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[REgentleman]

@E.A. (teehee):
Well, certainly you can lie about what you're crying about, or it might be a lot harder for actors to cry on demand, but there's still something there that's making you cry when you focus on it. Even if one could do it on command, I doubt they would just will themselves to it, they'd be going through their own little grief process right in front of us. And I don't doubt you can make the crying slow down or stop early somehow, bu I think the impulse is still there, which I might argue is proved a bit by the fact that it has to be consciously suppressed. Which I might argue isn't the best way to go, but is different for a lot of people, so I may have to give you that.


@Dave:
Being a woobie doesn't speak to your ability necessarily, it just means you get loooooots of crap. I think we can at least agree Shepard gets a lot of crap, right? Even if a Shep's the most badass thing since Socrates, they're pretty much the universe's target board; Shep gets shot at almost everywhere that docks the Normandy, almost everybody Shep's met abandoned her/him in some way or left him/her to handle everything alone. You don't have to cry about it to be a woobie, either (hence the Iron), and Shep certainly very rarely lets all the crap in the way slow him/her down or complain about it, but even ingame when Shep expresses optimism, people have commented about how much life seems to suck at times for him/her. A little recognition and reflection from the wo/man themselves should be an option, at least.

Modifié par REgentleman, 02 juillet 2011 - 09:54 .

[Siansonea]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

VegasVance wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

VegasVance wrote...

You know with all that time you spend replies to posts like these you could of made a new account and saved 15% by switching to Geico. 

All the games are linked to this account.

Can I link them to another while this is still active?

I don't know, couldn't hurt to try and what is the worst that could happen?  People don't know what games you've owned?

Then people will dismiss me as a troll who has no registered games if I ever say anything they disagree with.

It'll be just replacing one problem with another.

Regardless, under no circumstances would I allow myself to be known as "I Eat What I Poo". I mean, really? I would PM a site administrator and find SOME way of changing the username or transferring the registered games to another account. I think the registered games have generic registration numbers anyway, rather than unique ones, but someone else might know if it's possible to transfer data. The bottom line is, you can't expect anyone to really think they're dealing with an adult with a username and profile photo like yours. If you think people will look past it, you're wrong. The fact that you're using your brother's account only adds to the perception that you're underage, by the way.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

I support Shepard showing some more emotions. But these emotional situation should be entirely decided by the player. Something like LOtSB. I also think that it does somewhat take away from peoples visions of their character such as morals and emotions. So I am all for subtle emotional wear on Shepard like him staring off into the distance not paying any attention. While being briefed on a mission. Or maybe a dialogue choice like in LOtSB. But as for Shepard bursting into tears I think that is a little extreme. As for the smashing things and getting angry that could work great for a Renegade Shep.

[Saberchic]

^Wow. Some people take things way to seriously on here.

It's just a name. Let it go.

No need to try to make people feel bad because they don't agree with your point. Attacking their user name is pretty immature itself.

[REgentleman]

@Ryan Or tears and smashing at the same time, even.

Modifié par REgentleman, 02 juillet 2011 - 09:52 .

[Saberchic]

SpEcIaLRyAn wrote...

I support Shepard showing some more emotions. But these emotional situation should be entirely decided by the player. Something like LOtSB. I also think that it does somewhat take away from peoples visions of their character such as morals and emotions. So I am all for subtle emotional wear on Shepard like him staring off into the distance not paying any attention. While being briefed on a mission. Or maybe a dialogue choice like in LOtSB. But as for Shepard bursting into tears I think that is a little extreme. As for the smashing things and getting angry that could work great for a Renegade Shep.

I prefer dialogue options myself like in LotSB.
But renegade or paragon moments would also be a good compromise.

[Zkyire]

Siansonea II wrote...
Regardless, under no circumstances would I allow myself to be known as "I Eat What I Poo". I mean, really? I would PM a site administrator and find SOME way of changing the username or transferring the registered games to another account. I think the registered games have generic registration numbers anyway, rather than unique ones, but someone else might know if it's possible to transfer data. The bottom line is, you can't expect anyone to really think they're dealing with an adult with a username and profile photo like yours. If you think people will look past it, you're wrong. The fact that you're using your brother's account only adds to the perception that you're underage, by the way.

