably come in first. But, going strictly from the lore of the series, Shepard is ONLY out matched by Zaeed + Jessie, and Wrex in one on one fights.

Zaeed would kill Shepard 6/10 times by simply mowing him down. He's got the experience, skill, and luck.

Wrex would kill Shepard roughly the same amount. He's got the size and strength to take the hits that Shepard can't afford to take, thus allowing him to expose Shepard's weaknesses. Once again, not great odds for either side. If someone told me that if I got in my car, it had a 40% chance of blowing up, I'd avoid it like the plague. Its just as much of a example of HOW GOOD Shepard is that he stands this really excellent chance of winning.

*someone points out that Shepard killed Wrex in one on one combat on Virmire* 

Yes, he did. But, like I said, he has great odds when fighting just about anyone. 

Saren beat Shepard the first time they fought in a one on one CQC sequence, and only died when Shepard took him down with two other squad mates of rivaling talent. Hence, going off of those experiences, I rate Saren slightly higher than Shepard. 

I'll say it again: being on this list doesn't automatically qualify one for victory. It's based off of arena match style fights, in which the winner is clearly defined due to few variables, and clear rules of engagement.

[naledgeborn]

100k wrote...

Re-read what I wrote. I didn't say that Thane couldn't beat everyone on that list. Same for Shepard. Hell, in a count down round of skill, Shepard would probably come in first. But, going strictly from the lore of the series, Shepard is ONLY out matched by Zaeed + Jessie, and Wrex in one on one fights.

Zaeed would kill Shepard 6/10 times by simply mowing him down. He's got the experience, skill, and luck.

Wrex would kill Shepard roughly the same amount. He's got the size and strength to take the hits that Shepard can't afford to take, thus allowing him to expose Shepard's weaknesses. Once again, not great odds for either side. If someone told me that if I got in my car, it had a 40% chance of blowing up, I'd avoid it like the plague. Its just as much of a example of HOW GOOD Shepard is that he stands this really excellent chance of winning.

*someone points out that Shepard killed Wrex in one on one combat on Virmire* 

Yes, he did. But, like I said, he has great odds when fighting just about anyone. 

Saren beat Shepard the first time they fought in a one on one CQC sequence, and only died when Shepard took him down with two other squad mates of rivaling talent. Hence, going off of those experiences, I rate Saren slightly higher than Shepard. 

I'll say it again: being on this list doesn't automatically qualify one for victory. It's based off of arena match style fights, in which the winner is clearly defined due to few variables, and clear rules of engagement.

You do know that Shepard is now a cyborg right? Just throwing it out there. 

[100k]

Bad King wrote...

Why Ashley and no Mordin?

He simply doesn't land the same kind of hits that Ash does. She's a soldier. He's an ex STG agent of incredible intelligence. He even admits to preferring to trick his enemies into a false sense of security before killing them. 

If Ash and Mordin faced off in a battle field, he'd go for his tech powers and SMG, and she's go at him with grenades and rifles. In the end, her size, speed, and ability to take hits makes her victorious.

Its the reason why I didn't put Tali or Kasumi on this list either. Neither of them are as combat heavy as the rest of the squad. Kasumi could probably turn invisible and hit you with a stun grenade, and Tali could probably summon a drone to attack you, but these aren't really that effective canonically. 

[100k]

naledgeborn wrote...
You do know that Shepard is now a cyborg right? Just throwing it out there. 

Of course I do. I factored that in as well. In a fist fight with everyone except Thane (too quick), and Wrex (too strong--DON'T use the SB as an example) Shepard would probably win. Even then, he/she could probably do some real damage to Krios and Wrex in a fight.

See how complex this is?

But don't understand me people. What I set up was a combat simulation. Shepard is EASILY the most dangerous person in the galaxy all things considered. Shepard has a deadly ship, deadly squad mates, incredibly deadly training, intelligence, will power, intuition, luck, charisma, etc. 

But my combat simulation isn't a tribal regime of rulership where the strongest lords himself over the others. 

Shepard is deadlier than the others when his/her combat abilities are compiled with his/her other equally impressive traits. 

Modifié par 100k, 03 juillet 2011 - 03:33 .

