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[100k]

Han Shot First wrote...

You need to stop thinking that I am assuming that Shepard's back ground is worthless. Just stop. Read my other posts before posting. Shepard is a f*cking beast, and I'd be the first to admit it.

However, Zaeed has been doing the same kind of things Shepard (War Hero, Sole Survivor, and Ruthless) did for about 30 years. He has the luck. He has the will. He has the skill. He has the instincts. He has the experience. What he doesn't have is the cyborg body, charisma, intelligence (though he's still pretty smart), or team building skills which are all giant stat boosts for Shepard. 

So no, I don't underestimate either character ever. Believe me, Zaeed would think long and hard before picking a fight with Shepard.

N7 Marines > Blue Sluns

Zaeed is a hardened mercenary with combat experience, but he built his reputation as a mercenary not while he was with the Alliance. He's the equivalent of one of those gun toting jackasses that you see in many of Africa's wars. He's dangerous but not a professional. 9 times out of 10 I'm going to go with the Special Operations people than with the unprofessional mercenary fighting for profit.

Zaeed also doesn't even come close to holding a candle to War Hero Shep, who is easily humanity's greatest living warrior.

This is just plain wrong. 

There is no comparison to be made between and N7 operative, and a Blue Suns leader. 

Put it this way, if a Spec Ops went up against a Merc, it would simply depend on who is better. If the Spec Ops was trained in advanced CQC, weapons training, technology expertise, etc, and the Merc was trained in advanced martial arts, advanced weapons training, technology, etc, you're not going to get a winner by default. 

And Zaeed is professional. People wouldn't hire him otherwise. He's taken part of ground wars, special operations, hush up missions, etc etc. 

Yes, Shepard may be a War Hero. He/She may have butchered 150 batarians in a single night on a battlefield. But Zaeed has done that too, without the perks of getting medals and military recognition.

On top of that, Zaeed being Blue Suns is more of the organization he belongs to than the training he received. Hell, Zaeed probably didn't receive any training from the Blue Suns as he started the organization. 

So you can say Alliance training > Blue Suns training, to be more accurate, but that still doesn't really compare an N7 to Massani. Even then, we don't know enough about the training procedures in either organization to make a valid conclusion. 

[The Spamming Troll]

this convo you guys are having about whod kick whose ass is awesome! im actually kindof waiting untill a consensus is drawn from it. it must be a really cool feeling for the devs seeing things like this becasue you guys are getting deep into what makes a character the best. i havent read the books or comics ive just played the game, but heres a list of characters i feel belong on the list....

1. saren - soon to be shepard at the end of ME3
2. shepard - duh
3. wrex - my favorite character in the entire MEuniverse, including when im playing shepard
4. vasir - charge, on an NPC? might as well give her the cain
5. krogan on therum in ME1 - impossible son of a **** to kill
6. tonn actus - fires at me, while sprinting.....backwards. very tough character if your unaware of it
7. legion - geth pimp, no more of an explanation should be needed
8. grunt - pure bred krogan, young but, i did just say "prebred krogan" so........
9. kai leng - no idea who this dude is but whenever i see his name brought up, it seems to perk alot of ears.
10. garrus - batman. period.

everyone else just seems too much of a specific niche type character. miranda(great potential leader, even her passive shows it) and zaeed(human-wrex) would be great assets, thane(extrememly elite, but hes better by himself, then tagging along with me) too, but i feel like everyone else ive listed went above and beyond the regulars.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 03 juillet 2011 - 09:20 .

[vader da slayer]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

this convo you guys are having about whod kick whose ass is awesome! im actually kindof waiting untill a consensus is drawn from it. it must be a really cool feeling for the devs seeing things like this becasue you guys are getting deep into what makes a character the best. i havent read the books or comics ive just played the game, but heres a list of characters i feel belong on the list....

1. saren - soon to be shepard at the end of ME3
2. shepard - duh
3. wrex - my favorite character in the entire MEuniverse, including when im playing shepard
4. vasir - charge, on an NPC? might as well give her the cain
5. krogan on therum in ME1 - impossible son of a **** to kill
6. tonn actus - fires at me, while sprinting.....backwards. very tough character if your unaware of it
7. legion - geth pimp, no more of an explanation should be needed
8. grunt - pure bred krogan, young but, i did just say "prebred krogan" so........
9. kai leng - no idea who this dude is but whenever i see his name brought up, it seems to perk alot of ears.
10. garrus - batman. period.

everyone else just seems too much of a specific niche type character. miranda(great potential leader, even her passive shows it) and zaeed(human-wrex) would be great assets, thane(extrememly elite, but hes better by himself, then tagging along with me) too, but i feel like everyone else ive listed went above and beyond the regulars.

