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The way DA2 handles characters >>>>> the way DAO handles them......


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DreGregoire wrote...

ipgd wrote...

DreGregoire wrote...

I feel that they are not because of the huge climatic event that happens.

These changes are thoroughly indicated before that huge, climactic event.

Furthermore, those changes... are the entire reason that climactic event happens.


I always got the impression that Anders planned that all from the very beginning. I believe it's the reason he went to Kirkwall in the first place. I don't believe that the changes have any bearing on that event. :)


I think he went to Kirkwall to genuinely try to help the mages in Kirkwall which seems to be one of the more strictly controlled circles in Thedas and is close to Ferelden.  Not to [SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER] the [SPOILER] with the {SPOILER SPOILER] on a [SPOILER].  It doesn't make any sense if he was planning the gigantmo spoiler unless he could see the future or 90% of Varric's story is BS and Cassandra's original assumptions were correct about how everything went bonkers.

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Mr.House wrote...

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Varric you mean the lier?HA your funny but really Varric come on this dude get his ass handed to him by his own brother got in trouble and had the nerve to be a filthy lier and his better?tell me another joke


Did you play the same game?


I often ask myself that very question.......hasn't stopped since release day. Actually, the bashing started way earlier. :?

DA2 bashing started when DA2 was announced, I should know, I was one of the bashers :o


I was very critical of it too. Didn't like the trailers and most of the release info until about.....December 2010. But I just ignored it and played DAO/other games instead.

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DreGregoire wrote...

Conversations with Anders/Justice.


You mean the ones where he explains why he's there and doesn't talk about it?

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DreGregoire wrote...

Conversations with Anders/Justice.

Which ones? Quotes. Context.

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Persephone wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

samtoswarden wrote...

Varric you mean the lier?HA your funny but really Varric come on this dude get his ass handed to him by his own brother got in trouble and had the nerve to be a filthy lier and his better?tell me another joke


Did you play the same game?


I often ask myself that very question.......hasn't stopped since release day. Actually, the bashing started way earlier. :?

DA2 bashing started when DA2 was announced, I should know, I was one of the bashers :o


I was very critical of it too. Didn't like the trailers and most of the release info until about.....December 2010. But I just ignored it and played DAO/other games instead.

Same, I only got excited for DA2 one month before it came out after I played the demo, read the short stories, watched both livetreams from Mike, watched leak gameplay and read the massive spoiler thread. I still preorded it to get the SE but I was not expecting much.

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lv12medic wrote...

 It doesn't make any sense if he was planning the gigantmo spoiler unless he could see the future or 90% of Varric's story is BS and Cassandra's original assumptions were correct about how everything went bonkers.


Conspiracy Theories! Truly isn't that what it's all about? LOL. Actually though Cassandra's assumptions were about the whole as a group; whereas, it's really just about Anders/Justice. :) Oh and those pesky mage and templar leaders.

Modifié par DreGregoire, 03 juillet 2011 - 12:33 .


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Mr.House wrote...

DA2 bashing started when DA2 was announced, I should know, I was one of the bashers :o


Bah, you were late. It started before the game was announced.

Wait...what is this thread about? Posted Image

Needs less >>>> maybe.

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No spoiler forum people. LOL. I really have to go maybe if you start a (oops deleted the non part :)) spoiler thread about it I might have the time tomorrow to pick apart each conversation I had with Justice/Anders, but I would much rather be doing something else. Basically it's more about how he warns Hawke away from the start, but that isn't the only conversation that made me go hmmm... What is this being up to? :) It was kind of fun pretending to be a clueless Hawke though :)

Modifié par DreGregoire, 03 juillet 2011 - 12:41 .


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Then PM it to me and/or ipgd, lv12medic.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 03 juillet 2011 - 12:34 .


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DreGregoire wrote...

Basically it's more about how he warns Hawke away from the start, but that isn't the only conversation that made me go hmmm... What is this being up to? :)

Anders explicitly explains that he is warning Hawke away because he perceives himself as dangerous and an abomination (in both senses). I don't believe Anders is lying because when he genuinely lies later in the game he is awful at it.

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Please, don't bring it to PMs, this is fascinating. 

DreGregoire, it would be great if you actually made a thread about in spoiler section tomorrow stating you reasons :)
 

Modifié par Xalen, 03 juillet 2011 - 12:46 .


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Xalen wrote...

Please, don't bring it to PMs, this is fascinating. 

DreGregoire, it would be great if you actually made a thread about in spoiler section tomorrow stating you reasons :)
 


This, taking it to the spoiler forum would be ideal.