[100k]

Upon further consideration, I've decided that Shepard is very nearly tied with Zaeed. 

So, the list goes like this.

10. Legion tied with Grunt
9. Ash 
8. Miranda 
7. Jacob
6. Garrus tied with Thane 
5. Aria tied with Vasir 
4. Samara tied with Nihilus 
3. Wrex 
2. Zaeed tied with Shepard
1. Saren Arterius. 

[The Spamming Troll]

100k wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Why Ashley and no Mordin?

He simply doesn't land the same kind of hits that Ash does. She's a soldier. He's an ex STG agent of incredible intelligence. He even admits to preferring to trick his enemies into a false sense of security before killing them. 

If Ash and Mordin faced off in a battle field, he'd go for his tech powers and SMG, and she's go at him with grenades and rifles. In the end, her size, speed, and ability to take hits makes her victorious.

Its the reason why I didn't put Tali or Kasumi on this list either. Neither of them are as combat heavy as the rest of the squad. Kasumi could probably turn invisible and hit you with a stun grenade, and Tali could probably summon a drone to attack you, but these aren't really that effective canonically. 

you cant give ashely all the atributes of a soldier, and deligate mordin to just an SMG. 

are weapons alone the defining factor to who wins a fight? if so, why is thane so good at it???

if were comparing the characters as is in game, wrex had immunity AND barrier, throw and warp, shotguns and ARs......is there another character that has as much, even shepard?

[MrFob]

100k wrote...

Upon further consideration, I've decided that Shepard is very nearly tied with Zaeed. 

So, the list goes like this.

10. Legion tied with Grunt
9. Ash 
8. Miranda 
7. Jacob
6. Garrus tied with Thane 
5. Aria tied with Vasir 
4. Samara tied with Nihilus 
3. Wrex 
2. Zaeed tied with Shepard
1. Saren Arterius. 

What kind of a list is THAT?!?

- Why is Miranda more dangerous than Ash?
- Garrus ties with Thane? Really?
- Shep belongs on 1 and the argument that s/he is only so good because s/he is the protagonist doesn't count because , well, he is still the most dangerous guy/girl.
- And most importantly: What the hell is Jacob doing on that list?!?

[naledgeborn]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

you cant give ashely all the atributes of a soldier, and deligate mordin to just an SMG. 

are weapons alone the defining factor to who wins a fight? if so, why is thane so good at it???

if were comparing the characters as is in game, wrex had immunity AND barrier, throw and warp, shotguns and ARs......is there another character that has as much, even shepard?

*coughs sentinel coughs*

[Praetor Knight]

DonDaMon wrote...

 Who is the stronger or superior Krogan based on strength & backstory etc etc.. who would win in a fight ?

Hmm... Krogan Battlemasters at each other's throats...

I'd root for Wrex!

But it might be up to the writers, on this Vs. Thread outcome

[The Spamming Troll]

naledgeborn wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

you cant give ashely all the atributes of a soldier, and deligate mordin to just an SMG. 

are weapons alone the defining factor to who wins a fight? if so, why is thane so good at it???

if were comparing the characters as is in game, wrex had immunity AND barrier, throw and warp, shotguns and ARs......is there another character that has as much, even shepard?

*coughs sentinel coughs*

sentinels dont have two primary weapons and two defensive abilities.

and sentinals cant ever kill an enemy by eating them.

[DonDaMon]

is it just me, or do the krogan have the most bad ass names ? .. wrex, skarr, wreav , etc etc ... lol , i love krogan names.

[Praetor Knight]

DonDaMon wrote...

is it just me, or do the krogan have the most bad ass names ? .. wrex, skarr, wreav , etc etc ... lol , i love krogan names.

it ain't just you

[Kogaion]

since the book is written and relesed a little before the game was out ..i think that Wrex is actualy Skarr (i know what happens at the end of Revelation)...bouth battlemasters ..bouth biotics..bouth mercenary who work alone..etc....Skarr is an example on how Wrex did his business before meeting Shepard

[Han Shot First]

So you're just going to assume i'm a Wrex fanboy ?  , anyways Shep is Good, but not a god & if for the fact that he wasn't the protagonist he wouldn't be in the same league as some of the characters in the mass effect universe.