Kai Leng is Cerberus' top wet work (love that phrase) agent. during the events of the Retribution ME book he took down 6 or 7 turian commando's that had boarded a Cerberus science space base. it was him with no combat armor (ie plain clothes) a knife and a pistol vs like I said 6 or 7 turians armed with an assortment of guns and military grade combat armor. also this was all at once not like 1 at a time but all of them vs him and he still won, and save TIM's life, like had Kai Leng been 0.1 seconds slow TIM wouldn't be making an appearance in ME3.

oh and he used to be an Alliance N7 Marine untill he killed a Krogan in a bar fight, with just a knife.

Modifié par vader da slayer, 03 juillet 2011 - 11:56 .

[zweistein_J]

Wrex is the man!

[lukex38]

WREX!!!
but shouldnt this thread be WREX vs GRUNT

[DonDaMon]

lukex38 wrote...

WREX!!!
but shouldnt this thread be WREX vs GRUNT

Wrex would murder Grunt.. Grunt isn't nearly as experienced & he isn't a battlemaster so he doesn't have any biotics.

[Phategod1]

Skarr loss to Anderson and Saren, Wrex helped me Kill Saren, so by the law of averages Wrex should be able to take Skarr.

[stu117]

Wrex>Every other living thing in the ME universe. these are the facts

[sbvera13]

Wrex.

Shepard.

[Dariustwinblade]

Wrex killed a Thresher Maw ON FOOT WHEN HE WAS A TEENAGER! Lol no Krogan in generations has done that. Other than Grunt and he has MUTHAF***ING SHEPARD AND THANE by his side.

100k wrote...

Here's how the danger list goes IMO:
10. Grunt tied with Legion
9. Ashley
8. Miranda
7. Jacob
6. Garrus tied with Thane
5. Aria tied with Vasir (until further evidence)
4. Samara tied with Nihilus
3. Shepard
2. Zaeed tied with Wrex
1. Saren

This is plain wrong Shepard should be at the top no question!


The order should be

War Hero  > Ruthless > Sole Survivour

Vanguard Shepard > Adept Shepard > Sentinal Shepard > Infaltrator Shepard > Engeneer Shepard >=< Soldier Shepard


And why is Miranda above Ash and Jacob above Legion and Grunt. What about Jack and Liara who are also above many char.


1. Shepard (Any)
2. Saren
3. Nihlus, Wrex, Samara, Morith, Aria
4. Zaeed, Liara, Vasir(Liara was equaling her and tore through her henchmen before Shep arrived ) ,Jack (Tore throgh three heavy mech)
5 Garrus, Kaiden, Thane , Grunt, Legion
6 Ashley, Jacob , Miranda

In most cases according to Lore Biotics > Normal ppl. In one on one combat a Vanguard Shepard would tear through the competion via speed blitz charge + shotgun to the face.

Modifié par Dariustwinblade, 04 juillet 2011 - 05:38 .

[100k]

Nah. Saren's currently the best as he beat Shepard in their only one on one, but by ME3 Shepard will easily surpass him. And remember, Saren is not only a War Hero, but Ruthless, and a Sole Survivor all in one.

Ash and Miranda and Jacob are above Legion and Grunt because they can give the same hits without taking any. Jacob is a protagonist which instantly qualifies him. Miranda is like Hanna (2011), and Ash is a prodigy on the battlefield.

Jack and Liara aren't on the list, because Jack is highly emotional and predictable (and unclothed), and Liara is a scientist and broker first, combatant second (no matter how strong her biotics are). Same with Mordin and Tali.

[Dariustwinblade]

Ash could barely handle a couple of sh*tty combat drone.

Miranda isn't a front line soldier. She is as much a soldier as Liara and Jack who are tough suvivours.
Mordin is a better soldier than Miranda.

Jacob bearly has any feats.

Both Liara and Jack have better feats.

Jack tore through heavy mechs and tore through a high security prison wall.

Liara was trained by Asari commandos personally, she slaughtered hords of blue sun merc to get shepards body. Rip through the Shadow broker agents and equal Vasir(a specter) until help arrived. Her PASSIVE biotic aura when angered were strong enough to completely reduce a very large solid steel room into shreds of debri. Her showing in redemption showed she can handle herself quite well.

Grunt is a perfect Krogan enough said.

Legion is a better shot than anyone in the series. Considering the geth Anti-material rifle and his targeting matrix.