Your post assumes that people don't give a damn about post content and judge people solely based on usernames, which would indicate a level of immaturity among other people, not me.

Also, 25 - not underage.

[Siansonea]

Saberchic wrote...

^Wow. Some people take things way to seriously on here.

It's just a name. Let it go.

No need to try to make people feel bad because they don't agree with your point. Attacking their user name is pretty immature itself.

Like it or not, we are judged by our appearance and presentation. It's just a fact. People with silly names, silly profile photos, people who don't use punctuation, who don't capitalize properly or who use all caps, and who use "texting speech" are going to be perceived as young/immature. Is it fair? Probably not, but that's the reality. When I see a user with a very juvenile presentation, I am going to assume they're a young person, and give them less consideration that I would someone who presents themselves in a mature way. Is it fair? Probably not, but that's the reality.

It's just typical for a young/immature person to equate tears with weakness. Do people think that Erinya's tears of impotent rage at the deaths of her daughters and bondmate were 'weak'? Or the asari who had lost the locket with the photo of her daughter's human father? Tears don't make you weak, and sometimes tears are the appropriate response to a situation. Should Shepard cry at the drop of a hat? No. Should Shepard be a blunted-affect sociopath? NO. There is middle ground, and Shep might shed a tear or two on that middle ground.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 02 juillet 2011 - 10:01 .

[Vnnk]

More women than men will support this. This is unfortunately how pepole work for some reason.

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

REgentleman wrote...
Being a woobie doesn't speak to your ability necessarily, it just means you get loooooots of crap. I think we can at least agree Shepard gets a lot of crap, right? Even if a Shep's the most badass thing since Socrates, they're pretty much the universe's target board; Shep gets shot at almost everywhere that docks the Normandy, almost everybody Shep's met abandoned her/him in some way or left him/her to handle everything alone. You don't have to cry about it to be a woobie, either (hence the Iron), and Shep certainly very rarely lets all the crap in the way slow him/her down or complain about it, but even ingame when Shep expresses optimism, people have commented about how much life seems to suck at times for him/her. A little recognition and reflection from the wo/man themselves should be an option, at least.

Here's the relevant quote from TVTropes:

Please note that The Woobie is a specific type of character that is supposed to draw the audience's sympathy. If the character is the Chew Toy, Butt Monkey, or is a Jerkass he is not The Woobie (unless the character is also meant to be sympathetic). If the character doesn't let bad events faze him, he is not The Woobie.

Bad stuff happens to Shep. But he/she is not the sort of character who is profoundly affected by it, because Mass Effect is not that kind of story. See the above Star Wars example - it would be very strange to see Leia cry over the death of her people, because (as a similar event would be in Mass Effect) it would be tonally inconsistent. Both Mass Effect and Star Wars (here I refer to the real Star Wars movies ofc) are on balance relatively light-hearted space adventures with copious amounts of comic relief, and an attempt to bring "emo" elements into either story would come off as inconsistent and strange. Bad things happen to people in both series, but it doesn't have a profound negative effect on the general mood of the narrative.

[Sheppard-Commander]

My Shep is an emotional wreck, thats why when Saren was making him out to be a clown in front of the Council he just stomped his feet several times and began screaming. Later, when Harby says "This hurts you..." Shep replied "DONT TELL ME HOW TO FEEL."

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

Siansonea II wrote...

Should Shepard be a blunted-affect sociopath?

You do realize that not every character in fiction that doesn't cry when bad stuff happens is supposed to come off as a sociopath, right?

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

Sheppard-Commander wrote...
Later, when Harby says "This hurts you..." Shep replied "DONT TELL ME HOW TO FEEL."

This wins the thread.

[Vnnk]

DuckSoup wrote...

^^This wins the 'Dumbest Comment Of The Month' award. 

I do not understand mind sharing why you think this ?

Modifié par Vnnk, 02 juillet 2011 - 10:14 .

[Saberchic]

Siansonea II wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

^Wow. Some people take things way to seriously on here.

It's just a name. Let it go.

No need to try to make people feel bad because they don't agree with your point. Attacking their user name is pretty immature itself.

Like it or not, we are judged by our appearance and presentation. It's just a fact. People with silly names, silly profile photos, people who don't use punctuation, who don't capitalize properly or who use all caps, and who use "texting speech" are going to be perceived as young/immature. Is it fair? Probably not, but that's the reality. When I see a user with a very juvenile presentation, I am going to assume they're a young person, and give them less consideration that I would someone who presents themselves in a mature way. Is it fair? Probably not, but that's the reality.

