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[Zkyire]

Faerlyte wrote...

Yes it does. It's called stress relief and in stressful situations it can help focus your willpower rather than distract it.

Proof?

There's no arguing that females tend more towards this stress relief valve than males do, however, don't insult me by insinuating that crying demonstrates a lack of mental fortitude.

Person A is sad, becomes overwhelmed by this sense of sadness and cries.

Person B is sad, but is able to resist the sadness so it doesn't over power him/her and ends up not crying, then gets on with his/her day despite this sense of sadness. That is increased mental fortitude.

strong person does what must be done without sacrificing their empathy to do it. As Mark Twain put it, "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -
not absence of fear." Not crying doesn't indicate stronger mental
fortitude anymore than a lack of fear makes you couragous.

I never said Shepard was devoid of emotion, I said Shepard was strong enough to not get overwhelmed by it.

Modifié par IEatWhatIPoo, 02 juillet 2011 - 08:44 .

[BatmanPWNS]

Well he kind of shows emotion when someone dies on the Omega 4 Relay mission.

[Leoism]

No-one is completely immune to emotional behaviour, and sometimes getting it out will release it from the system and make one stronger in the long run

[Gterror]

Buther of Torfan aka Renegade Shepard (for me) feels like that world doesnt give ****ing anything if you don't earn it the hard way,be more aggresive on other ppl and show that "my opinion is what ****ing matters".

Paragon Shepard is that goody goody guy who wants to be nice to everyone.That is not how the things work.No one will take you seriously and respect you if you don't show whos in charge here.

Shepard does have emotions in-game tho for paragons, but i would like to see more emotions for renegade shepard too(renegade interruptions covers that, but i would like see those emotions in dialogue as well).

Modifié par Gterror, 02 juillet 2011 - 08:52 .

[REgentleman]

Dexi wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

I expect Shepard to be brought close to breaking point in ME3. Considering the situation - armageddon, and potentially the first time it has ever been stopped - I'll be very dissappointed if this doesn't happen.

You might be disappointed, but story wise, nobody in the Milky Way will be.

People don't understand it that crying like a baby doesn't mean a deeper story. It's makes it superficial, because you people never actually been where you want Shepard to go, emotionally, to know that a person which such a great burden, even though it would sound otherwise, does not have time nor a chance from the tough situation he's in to sit down and cry.

People who whine and lament halfway through there are loosers. Not because it makes them uncool, but because, psychologically, if you let all that stuff crawl under your skin and affect you, you'll fall. The moment you shed tears is the moment you admit to yourself and to the rest of the world that your strength is done.

I'm not against Shepard being a bit more emotional. But don't ask for crybabies...

If you have no idea how to deal and go through really rough ****, then shut about it. It doesn't work the way you think.  

IIRC isn't it physically impossible to cry unless you're thinking about something that really gets you into such an emotional state that your body makes you cry about it? Not that crying can't be used as a cheap ploy for attention or misrepresented, but if I've heard right, crying is literally impossible to trigger spontaneously or to completely suppress- one might not draw attention to it,  or try to "use" that sadness to appear to cry for something they aren't, but if you're actually feeling that bad, something forces its way out no matter what.

A total river shouldn't be necessary (though possibly should be optional!), but I don't think crying itself should detract from Shepard's ability that much; you tend to feel somewhat refreshed after normal cries, anyway.

Modifié par REgentleman, 02 juillet 2011 - 08:55 .

[Siansonea]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Well, if I ever wondered about the emotional maturity of folks around here, this thread would be the perfect place to satisfy that curiosity. I'd like to see how the lot of you would react if you were actually confronted with a difficult situation. The macho BS "stone cold" approach is simply cultural conditioning, if something horrific actually happened to you kids, you'd bawl like a newborn—and that would be perfectly appropriate.

Really, the idea that crying=weakness is one of the silliest fallacies there is. Thank you, social conditioning.

Well it's certainly not a strength.

It serves no practical purpose.

And if Shepard has enough mental fortitude to resist crying then what? He/she should cry regardless?

*looks at username and profile picture*

The prosecution rests, Your Honor.

[EsterCloat]

[quote]IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

[quote]Faerlyte wrote...

Yes it does. It's called stress relief and in stressful situations it can help focus your willpower rather than distract it. [/quote]

Proof?[/quote]

Sigh.

[quote]
[quote]There's no arguing that females tend more towards this stress relief valve than males do, however, don't insult me by insinuating that crying demonstrates a lack of mental fortitude.[/quote]

Person A is sad, becomes overwhelmed by this sense of sadness and cries.

Person B is sad, but is able to resist the sadness so it doesn't over power him/her and ends up not crying, then gets on with his/her day despite this sense of sadness. That is increased mental fortitude.[/quote]


Person A is sad and becomes overwhelmed by this sense of sadness and cries. After five minutes of getting these emotions out, they get up, wipe away the tears and face their duty with a renewed mentality. Nothing is lost besides the overwhelming emotion and stress.

PersonB is sad but refuses to show sadness and ends up not crying, then gets on with his/her day despite
this sense of sadness. Goes on the rest of their mission with this overboding sadness when they could have let it out. This is NOT mental fortitude.

