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[TomY90]

I can imagine Shepard might show more emotion when in the quarters with his/her LI but will keep the military exterior to the rest of the crew and world considering Shepard is apparently being seen as a symbol for the resistance against the reapers.

thats saying whenever I hear that rumour I think commander shepard is now John Connor and harbringer is the terminator

[Leoism]

Hahahaha! Yeah i thought that long long ago, all is clear now tho terminator ain't got sheet on reapers lol

[phantomdragoness]

I agree, not in front of the crew, but with a close friend or LI that your Shep wouldn't mind letting his or her guard down.

My Earthborn Shep, however, I can imagine her breaking down in the decontamination room right after escaping Earth. She's beating on the walls, screaming, swearing - the works. More pissed than anything for not being able to convince her own homeworld of the impending disaster and she may take it as a partial failure on her part for not trying harder. She drives herself too hard, anyways.

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

phantomdragoness wrote...
My Earthborn Shep, however, I can imagine her breaking down in the decontamination room right after escaping Earth. She's beating on the walls, screaming, swearing - the works. More pissed than anything for not being able to convince her own homeworld of the impending disaster and she may take it as a partial failure on her part for not trying harder. She drives herself too hard, anyways.

I think this actually brings up another problem with including emotion like that in a game like this. When the protagonist is somewhat of a blank slate, it's really hard to make emotional scenes that fit each potential character. Often, emoting is better imagined than actually included in the game for protagonists like this.

[mauro2222]

phantomdragoness wrote...

I agree, not in front of the crew, but with a close friend or LI that your Shep wouldn't mind letting his or her guard down.

My Earthborn Shep, however, I can imagine her breaking down in the decontamination room right after escaping Earth. She's beating on the walls, screaming, swearing - the works. More pissed than anything for not being able to convince her own homeworld of the impending disaster and she may take it as a partial failure on her part for not trying harder. She drives herself too hard, anyways.

"I can imagine her breaking down in the decontamination room right after escaping Earth" good

[Davie McG]

Hate to use an English expression but I think Shepard should stick with a stiff upper lip.

Even with an LI, cause people will be looking as much to them to gauge Shepard's mental state as they will to Shepard, and he/she has to be a symbol of strength and determination in the face of these seemingly unbeatable odd's.

Let him/her show emotion at the end if at all.

Modifié par Davie McG, 03 juillet 2011 - 02:59 .

[mauro2222]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

demonic_cookie wrote...

To imply that women are weak, and are "just born" to be weak because we express our emotions more, is also preposterous, but it doesn't stop some men here doing that, while being remarkably condescending in the process.

Also, to suggest that all women's brain work in a specific way that is different from all men's brains is completely off the mark. The neurological range within the species is vast, and an idea of "typical male brain" and "typical female brain" is something that authors of books like "Men are from Mars, women are from Venus" use to justify their crap theories.

DaveExclamation, I guess we have different understanding of ME's tone. For me Tali's loyalty mission, Jack's loyalty mission (however poorly executed at times), and Overlord, were clear indication that they wanted to include more emotional depth. LotSB was a step in that direction, while at the same time including some of the funniest battle banter ever. Bioware failed more than they succeeded, but the trying was there.

Also, "breaking down and crying", and "showing signs of emotion" or even "shedding a few tears/holding back tears" are different things. Do not confuse them.

I would very much like to know how old some of these so-called "men" are—I strongly suspect the most immature remarks are coming from people who are technically too young to be playing these games in the first place.

I'm 19, and male. I do believe men and women are in someways hardwired different, but I don't think that's bad.

I've cried before. I've cried so hard I shook. multiple times. I don't consider it weak. I may be one of few, though.

We probably don't need "breaking down and crying." I wouldn't mind the other two though.

I'm exactly the same, brother? is that you?

[phantomdragoness]

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

phantomdragoness wrote...
My Earthborn Shep, however, I can imagine her breaking down in the decontamination room right after escaping Earth. She's beating on the walls, screaming, swearing - the works. More pissed than anything for not being able to convince her own homeworld of the impending disaster and she may take it as a partial failure on her part for not trying harder. She drives herself too hard, anyways.

I think this actually brings up another problem with including emotion like that in a game like this. When the protagonist is somewhat of a blank slate, it's really hard to make emotional scenes that fit each potential character. Often, emoting is better imagined than actually included in the game for protagonists like this.