It's just typical for a young/immature person to equate tears with weakness. Do people think that Erinya's tears of impotent rage at the deaths of her daughters and bondmate were 'weak'? Or the asari who had lost the locket with the photo of her daughter's human father? Tears don't make you weak, and sometimes tears are the appropriate response to a situation. Should Shepard cry at the drop of a hat? No. Should Shepard be a blunted-affect sociopath? NO. There is middle ground, and Shep might shed a tear or two on that middle ground.

I think NPCs who show emotion are not seen as weak. It's when the PC does it that people object because then that takes the roleplay out of it. I like it when I hear my Shep get irritated or happy in dialogue because I'm selecting the option.

There's nothing wrong with showing emotion in conversations, and I agree with what the suggestion earlier mentioning having renegade or paragon options because then the player can choose. However, I don't think it would enhance the experience if you had all these "moments" all over the game. Inevitably, you'd have people arguing over when and which moment Shep should get introspective over. It's just all too much. 

[REgentleman]

@Dave: hmm, touche-ay (my own inspiration, turned against me!). I'd still argue that Shepard could fit the description, but I might be wrong to force that title on all Shepards.

@vnnk: That may be true, in practice, that more men will speak up against it. Still!
Row
Row
Fight da imposed gender roles!

Modifié par REgentleman, 02 juillet 2011 - 10:15 .

[Zkyire]

DuckSoup wrote...

Vnnk wrote...

DuckSoup wrote...

^^This wins the 'Dumbest Comment Of The Month' award. 

I do not understand why mind sharing why you think this ?

Do you remember what you said?

Because you think that it will mainly be women who support this and that this is unfortunate. 

And you have no reason to call it "the dumbest comment of the month" until you get the gender statistics for the supporters.

[Siansonea]

Saberchic wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

^Wow. Some people take things way to seriously on here.

It's just a name. Let it go.

No need to try to make people feel bad because they don't agree with your point. Attacking their user name is pretty immature itself.

Like it or not, we are judged by our appearance and presentation. It's just a fact. People with silly names, silly profile photos, people who don't use punctuation, who don't capitalize properly or who use all caps, and who use "texting speech" are going to be perceived as young/immature. Is it fair? Probably not, but that's the reality. When I see a user with a very juvenile presentation, I am going to assume they're a young person, and give them less consideration that I would someone who presents themselves in a mature way. Is it fair? Probably not, but that's the reality.

It's just typical for a young/immature person to equate tears with weakness. Do people think that Erinya's tears of impotent rage at the deaths of her daughters and bondmate were 'weak'? Or the asari who had lost the locket with the photo of her daughter's human father? Tears don't make you weak, and sometimes tears are the appropriate response to a situation. Should Shepard cry at the drop of a hat? No. Should Shepard be a blunted-affect sociopath? NO. There is middle ground, and Shep might shed a tear or two on that middle ground.

I think NPCs who show emotion are not seen as weak. It's when the PC does it that people object because then that takes the roleplay out of it. I like it when I hear my Shep get irritated or happy in dialogue because I'm selecting the option.

There's nothing wrong with showing emotion in conversations, and I agree with what the suggestion earlier mentioning having renegade or paragon options because then the player can choose. However, I don't think it would enhance the experience if you had all these "moments" all over the game. Inevitably, you'd have people arguing over when and which moment Shep should get introspective over. It's just all too much. 

Oh, I definitely agree that Shepard's emotional moments should be player-opt-in, and varied. There should be the Frodo option, the HAL 9000 option, and the Duke Nukem option.

[Saberchic]

Siansonea II wrote...
Oh, I definitely agree that Shepard's emotional moments should be player-opt-in, and varied. There should be the Frodo option, the HAL 9000 option, and the Duke Nukem option.

[Siansonea]

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Should Shepard be a blunted-affect sociopath?

You do realize that not every character in fiction that doesn't cry when bad stuff happens is supposed to come off as a sociopath, right?

Well, so far Legion and EDI have more emotional range than Shepard. I'd at least like to have the OPTION of playing Shepard as a human being with feelings, rather than as an automaton.