Miranda, Ash has nothing supporting their power.

Ash is by far the weakest in the group by feats. Only above Tali. Running from combat drones. Thats shameful.

[100k]

Dariustwinblade wrote...
Ash could barely handle a couple of sh*tty combat drone.

She killed them quickly while retreating from enemy attacks...so...

Miranda isn't a front line soldier. She is as much a soldier as Liara and Jack who are tough suvivours.
Mordin is a better soldier than Miranda.

Like I said, Miranda is the Hanna/femJason Bourne of the ME series. She can probably handle any weapon with Ash-rivalling skill, she is highly trained in biotics, and can easily assess and deconstruct any threat. In other words, she can adapt to most situations with absurd ease. 

Jacob bearly has any feats.

It's spelled "barely". And on top of being a protagonist, Jacob saved the Citadel. Your obvious distain for the character is getting in the way of facts. Please do not pursue it any further.

Both Liara and Jack have better feats.

Jack tore through heavy mechs and tore through a high security prison wall.

 

Proving that she is an incredibly powerful biotic, rivaling the best asari matriarchs in pure strength. But it takes more than raw ability to get onto my list. Intuition, innovation, and training all account for a lot in a straight up death match. Jack is smart, but she's not refined, experienced, or innovative enough to adapt to most situations. 

Liara was trained by Asari commandos personally, she slaughtered hords of blue sun merc to get shepards body. Rip through the Shadow broker agents and equal Vasir(a specter) until help arrived. Her PASSIVE biotic aura when angered were strong enough to completely reduce a very large solid steel room into shreds of debri. Her showing in redemption showed she can handle herself quite well.

I didn't know Liara was trained by Asari commandos, I'll need a link to this. Also, she isn't equal to Vasir. Vasir was retreating from her, because she didn't want to face Liara (very dangerous), Shepard (a war god/goddess), + two specialists of rivaling skill. Can you blame her? 

Grunt is a perfect Krogan enough said.

Which is why he's on my list. He's got the genetic-memory to deconstruct any threat in a similar fashion to Miranda, however, unlike Miranda (who has speed, small size advantage, and biotics) he's just a heavy hitter. Shoot your enemy in the weak spot. If they survive, shoot them again. That's sort of his motto. 

Legion is a better shot than anyone in the series. Considering the geth Anti-material rifle and his targeting matrix.

We don't know how good of a shot he is in comparison to Shepard, Garrus or Thane with a sniper rifle. He is a great shot, and I'd be the first to admit it. But it takes more than logic to anticipate the actions and patterns of organic life (and Legion admitted this). 

Miranda, Ash has nothing supporting their power. Ash is by far the weakest in the group by feats. Only above Tali. Running from combat drones. Thats shameful.

Ash made Spectre status. That instantly qualifies her to be better than many people. Both of them have stellar experience as combatants, leaders, innovators, and soldiers. 

Tali, Kasumi, and Mordin have a different kind of combat style that doesn't really work as a head on assault. To support this statement, look at their ME2 dossiers. Tali is stated as being better at finding innovative solutions to problems than simply gunning someone down. Kasumi prefers stealth and infiltration to raw gunning, and Mordin is a Salarian savant, with similar traits as Tali. 

I didn't choose this list lightly people. I really thought about what it takes to make a character tick.

I probably could've made Miranda equal to Ash, but I thought that her biotics gave her a natural (and non weapon-tied) edge.

I could've put Grunt in 5th place, but when you think about the value of being able to scramble to cover, dodge oncoming attacks, and experience of in-field combat--along with a general attitude, it becomes fairly obvious that he's at a very slight disadvantage.

I could've put Shepard first. But then I thought about his tangle with Vasir and Saren in one on one combat. Vasir got the upper hand in a split situation moment of luck (or maybe skill), but she definitely came out better. Saren exploited Shepard's momentary lapse in attention to almost strangle him/her, and is defeated when Shepard teams up with two expert professionals. 

Obviously I feel that the top 3 have the hardest time offing each other in one on one combat. Zaeed and Wrex have not only training, but the raw instincts and plethora of experience that comes with being 45 and 400 years old. In the end, I tied Zaeed with Shepard, because I forgot how age can work against humans. A bad hit from Shepard could do some real physical damage to Zaeed, simply on the basis of his age. Wrex is smart, strong, and experienced, but he's also got the size problem that Grunt has. 

[azerSheppard]

sbvera13 wrote...

Wrex.

Shepard.

[Stanley Woo]

No vs. threads here, please. Thank you.

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