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^Wow. Some people take things way to seriously on here.

It's just a name. Let it go.

No need to try to make people feel bad because they don't agree with your point. Attacking their user name is pretty immature itself.


Like it or not, we are judged by our appearance and presentation. It's just a fact. People with silly names, silly profile photos, people who don't use punctuation, who don't capitalize properly or who use all caps, and who use "texting speech" are going to be perceived as young/immature. Is it fair? Probably not, but that's the reality. When I see a user with a very juvenile presentation, I am going to assume they're a young person, and give them less consideration that I would someone who presents themselves in a mature way. Is it fair? Probably not, but that's the reality.

It's just typical for a young/immature person to equate tears with weakness. Do people think that Erinya's tears of impotent rage at the deaths of her daughters and bondmate were 'weak'? Or the asari who had lost the locket with the photo of her daughter's human father? Tears don't make you weak, and sometimes tears are the appropriate response to a situation. Should Shepard cry at the drop of a hat? No. Should Shepard be a blunted-affect sociopath? NO. There is middle ground, and Shep might shed a tear or two on that middle ground.


I think NPCs who show emotion are not seen as weak. It's when the PC does it that people object because then that takes the roleplay out of it. I like it when I hear my Shep get irritated or happy in dialogue because I'm selecting the option.

There's nothing wrong with showing emotion in conversations, and I agree with what the suggestion earlier mentioning having renegade or paragon options because then the player can choose. However, I don't think it would enhance the experience if you had all these "moments" all over the game. Inevitably, you'd have people arguing over when and which moment Shep should get introspective over. It's just all too much. 


Oh, I definitely agree that Shepard's emotional moments should be player-opt-in, and varied. There should be the Frodo option, the HAL 9000 option, and the Duke Nukem option. :wizard:


I like. The problem comes though when people want to choose paragon-sounding dialogue (NOTE: I'm kind of assuming Frodo=Par, HAL=neut, Duke=ren) that doesn't have tears, or even excessive emotion. Maybe left side of the wheel?

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^^This wins the 'Dumbest Comment Of The Month' award. 


I do not understand why mind sharing why you think this ?


Do you remember what you said?

Because you think that it will mainly be women who support this and that this is unfortunate. 


And you have no reason to call it "the dumbest comment of the month" until you get the gender statistics for the supporters.


Yes, I do. To call it 'unfortunate' that women will mainly support Shepard showing emotions is dumb. 

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Do you remember what you said?

Because you think that it will mainly be women who support this and that this is unfortunate. 



Yes i do beause alot of the male gender will not truly think about it becuse they want to seem tough then not have a right opinion by thinking about the other side of the argument. But this is a dissusion for annother time.

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Men want to appear tough only until they get in their 20s, stop being childish and retain some brains

Modifié par Mash Mashington, 02 juillet 2011 - 10:24 .


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@Mashington: vnnk might not be right as a rule, but the collection of individual men who fit the bill, at least as far as crying goes, might not be insignificant. There are some messed up 30-somethings out there, dude.


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Maybe left side of the wheel?

I firmly believe in the left side's ability to solve all my hard choices for me.

Modifié par REgentleman, 02 juillet 2011 - 10:27 .


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You're missing the point: "it would've been anti-climactic if Frodo had just strolled up the hill,
whistling. Showing the physical and emotional struggle in that scene
really sold the difficulty and danger of the situation."

Furthermore, while Frodo is a hobbit, it's worth noting that he was
stronger willed than any of the non-humans (with all their martial skill
and experience), in terms of handling the ring.  Also, he was pushed to
breaking point, not because he was a pansy - he was actually
extraordinarily brave and strong willed - but because that's how utterly
grave the situation became.  And, most importantly, it made the scene
incredibly moving; it would've made a rubbish story if he didn't
struggle up the mountain. 


While Frodo is portrayed as having plenty of willpower, Hobbits in general were portrayed as being somewhat resistant to the ring. While Humans went all "derp" as soon as they saw it. So while it doesn't completely destroy Frodo's accomplishment, it wasn't 100% his willpower.

