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[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

I am honestly sick of the whole "emotions interfering with job = OMIGAWSH SO DEAP!!!1!!" thing. I don't want Mass Effect: Other M.

However,

Siansonea II wrote...

a zen/acceptance moment

Is an awesome idea. Something you generally wouldn't see in a video game.

Modifié par DaveExclamationMarkYognaut, 02 juillet 2011 - 06:47 .

[Mister Mida]

Shepard has been a brick for almost the entire ride. LotSB being one of the (few) exceptions. I'm not expecting much in ME3, but if we get something, just something, I would welcome it gladly.

EDIT: but it shouldn't be forced. If Bioware really doesn't know how to do it right, don't bother.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 02 juillet 2011 - 07:49 .

[Dexi]

AwesomeName wrote...

I expect Shepard to be brought close to breaking point in ME3. Considering the situation - armageddon, and potentially the first time it has ever been stopped - I'll be very dissappointed if this doesn't happen.

You might be disappointed, but story wise, nobody in the Milky Way will be.

People don't understand it that crying like a baby doesn't mean a deeper story. It's makes it superficial, because you people never actually been where you want Shepard to go, emotionally, to know that a person which such a great burden, even though it would sound otherwise, does not have time nor a chance from the tough situation he's in to sit down and cry.

People who whine and lament halfway through there are loosers. Not because it makes them uncool, but because, psychologically, if you let all that stuff crawl under your skin and affect you, you'll fall. The moment you shed tears is the moment you admit to yourself and to the rest of the world that your strength is done.

I'm not against Shepard being a bit more emotional. But don't ask for crybabies...

If you have no idea how to deal and go through really rough ****, then shut about it. It doesn't work the way you think.  

Modifié par Dexi, 02 juillet 2011 - 07:17 .

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

Dexi wrote...

People don't understand it that crying like a baby doesn't mean a deeper story.

Truth. But it isn't necessarily inconsistent with a deep story - see also: the Oddyssey. I just don't think they'll be able to handle this sort of thing effectively in this sort of story - Mass Effect really isn't about "big emotions" the same way that the Oddyssey is.

[Lumikki]

No, I don't want any emotions.

[Siansonea]

Well, if I ever wondered about the emotional maturity of folks around here, this thread would be the perfect place to satisfy that curiosity. I'd like to see how the lot of you would react if you were actually confronted with a difficult situation. The macho BS "stone cold" approach is simply cultural conditioning, if something horrific actually happened to you kids, you'd bawl like a newborn—and that would be perfectly appropriate.

Really, the idea that crying=weakness is one of the silliest fallacies there is. Thank you, social conditioning.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Siansonea II wrote...

Well, if I ever wondered about the emotional maturity of folks around here, this thread would be the perfect place to satisfy that curiosity. I'd like to see how the lot of you would react if you were actually confronted with a difficult situation. The macho BS "stone cold" approach is simply cultural conditioning, if something horrific actually happened to you kids, you'd bawl like a newborn—and that would be perfectly appropriate.

Really, the idea that crying=weakness is one of the silliest fallacies there is. Thank you, social conditioning.

I love you.

[Mr.House]

Lumikki wrote...

No, I don't want any emotions.

[Zkyire]

Siansonea II wrote...

Well, if I ever wondered about the emotional maturity of folks around here, this thread would be the perfect place to satisfy that curiosity. I'd like to see how the lot of you would react if you were actually confronted with a difficult situation. The macho BS "stone cold" approach is simply cultural conditioning, if something horrific actually happened to you kids, you'd bawl like a newborn—and that would be perfectly appropriate.

Really, the idea that crying=weakness is one of the silliest fallacies there is. Thank you, social conditioning.

Well it's certainly not a strength.

It serves no practical purpose.

And if Shepard has enough mental fortitude to resist crying then what? He/she should cry regardless?

Modifié par IEatWhatIPoo, 02 juillet 2011 - 08:04 .

[KillTheLastRomantic]

The paragon/renegade interrupts were a step in this direction. I also really appreciated the drink with Dr. Chakwas and hope there are more personal moments like that in 3. The squadmates never really seem to give a **** how Shepard is doing.

As for Liara in LOtSB I remember being vaguely worried that I'd somehow been ninjamanced by Liara or something then finding out what I got was just the friendship scene so I didn't enjoy that as much as I could have, I'll have to youtube it.

[blothulfur]

Nothing wrong with stoicism, not everybody wants to be openly crying and bawling every five minutes and my Shep dug himself out of the crater that held his entire family as a kid and massacred every man, woman and child he could find on Torfan so I don't think there's much that could phase him.

Plus the show of restraining emotion is much more effective, a little catch in the voice, a tensed fist or a look down at the ground while a sad piece of music plays can hint at much more tension than open weeping and would please both camps.

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

Siansonea II wrote...
Really, the idea that crying=weakness is one of the silliest fallacies there is. Thank you, social conditioning.

Well, crying is hardly weakness (see also: the Oddyssey.) It's just massively out of tone for Mass Effect, which is a fun, slightly silly space adventure. And it is hardly likely to be handled well - "crying as TEH DEAP CHARACTREZASHUN" generally isn't.

Modifié par DaveExclamationMarkYognaut, 02 juillet 2011 - 08:05 .

[Blitzkrieg0811]

Ah yes, "emotions". The biochemical reactions in the brain supposedly buried deep inside Shepard. We have dismissed that claim.

But on a more serious note, no, I don't want my Shep to become more angsty than he already is. Keep in mind that Gordon Freeman is in a great franchise and he doesn't say a damn thing.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Siansonea II wrote...