[quote][quote]strong person does what must be done without sacrificing their empathy to do it. As Mark Twain put it, "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -
not absence of fear." Not crying doesn't indicate stronger mental
fortitude anymore than a lack of fear makes you couragous. [/quote]

I never said Shepard was devoid of emotion, I said Shepard was strong enough to not get overwhelmed by it.[/quote]

Earth is burning. The birth place of humanity is overrun by the death machines he's tried through two games to warn about with negligible effect. If having the Normandy being grounded causes Shepard to sit on the ground defeated yet shows nothing when the Earth is basically gone then there's some serious problems going on there.

[/quote]

Modifié par EsterCloat, 02 juillet 2011 - 09:04 .

[REgentleman]

^Although that might be interesting, too- Shepard in shock, being wide-eyed mindscrewed, and then strangely emotionless for the rest of the game would be a cool way to RP it Thousand-yard stare and all.

Modifié par REgentleman, 02 juillet 2011 - 09:11 .

[Zkyire]

Siansonea II wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Well, if I ever wondered about the emotional maturity of folks around here, this thread would be the perfect place to satisfy that curiosity. I'd like to see how the lot of you would react if you were actually confronted with a difficult situation. The macho BS "stone cold" approach is simply cultural conditioning, if something horrific actually happened to you kids, you'd bawl like a newborn—and that would be perfectly appropriate.

Really, the idea that crying=weakness is one of the silliest fallacies there is. Thank you, social conditioning.

Well it's certainly not a strength.

It serves no practical purpose.

And if Shepard has enough mental fortitude to resist crying then what? He/she should cry regardless?

*looks at username and profile picture*

The prosecution rests, Your Honor.

Seriously? I get that line every couple of days.

"omg ur usrn4me totes  unvaledayts evryfing u sed lul"

[VegasVance]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Well, if I ever wondered about the emotional maturity of folks around here, this thread would be the perfect place to satisfy that curiosity. I'd like to see how the lot of you would react if you were actually confronted with a difficult situation. The macho BS "stone cold" approach is simply cultural conditioning, if something horrific actually happened to you kids, you'd bawl like a newborn—and that would be perfectly appropriate.

Really, the idea that crying=weakness is one of the silliest fallacies there is. Thank you, social conditioning.

Well it's certainly not a strength.

It serves no practical purpose.

And if Shepard has enough mental fortitude to resist crying then what? He/she should cry regardless?

*looks at username and profile picture*

The prosecution rests, Your Honor.

Seriously? I get that line every couple of days.

"omg ur usrn4me totes  unvaledayts evryfing u sed lul"

Stop eatin' the poop. 

[Zkyire]

EsterCloat wrote...

Sigh.

I'm willing to accept it's possible then.

EsterCloat wrote...

Person A is sad and becomes overwhelmed by this sense of sadness and cries. After five minutes of getting these emotions out, they get up, wipe away the tears and face their duty with a renewed mentality. Nothing is lost besides the overwhelming emotion and stress.

PersonB is sad but refuses to show sadness and ends up not crying, then gets on with his/her day despite
this sense of sadness. Goes on the rest of their mission with this overboding sadness when they could have let it out. This is NOT mental fortitude.

No proof here just your opinion vs mine.

EsterCloat wrote...
Earth is burning. The birth place of humanity is overrun by the death machines he's tried through two games to warn about with negligible effect. If having the Normandy being grounded causes Shepard to sit on the ground defeated yet shows nothing when the Earth is basically gone then there's some serious problems going on there.

I'll give you that.

Modifié par IEatWhatIPoo, 02 juillet 2011 - 09:17 .

[Raiil]

alihou wrote...

Okay, we all know Shepard is a bad ass and the epitome of a mans man... Do you want to see Shepard's more emotional side in ME3? Perhaps even seeing him shed a tear? We really haven't seen him vulnerable or breakdown as often... he deals with so much and he obviously needs to express his emotions... I think it can progress his character even further and will give the player a more satisfying experience...To understand Shepard fully, we need to see a whole range of his emotions. However we consistently see a few of them...Does Shepard get sad? Angry? Depressed?... What do you guys think? Any ideas? Maybe the LI can bring out a side of Shepard we haven't seen yet that doesn't involve sex? 

Does that mean femshep is the epitome of a woman's woman? <_<

I don't need tears; being able to vent frustration would be nice from time to time, and moments of 'softness' - not epic self-doubt, mind- is fine. But Shepard doesn't need to have a nervous breakdown.

Or, as was said in a certain fantasy series: Tears are for after; they just waste time before. You can headcanon Shepard having a moment of struggle or whatnot, but for a lot of people, it breaks immersion.

Modifié par Valentia X, 02 juillet 2011 - 09:19 .

[Siansonea]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Well, if I ever wondered about the emotional maturity of folks around here, this thread would be the perfect place to satisfy that curiosity. I'd like to see how the lot of you would react if you were actually confronted with a difficult situation. The macho BS "stone cold" approach is simply cultural conditioning, if something horrific actually happened to you kids, you'd bawl like a newborn—and that would be perfectly appropriate.