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Morroian wrote...

Xalen wrote...

Please, don't bring it to PMs, this is fascinating. 

DreGregoire, it would be great if you actually made a thread about in spoiler section tomorrow stating you reasons :)
 


This, taking it to the spoiler forum would be ideal.


Agreed. One of the most interesting discussions we've had since DAII came out. :happy:

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Persephone wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Xalen wrote...

Please, don't bring it to PMs, this is fascinating. 

DreGregoire, it would be great if you actually made a thread about in spoiler section tomorrow stating you reasons :)
 


This, taking it to the spoiler forum would be ideal.


Agreed. One of the most interesting discussions we've had since DAII came out. :happy:


Yes, and it would prevent people like me, who didn't like the game and don't have it registered from taking part in the discussion.

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sleepyowlet wrote...

Yes, and it would prevent people like me, who didn't like the game and don't have it registered from taking part in the discussion.

Is there a downside?

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Regarding characters: DAII SHOWS, DAO just TELLS.


Agree with this. Regardless of the writing quality, having active as opposed to passive characters is very much the right way for Bioware to take things. Ofc, DAO had an active character as well - Morrigan.

Modifié par DaveExclamationMarkYognaut, 03 juillet 2011 - 11:00 .


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ipgd wrote...

sleepyowlet wrote...

Yes, and it would prevent people like me, who didn't like the game and don't have it registered from taking part in the discussion.

Is there a downside?


Yes there is. But it is hard to see it from up there. Get off your high horse first.

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The structure of the narrative was radically different so naturally the methods of chacterisation are different. I wouldn't privilege one style over the other.

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ipgd wrote...

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Yes, and it would prevent people like me, who didn't like the game and don't have it registered from taking part in the discussion.

Is there a downside?


I would say that seeing more people like you having exclusivity to any discussion on the forums makes a pretty strong case in favour of there being a downside, in fact.

Modifié par Jabba L4, 04 juillet 2011 - 09:34 .


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Let me see if I understand this correctly.
We want to to have a discussion that will most certainly include a great deal of spoilers. Therefore I offered to take it to spoiler section (you know, the appropriate place to have such a discussion).

So...you have a problem with not discussing spoilerific topics in non-spoiler forums?

Ahhh, now I get it...oh wait, I don't.

Modifié par Xalen, 04 juillet 2011 - 10:12 .


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^^^
As always there is this one simple very effective solution if you can't get it.
Stop reading/posting in a thread you don't like.
Bam! Problem solved.

You can also make a thread by yourself in the spoliers section if you really want to, no one is holding you here.

Modifié par xkg, 04 juillet 2011 - 10:56 .


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Xalen wrote...

Let me see if I understand this correctly.
We want to to have a discussion that will most certainly include a great deal of spoilers. Therefore I offered to take it to spoiler section (you know, the appropriate place to have such a discussion).

So...you have a problem with not discussing spoilerific topics in non-spoiler forums?

Ahhh, now I get it...oh wait, I don't.


*sigh*
You have to have the game registered if you want to take part in discussions in the spoiler section. I rented the game and returned it, so I don't have it registered (well, actually, registering games is just one of these things I don't do in general), so I get locked out of these discussions. So yes, I have a problem with it moving to a place I don't have access to.

Got it now?

But you have to hand it to the admins... limiting that section to those with the game registered (meaning those who are more likely to like the game) is a pretty neat way of cutting down on the uncomfortable criticism thing...

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yes, it's all a big conspiracy against those who didn't like the game

I get that you want to participate in the discussion but can't because you rented the game, and I'm really sorry, because it would be interesting to hear as many different opinions as possible.
But complaining about bringing a spoiler topic to spoiler section because you don't have the game registered is kind of pointless. Since, you know, we can't discuss spoilers in this forum even if we really, really want to.
Those are the rules of the forum, you and me can like them or not, but it won't change anything.

But since DreGregoire hasn't started a topic yet, arguing about this matter any further makes no sense.

Modifié par Xalen, 04 juillet 2011 - 12:16 .


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@ sleepyowlet:
If you really care so much about talking in registered users forum :

1 - Click "My Games" -> "Register Game"
2 - Choose PS3 game
3 - Enter this UPC code : 014633195286

Voila ! You have now Dragon Age 2 registered and you can post everywhere.

Oh and don't be affraid. This is perfectly legal - confiremd by the moderator here on BSN.

Modifié par xkg, 04 juillet 2011 - 01:27 .