You are right in that Shepard wouldn't be in the same league as some of the other characters in the Mass Effect universe, but only because they are batting in the minors, while he's in the majors.

He is the protagonist because's he's humanity's greatest living warrior, and probably the galaxy's as well. I like Wrex and Zaeed, but they shouldn't be placed above him on a list of the most dangerous people in the galaxy. That is ridiculous, particularly when Shepard may have killed both of them.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 03 juillet 2011 - 02:31 .

[D.Sharrah]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

you cant give ashely all the atributes of a soldier, and deligate mordin to just an SMG. 

are weapons alone the defining factor to who wins a fight? if so, why is thane so good at it???

if were comparing the characters as is in game, wrex had immunity AND barrier, throw and warp, shotguns and ARs......is there another character that has as much, even shepard?

*coughs sentinel coughs*

sentinels dont have two primary weapons and two defensive abilities.

and sentinals cant ever kill an enemy by eating them.

Depends...are we talking ME 1 or ME 2...I still say the most powerful Shepard is a Bastion from ME 1, with Bastion, PIstols and Stasis maxed...Shepard can "freeze" a Thresher Maw and then take it out with Marksman from the ground...no help needed.

[Gabey5]

they are basically the same person.. wrex loyalism ftl

all krogan are the same copypastas

[Han Shot First]

Zaeed would kill Shepard 6/10 times by simply mowing him down. He's got the experience, skill, and luck.

 
Luck perhaps, but he doesn't have an edge in either experience or skill.

Shepard isn't a freshly commissioned 90 day wonder in Mass Effect 1. When we are first introduced to the character he's got 11 years of service as a Marine under his belt and in two of the backgrounds he's a hardened combat veteran. In one of them he's a war hero that rallied a ragtag force that included civilians, to defeat an attacking Batarian/pirate/mercenary force that had him massively outnumbered. At some part towards the end of that combat action, we are told that Shep single handedly held off an entire enemy platoon to seal a breach of some sort. In that background he's a modern day Leonidas of Sparta and humanity's greatest living warrior. By the time we meet him, regardless of background, he also has an elite Spec Ops background.

No way Zaeed kills Shep in anything close to 6 out of 10 times.

Wrex would kill Shepard roughly the same amount. He's got the size and strength to take the hits that Shepard can't afford to take, thus allowing him to expose Shepard's weaknesses. Once again, not great odds for either side. If someone told me that if I got in my car, it had a 40% chance of blowing up, I'd avoid it like the plague. Its just as much of a example of HOW GOOD Shepard is that he stands this really excellent chance of winning.

Evidence suggests the opposite since Shepard can not only kill Wrex, but completely owns him. He smashes Wrex in the face with the butt of his shotgun, and then gives him the "BOOM HEADSHOT" treatment while he's down on the ground.

Wrex's size and strength count for nothing in a gun battle. Sure, I'd give him the edge over Shep in a wrestling match. But Shep would have to be retarded to fight Krogan on their terms.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 03 juillet 2011 - 04:06 .

[CroGamer002]

Corps vs Wrex?

I think answer is obvious.

[100k]

Han Shot First wrote...Luck perhaps, but he doesn't have an edge in either experience or skill.

Uhhh...is this  joke?

Shepard isn't a freshly commissioned 90 day wonder in Mass Effect 1. When we are first introduced to the character he's got 11 years of service as a Marine under his belt and in two of the backgrounds he's a hardened combat veteran. In one of them he's a war hero that rallied a ragtag force that included civilians, to defeat an attacking Batarian/pirate/mercenary force that had him massively outnumbered. At some part towards the end of that combat action, we are told that Shep single handedly held off an entire enemy platoon to seal a breach of some sort. In that background he's a modern day Leonidas of Sparta and humanity's greatest living warrior. By the time we meet him, regardless of background, he also has an elite Spec Ops background.

You need to stop thinking that I am assuming that Shepard's back ground is worthless. Just stop. Read my other posts before posting. Shepard is a f*cking beast, and I'd be the first to admit it.

However, Zaeed has been doing the same kind of things Shepard (War Hero, Sole Survivor, and Ruthless) did for about 30 years. He has the luck. He has the will. He has the skill. He has the instincts. He has the experience. What he doesn't have is the cyborg body, charisma, intelligence (though he's still pretty smart), or team building skills which are all giant stat boosts for Shepard. 