Really, the idea that crying=weakness is one of the silliest fallacies there is. Thank you, social conditioning.

Well it's certainly not a strength.

It serves no practical purpose.

And if Shepard has enough mental fortitude to resist crying then what? He/she should cry regardless?

*looks at username and profile picture*

The prosecution rests, Your Honor.

Seriously? I get that line every couple of days.

"omg ur usrn4me totes  unvaledayts evryfing u sed lul"

And? It does.

Pro tip: If you want to be taken seriously, don't take on a name that is intrinsically silly. If you present yourself as a clown, you will be treated as a clown. Don't be surprised when it happens. Seriously, we don't have much to go on around here to evaluate each other, and the username and profile photo are the two strongest indicators of character. Something to think about...

[Zkyire]

Siansonea II wrote...

And? It does.

Pro tip: If you want to be taken seriously, don't take on a name that is intrinsically silly. If you present yourself as a clown, you will be treated as a clown. Don't be surprised when it happens. Seriously, we don't have much to go on around here to evaluate each other, and the username and profile photo are the two strongest indicators of character. Something to think about...

Again I have to explain this.

My brother set up this account.

He used to use it.

Now he does not.

Now I use it.

I didn't pick the name. He did.

Besides, I would have thought the content of the posts themselves would be what matters, not the display pic.

But hey, whatever.

[VegasVance]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

And? It does.

Pro tip: If you want to be taken seriously, don't take on a name that is intrinsically silly. If you present yourself as a clown, you will be treated as a clown. Don't be surprised when it happens. Seriously, we don't have much to go on around here to evaluate each other, and the username and profile photo are the two strongest indicators of character. Something to think about...

Again I have to explain this.

My brother set up this account.

He used to use it.

Now he does not.

Now I use it.

I didn't pick the name. He did.

Besides, I would have thought the content of the posts themselves would be what matters, not the display pic.

But hey, whatever.

You know with all that time you spend replies to posts like these you could of made a new account and saved 15% by switching to Geico. 

[Saberchic]

Valentia X wrote...

alihou wrote...

Okay, we all know Shepard is a bad ass and the epitome of a mans man... Do you want to see Shepard's more emotional side in ME3? Perhaps even seeing him shed a tear? We really haven't seen him vulnerable or breakdown as often... he deals with so much and he obviously needs to express his emotions... I think it can progress his character even further and will give the player a more satisfying experience...To understand Shepard fully, we need to see a whole range of his emotions. However we consistently see a few of them...Does Shepard get sad? Angry? Depressed?... What do you guys think? Any ideas? Maybe the LI can bring out a side of Shepard we haven't seen yet that doesn't involve sex? 

Does that mean femshep is the epitome of a woman's woman? <_<

I don't need tears; being able to vent frustration would be nice from time to time, and moments of 'softness' - not epic self-doubt, mind- is fine. But Shepard doesn't need to have a nervous breakdown.

Or, as was said in a certain fantasy series: Tears are for after; they just waste[/i] time before. You can headcanon Shepard having a moment of struggle or whatnot, but for a lot of people, it breaks immersion.

I so agree with this.

Why is it that people need BW to show every frickin' thing Shep does? The pace of the game would slow down with all this "we need to have a moment for Shep to explore what's going on here" and "oh! That was a particularly devastating decision! Shep should totally lose it there."

Let it happen in your head! I know a lot of things happen off-screen for any of my Sheps whether they be Renegade or Paragon. I like the occassional chance to show my frustration or happiness, but I don't want my game bogged down with it.

[Zkyire]

VegasVance wrote...

You know with all that time you spend replies to posts like these you could of made a new account and saved 15% by switching to Geico. 

All the games are linked to this account.

Can I link them to another while this is still active?

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

REgentleman wrote...

I'm all for Iron Woobies, but if it's never acknowledged at all that life is kind of being a bastard to them, I feel like something is lost. If one of Shepard's worst fears is coming to life with earth under fire and civilization scrambling for cover from the Reaper threat, I'd expect Shepard to show at least some insecurity or anxiety- or that if they just went on about their daily routine never worrying about it, that they didn't really completely understand how big a deal it all is.

Shepard =/= a woobie of any kind. Seriously, people, WTF? I'm all for characters showing emotion, but make sure it makes sense tonally in the game you're playing. That would be like Leia crying in Star Wars when Alderaan gets blown up.

[AngelicMachinery]

If Shepard cries she'll rust!

[VegasVance]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

VegasVance wrote...

You know with all that time you spend replies to posts like these you could of made a new account and saved 15% by switching to Geico. 

All the games are linked to this account.

Can I link them to another while this is still active?

I don't know, couldn't hurt to try and what is the worst that could happen?  People don't know what games you've owned?

[Zkyire]

VegasVance wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

VegasVance wrote...

You know with all that time you spend replies to posts like these you could of made a new account and saved 15% by switching to Geico. 

All the games are linked to this account.

Can I link them to another while this is still active?

I don't know, couldn't hurt to try and what is the worst that could happen?  People don't know what games you've owned?

Then people will dismiss me as a troll who has no registered games if I ever say anything they disagree with.

It'll be just replacing one problem with another.