Would you have preferred if Frodo marched up
like Duke Nukem, and upon reaching the top, turned around, looked
directly at the camera, with a cheesy one liner?  Sorry, but I want a
good story, not a cheesy hollywood blockbuster.


But it doesn't have to be. Why does the story *have* to be this one person who is physically weak but has lots of courage or whatever go on to be the hero? Why can't people accept that in Mass Effect - that is not the hero. The Hero of ME is a complete badass. Shepard is one of the best in the galaxy, so comparing Shepard's journey to Frodo doesn't make sense.

People are saying Shep should be pushed to the limit because of how utterly grave the situation is.  If Shepard just strolls to the finishing line without struggling like mad, then how bad was the situation really?

We do think Shepard is tough :/  Probably the toughest human soldier there is, and arguably the greatest hero the Milky Way has ever had - but we think the situation is bad enough to push her to her limit.  I mean, *LOL*, she's up against an armada of Reapers culling the galaxy of all intelligent life.  A race of sentient machines that have been doing this countless times to god-knows how many species.  For the reapers, this is gardening; for Shepard and everyone else in the galaxy this is the first time they will have ever had to deal with a threat this powerful and on such a staggeringly massive scale. 


Fair enough. But just because the situation is tougher now doesn't mean Shep will cry. If he/she has gotten this far without even an inkling of tears coming through then he/she may finish the job in kind.

You realise I never suggested that, right...?  You're completely exaggerating what I've been saying.  I'm saying I want Shepard to be brought to breaking point in ME3, not cry every moment someone dies :/  Where are you getting that from? 


That was a mistake on my part in writing that in the same post. I was going to copy and paste the last few lines into a new post.

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Mash Mashington wrote...

Men want to appear tough only until they get in their 20s, stop being childish and retain some brains


Exceot they're not men *until* they're in their twenties :wizard:

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But it doesn't have to be. Why does the story *have* to be this one person who is physically weak but has lots of courage or whatever go on to be the hero? Why can't people accept that in Mass Effect - that is not the hero. The Hero of ME is a complete badass. Shepard is one of the best in the galaxy, so comparing Shepard's journey to Frodo doesn't make sense.


Well, one version of Shepard is a complete badass. Another version of Shepard might be a more multidimensional character—and I'd like to have that option for some of my Shepards. My psycopath Soldier wouldn't cry if she was on fire, but my Vanguard has tons of empathy and I'd like for him to be able to show it. Options, that's all I want.

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That's a handsome Shep! Facecode?:wizard:

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Mash Mashington wrote...

Men want to appear tough only until they get in their 20s, stop being childish and retain some brains


Exceot they're not men *until* they're in their twenties :wizard:


What makes someone a man anyway?

/introspection

If you're Jewish, technically you're one at 13.

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Well, one version of Shepard is a complete badass. Another version of Shepard might be a more multidimensional character—and I'd like to have that option for some of my Shepards. My psycopath Soldier wouldn't cry if she was on fire, but my Vanguard has tons of empathy and I'd like for him to be able to show it. Options, that's all I want.

 
That's more difficult to write than it seems. They tried this in DA2, and the end result was Hawke couldn't change up his dialogue without sounding like a bipolar lunatic.

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If he/she hasn't cried yet then I don't hold out much hope. Not that I want tears, geez everyone you met in ME2 was a balling mess of snot and tears. It became annoying.

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What makes someone a man anyway?


WHAT IS A MAN? A MISERABLE LITTLE PILE OF SECRETS!

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@Blitzkrieg: I felt like they had an okay start in the first couple of games, and my Hawke suited my RP purposes most of the time, though I left my mental image of Hawke unrestrained for that purpose.

Modifié par REgentleman, 02 juillet 2011 - 10:34 .


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Siansonea II wrote...
I'd at least like to have the OPTION of playing Shepard as a human being with feelings, rather than as an automaton.


Are you sure you don't want to reconsider that?

In all seriousness, though, I'm all for Shep showing emotion as long as A) they get the facial anims right (harder than it sounds for slider-generated faces) and B) stick to stuff that is consistent with the tone. I.e., not hilariously grimdark.