Pretty much. It's all a great idea - I love the idea - but putting it into practice would be difficult because there are so many different Shepards. Some would be cold, others would be wrecked, and then the others would wait to be alone to shed a few tears. I wonder if there could be a way to choose how our Shepards would react to a situation...there is the dialogue wheel of course, so maybe that? idk

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

phantomdragoness wrote...

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

phantomdragoness wrote...
My Earthborn Shep, however, I can imagine her breaking down in the decontamination room right after escaping Earth. She's beating on the walls, screaming, swearing - the works. More pissed than anything for not being able to convince her own homeworld of the impending disaster and she may take it as a partial failure on her part for not trying harder. She drives herself too hard, anyways.

I think this actually brings up another problem with including emotion like that in a game like this. When the protagonist is somewhat of a blank slate, it's really hard to make emotional scenes that fit each potential character. Often, emoting is better imagined than actually included in the game for protagonists like this.

Pretty much. It's all a great idea - I love the idea - but putting it into practice would be difficult because there are so many different Shepards. Some would be cold, others would be wrecked, and then the others would wait to be alone to shed a few tears. I wonder if there could be a way to choose how our Shepards would react to a situation...there is the dialogue wheel of course, so maybe that? idk

Yeah - actaully, it would be interesting to see something where, based on conversations they have at certain points in the game, the game chooses an emotional response from Shep. So if you have 2 sets of 3 variables, that's a total of 9 possible emotional responses, which should cover a majority of characters at least as well as the emotional aspects of paragon/renegade cover them.

[Had-to-say]

This was an effective scene in Close Encounters and we never gave a damn. Sometimes you gotta  laugh to keep from crying. Love this scene and that kid.

Modifié par Had-to-say, 03 juillet 2011 - 04:03 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

phantomdragoness wrote...

I agree, not in front of the crew, but with a close friend or LI that your Shep wouldn't mind letting his or her guard down.

My Earthborn Shep, however, I can imagine her breaking down in the decontamination room right after escaping Earth. She's beating on the walls, screaming, swearing - the works. More pissed than anything for not being able to convince her own homeworld of the impending disaster and she may take it as a partial failure on her part for not trying harder. She drives herself too hard, anyways.

My Earth shep would be screaming in a rage at the council for not sending immediate aid to Earth! My first stop will be the Citadel if I can get to it. Hopefully BW will let us do both.

[phantomdragoness]

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

phantomdragoness wrote...

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

phantomdragoness wrote...
My Earthborn Shep, however, I can imagine her breaking down in the decontamination room right after escaping Earth. She's beating on the walls, screaming, swearing - the works. More pissed than anything for not being able to convince her own homeworld of the impending disaster and she may take it as a partial failure on her part for not trying harder. She drives herself too hard, anyways.

I think this actually brings up another problem with including emotion like that in a game like this. When the protagonist is somewhat of a blank slate, it's really hard to make emotional scenes that fit each potential character. Often, emoting is better imagined than actually included in the game for protagonists like this.

Pretty much. It's all a great idea - I love the idea - but putting it into practice would be difficult because there are so many different Shepards. Some would be cold, others would be wrecked, and then the others would wait to be alone to shed a few tears. I wonder if there could be a way to choose how our Shepards would react to a situation...there is the dialogue wheel of course, so maybe that? idk

Yeah - actaully, it would be interesting to see something where, based on conversations they have at certain points in the game, the game chooses an emotional response from Shep. So if you have 2 sets of 3 variables, that's a total of 9 possible emotional responses, which should cover a majority of characters at least as well as the emotional aspects of paragon/renegade cover them.

Kinda like in DA2 then? If you chose the comedic responses often, your Hawke would adopt that personality. Same goes with agression and diplomatic responses. In cut scenes, or in just simple encounters with no dialogue options, Hawke would make a comment according to his or her personality. This would be an interesting concept for ME3.

[Davie McG]

I think the citadel has been confirmed as a location (though hardly ground breaking news given it's been in every game so far).

Still agree with what I said earlier in regards to showing emotion though.

Edit : to the above poster, I think such a system would take any emotional sting out of the moment.

Modifié par Davie McG, 03 juillet 2011 - 04:11 .

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

phantomdragoness wrote...

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

phantomdragoness wrote...