Well, if I ever wondered about the emotional maturity of folks around here, this thread would be the perfect place to satisfy that curiosity. I'd like to see how the lot of you would react if you were actually confronted with a difficult situation. The macho BS "stone cold" approach is simply cultural conditioning, if something horrific actually happened to you kids, you'd bawl like a newborn—and that would be perfectly appropriate.

Really, the idea that crying=weakness is one of the silliest fallacies there is. Thank you, social conditioning.

This.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

blothulfur wrote...

Nothing wrong with stoicism, not everybody wants to be openly crying and bawling every five minutes and my Shep dug himself out of the crater that held his entire family as a kid and massacred every man, woman and child he could find on Torfan so I don't think there's much that could phase him.

Plus the show of restraining emotion is much more effective, a little catch in the voice, a tensed fist or a look down at the ground while a sad piece of music plays can hint at much more tension than open weeping and would please both camps.

I can understand why a 'cry' function would be a little silly but at a few moments in ME1 and 2 I thought there should have been an optional grief type scene i.e. after Virmire there would be a selectable memorial photo of whoever you left behind which triggers Shepard to have an introspective booze up, off the top of my head. The Arrival thing aswell, Shepard didn't that bothered about killing several hundred thousand people.

[rft]

Ya it would be nice to see him shead a tear or two. It is kind of weird that a man who see his friends die doesn't even cry. Even if he is a soldier. I am though expecting him to shead a tear in ME3.

[blothulfur]

Yeah my shep should really have been doing his happy dance after arrival.

[VegasVance]

My Shep ain't a b*tch. He held off attacks where everyone else died, lost friends and family alike. He galvanizes that pain to make him into a better soldier and shove his boot further in reaper arse.

[Zkyire]

AwesomeName wrote...

I expect Shepard to be brought close to breaking point in ME3. Considering the situation - armageddon, and potentially the first time it has ever been stopped - I'll be very dissappointed if this doesn't happen. Every bit of training and experience Shepard has had should be fully tested and pushed to the limit in this game.

Take LOTR for example; it would've been anti-climactic if Frodo had just strolled up the hill, whistling. Showing the physical and emotional struggle in that scene really sold the difficulty and danger of the situation.

Frodo is a Hobbit.

Shepard is a special-forces trained soldier.


Why are people saying Shepard "should" be at breaking point, and Shepard "should" cry etc?

Maybe Shepard is tougher than you guys give him/her credit for?

In this game, you play as Commander Shepard, but just because you are controlling him/her; doesn't mean the character Shepard reacts the way you would.

Just because you would break out in tears at the sight of death doesn't mean that Commander Shepard would/should/will.

[Faerlyte]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Well, if I ever wondered about the emotional maturity of folks around here, this thread would be the perfect place to satisfy that curiosity. I'd like to see how the lot of you would react if you were actually confronted with a difficult situation. The macho BS "stone cold" approach is simply cultural conditioning, if something horrific actually happened to you kids, you'd bawl like a newborn—and that would be perfectly appropriate.

Really, the idea that crying=weakness is one of the silliest fallacies there is. Thank you, social conditioning.

Well it's certainly not a strength.

It serves no practical purpose.

And if Shepard has enough mental fortitude to resist crying then what? He/she should cry regardless?

Yes it does. It's called stress relief and in stressful situations it can help focus your willpower rather than distract  it. There's no arguing that females tend more towards this stress relief valve than males do, however, don't insult me by insinuating that crying demonstrates a lack of mental fortitude. A strong person does what must be done without sacrificing their empathy to do it.

As Mark Twain put it, "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear." Not crying doesn't indicate stronger mental fortitude anymore than a lack of fear makes you couragous.

[Destroy Raiden_]

AwesomeName wrote...

I expect Shepard to be brought close to breaking point in ME3. Considering the situation - armageddon, and potentially the first time it has ever been stopped - I'll be very dissappointed if this doesn't happen. Every bit of training and experience Shepard has had should be fully tested and pushed to the limit in this game.

Take LOTR for example; it would've been anti-climactic if Frodo had just strolled up the hill, whistling. Showing the physical and emotional struggle in that scene really sold the difficulty and danger of the situation.

Exactly I agree shep should be pushed till breaking and in some area's over it! One of the more powerful LOTR moments was when Frodo held the ring upto a dragon riding Wreath and the look on his face...so tired, so drained, he was begging the creature to just take the ring and make his hell stop. I hope in 3 shep experiences something similar where he is in a metaphorical sense starring into an abyss and is either going to jump into it or pull away from it and gain his sanity back.

[REgentleman]

lilco wrote...

I'd like to see femshep shed a tear or two when her LI dies.

I bet feminists would hate it though.

:|

That'd be odd of them, I know I'd do more than shed a lone, righteous tear if a girlfriend of mine died.

Having depression (cue skipping over this post), I'm a bit painfully aware how insecurity and anxiety can dig at you, and even if I don't choose to have my Buzz Lightyear of a manshep break down and lose it for a second, I'd love the option.

Thinking about my renegade femShep's closing scene in LotSB, even though I'd chosen the less sentimentalist "I'm just tired of these idiots giving me crap" line, it kicked in that Shepard had a lot of freakin people that doubted and hated her, to the point where just about anybody would be a little scared- "no man knowingly commits evil" and all that. I think the restrained, almost timid "Goodbye, Liara" closer was great for her character.

I'm all for Iron Woobies, but if it's never acknowledged at all that life is kind of being a bastard to them, I feel like something is lost. If one of Shepard's worst fears is coming to life with earth under fire and civilization scrambling for cover from the Reaper threat, I'd expect Shepard to show at least some insecurity or anxiety- or that if they just went on about their daily routine never worrying about it, that they didn't really completely understand how big a deal it all is.