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I would love for my Shepard to cry. Just because he's a Soldier doesn't mean he can't have emotions.

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Blitzkrieg0811 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Well, one version of Shepard is a complete badass. Another version of Shepard might be a more multidimensional character—and I'd like to have that option for some of my Shepards. My psycopath Soldier wouldn't cry if she was on fire, but my Vanguard has tons of empathy and I'd like for him to be able to show it. Options, that's all I want.

 
That's more difficult to write than it seems. They tried this in DA2, and the end result was Hawke couldn't change up his dialogue without sounding like a bipolar lunatic.


I dunno. It seems like it would be a rather isolated "reaction" moment to one of the more traumatic moments in the game, or something similar to the dialogue in Lair of the Shadow Broker when Liara asks Shepard to open up. One Shepard might shed a tear or two, while voicing frustration over how many lives have been lost under his/her watch. Another Shepard might drone on about the tactical situation, and another Shepard might angrily pace around the room and throw things while vowing to destroy the Reapers, they made it personal! All would be awesome, because we'd have more options to define our Shepards. My Soldier would stalk and throw things, my Vanguard would shed a tear, and my Engineer would miss the emotion boat entirely. ;)

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Final scene of Mass Effect 3. Shepard realises he's part Reaper.. goes to kill himself, and turns to his LI and.. this?

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adneate wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...
What makes someone a man anyway?


WHAT IS A MAN? A MISERABLE LITTLE PILE OF SECRETS!


You're thinking of female.

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Okay, we all know Shepard is a bad ass and the epitome of a mans man... Do you want to see Shepard's more emotional side in ME3? Perhaps even seeing him shed a tear? We really haven't seen him vulnerable or breakdown as often... he deals with so much and he obviously needs to express his emotions... I think it can progress his character even further and will give the player a more satisfying experience...To understand Shepard fully, we need to see a whole range of his emotions. However we consistently see a few of them...Does Shepard get sad? Angry? Depressed?... What do you guys think? Any ideas? Maybe the LI can bring out a side of Shepard we haven't seen yet that doesn't involve sex? 


Players won't usualy like it when their character cries.

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Siansonea II wrote...

Well, one version of Shepard is a complete badass. Another version of Shepard might be a more multidimensional character—and I'd like to have that option for some of my Shepards. My psycopath Soldier wouldn't cry if she was on fire, but my Vanguard has tons of empathy and I'd like for him to be able to show it. Options, that's all I want.

 
That's more difficult to write than it seems. They tried this in DA2, and the end result was Hawke couldn't change up his dialogue without sounding like a bipolar lunatic.


I dunno. It seems like it would be a rather isolated "reaction" moment to one of the more traumatic moments in the game, or something similar to the dialogue in Lair of the Shadow Broker when Liara asks Shepard to open up. One Shepard might shed a tear or two, while voicing frustration over how many lives have been lost under his/her watch. Another Shepard might drone on about the tactical situation, and another Shepard might angrily pace around the room and throw things while vowing to destroy the Reapers, they made it personal! All would be awesome, because we'd have more options to define our Shepards. My Soldier would stalk and throw things, my Vanguard would shed a tear, and my Engineer would miss the emotion boat entirely. ;)


The Engineer would be the funniest.

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I would love for my Shepard to cry. Just because he's a Soldier doesn't mean he can't have emotions.


What if your Shep's a Vanguard? They don't have emotions, only shotguns.

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DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

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I would love for my Shepard to cry. Just because he's a Soldier doesn't mean he can't have emotions.


What if your Shep's a Vanguard? They don't have emotions, only shotguns.


His tears are the bullets.

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IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

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I would love for my Shepard to cry. Just because he's a Soldier doesn't mean he can't have emotions.


What if your Shep's a Vanguard? They don't have emotions, only shotguns.


His tears are the bullets.


There we go. Shepard works out their internal anxiety by shooting the s--t out of anything that stands between them and their goal. Who needs therapy when you've got sniper rifles?