So no, I don't underestimate either character ever. Believe me, Zaeed would think long and hard before picking a fight with Shepard.

No way Zaeed kills Shep in anything close to 6 out of 10 times.

 But as I said, I've reconsidered, and I'd say that Shepard ties with Zaeed. 50/50 split. If Zaeed has Jessie, he might have a slight advantage, but I personally see them as equals in combat.

Evidence suggests the opposite since Shepard can not only kill Wrex, but completely owns him. He smashes Wrex in the face with the butt of his shotgun, and then gives him the "BOOM HEADSHOT" treatment while he's down on the ground.

Wrex's size and strength count for nothing in a gun battle. Sure, I'd give him the edge over Shep in a wrestling match. But Shep would have to be retarded to fight Krogan on their terms.

Look at my revised list. And even if it isn't revised, I did say that Shepard still had a high change of killing Wrex in one on one combat. 

[100k]

MrFob wrote...

100k wrote...

Upon further consideration, I've decided that Shepard is very nearly tied with Zaeed. 

So, the list goes like this.

10. Legion tied with Grunt
9. Ash 
8. Miranda 
7. Jacob
6. Garrus tied with Thane 
5. Aria tied with Vasir 
4. Samara tied with Nihilus 
3. Wrex 
2. Zaeed tied with Shepard
1. Saren Arterius. 

What kind of a list is THAT?!?

- Why is Miranda more dangerous than Ash?
- Garrus ties with Thane? Really?
- Shep belongs on 1 and the argument that s/he is only so good because s/he is the protagonist doesn't count because , well, he is still the most dangerous guy/girl.
- And most importantly: What the hell is Jacob doing on that list?!?

I put Miranda over Ash because I'm guessing their gun skills are similar, but  Miranda has biotics on her side.

Garrus ties with Thane because of his abilities to deconstruct a threat while in a fire fight. If Thane had been hired to kill Archangel, however, I'm betting he would have won. Thane prefers to work quietly and quickly. In a straight up one on one gun fight he doesn't carry an assault rifle, so he'd have to risk taking on Vakarian with an SMG while the turian sported an assault rifle.

On top of that, Garrus is heavier armored. So in a raw shoot out, Garrus would probably win, assuming that they were using rapid fire weapons. However, it is likely that, with Thane's speed, he could engage Garrus in hand to hand combat, and win 8/10 times.

If they were using sniper rifles, it would be extremely close, but Thane's stealth and agility would give him a slight edge. I'd say Thane wins a sniper contest 6/10 times, but with the full notion that Thane is able to outflank Garrus most of the time.

So in the end, its a pretty fair match up.

You can see my reasons for placing Shepard behind Saren in my other posts.

Jacob is on that list because he is also a protagonist. He earned his position there, and the fact that you don't like him doesn't detract from that.

[darknoon5]

Skarr was badass, but Wrex is the most badass character in the series.

[Han Shot First]

You need to stop thinking that I am assuming that Shepard's back ground is worthless. Just stop. Read my other posts before posting. Shepard is a f*cking beast, and I'd be the first to admit it.

However, Zaeed has been doing the same kind of things Shepard (War Hero, Sole Survivor, and Ruthless) did for about 30 years. He has the luck. He has the will. He has the skill. He has the instincts. He has the experience. What he doesn't have is the cyborg body, charisma, intelligence (though he's still pretty smart), or team building skills which are all giant stat boosts for Shepard. 

So no, I don't underestimate either character ever. Believe me, Zaeed would think long and hard before picking a fight with Shepard.

N7 Marines > Blue Sluns

Zaeed is a hardened mercenary with combat experience, but he built his reputation as a mercenary not while he was with the Alliance. He's the equivalent of one of those gun toting jackasses that you see in many of Africa's wars. He's dangerous but not a professional. 9 times out of 10 I'm going to go with the Special Operations people than with the unprofessional mercenary fighting for profit.

Zaeed also doesn't even come close to holding a candle to War Hero Shep, who is easily humanity's greatest living warrior.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 03 juillet 2011 - 06:11 .