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

phantomdragoness wrote...
My Earthborn Shep, however, I can imagine her breaking down in the decontamination room right after escaping Earth. She's beating on the walls, screaming, swearing - the works. More pissed than anything for not being able to convince her own homeworld of the impending disaster and she may take it as a partial failure on her part for not trying harder. She drives herself too hard, anyways.

I think this actually brings up another problem with including emotion like that in a game like this. When the protagonist is somewhat of a blank slate, it's really hard to make emotional scenes that fit each potential character. Often, emoting is better imagined than actually included in the game for protagonists like this.

Pretty much. It's all a great idea - I love the idea - but putting it into practice would be difficult because there are so many different Shepards. Some would be cold, others would be wrecked, and then the others would wait to be alone to shed a few tears. I wonder if there could be a way to choose how our Shepards would react to a situation...there is the dialogue wheel of course, so maybe that? idk

Yeah - actaully, it would be interesting to see something where, based on conversations they have at certain points in the game, the game chooses an emotional response from Shep. So if you have 2 sets of 3 variables, that's a total of 9 possible emotional responses, which should cover a majority of characters at least as well as the emotional aspects of paragon/renegade cover them.

Kinda like in DA2 then? If you chose the comedic responses often, your Hawke would adopt that personality. Same goes with agression and diplomatic responses. In cut scenes, or in just simple encounters with no dialogue options, Hawke would make a comment according to his or her personality. This would be an interesting concept for ME3.

Yeah, this was something I thought DA2 actually did right. It turns what would have just been picking dialogue options into actual character development.

[dielveio]

Shepard has been ignored, betrayed, made almost impossible decisions in that include a one that killed a PERSONAL friend or even a loved person, accused of beign crazy, killed, RESSURRECTED and NO ONE explained HOW,

Shepard is a soldier of the Alliance hardened like no other before! But he/she is a PERSON before that!
So give some feelings to Shepard: hatred, frustration, happiness, joy, hope, fear, jelousy, just to name a few.

[JamieCOTC]

It would be nice if Shep had the option to show some emotion, (off the battlefield of course), but at the end of the day some people just want to shoot sh*t. 

anyway ...

Shep don't need no arms around him
Shep don't need to hugs to calm him
He's only out there fighting after all
Don't think he needs anything at all
No, don't think he needs anything at all
'Cause all he really is is just a brick in the wall.

[XDMMX]

LOL! ^

[Dexi]

7 pages later, people still don't get it that cry=/= deeper story, cry doesn't necessarily help you in that tough point ( as holding off those tears sometimes - most of the times - subconsciously proves you that you can cope with the situation).

People say "wouldn't you cry if you'd face armaggedon? Wouldn't you have a breaking point and put down and cry?"... People who say that are actually people who either never faced very tough times ( or hard enough times) or that are less emotionally stable and broke up - they'd expect everyone to be the same.

When you face death, you don't have time to put your sight down and cry.
If you're an elite special unit, you've killed countless without a second thought, and you're shown off as very emotional stable, not only you don't have time to shed a tear, you don't have a reason.



When WW3 comes, you'll stand down and cry as the *insert enemy nation* soldiers will rape your women and as your town gets bombed, instead of using the time you use to control your breakdown to move your family out of harm's way.

[Daddy Bags]

Dude..no one has time to be emotional at this point in the franchise. The Reapers are here and I know you heard Shepard in the that one commercial say "We fight or we die." There's no room for emotion in that statement. lol

[phantomdragoness]

Oh, has anyone said that crying fixes everything? Did someone say that Shepard's tears of pureness will drive the Reapers away? No? Then...your argument is invalid.

Everyone deals with stress differently. If we want our Shepards to cry, then we damn will make them cry. Let us continue in this ignorance you seem to have cast us in, and we'll let you continue lecturing others about the impending world war that will put our strength to the test.

Each of us bears his or her own hell, so don't lecture us about tough times, dude.

[SilentK]

I don't think for one moment that they would let ME3 go soap-opera with Shep. I would just really like a small moment in which my Shep could show that it has been difficult. And I don't think this moment will occur during firefight or at a moment when she really has to stay focused. At some appropriate time, perhaps when talking to a LI or a close friend she can let her guard down for 2 sec. Like that convo with Jacob.

So no, cry=/= deeper story just like that. But for me, being able to let my Shep have a conversation or something in which she shows some emotions would suit them so that would make it meaningful for me. I do not believe that Shep would go soap, simply that she might like to talk about it with someone she trusts.