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[Destroy Raiden_]

They mean shep will be more fleshed out as a person no more brick shep.

[JamieCOTC]

mauro2222 wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Actually, Mac Walters has addressed the case of Shepard's character in ME3 on Twitter.

Shepard's Character
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Sometimes she's vulnerable...

Fan Feedback ..."Thanks for all the positivity towards making a deeper, more robust and full-bodied Shepard!"
I didn´t understand xD what does this means?

Pretty much what Destroy Raiden said.  When Mac Walters announced Shep would have a deeper character in ME3, there was a lot of fan praise for that.  I seem to recall a few "brick Shep is no fun" tweets to Mr. Walters' comments. 

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

Well, let's be honest, the VA for Shepard is not the best in the industry.

I have to agree that Mark Meer is not that great of a VA.  His performance with the dialogue leading up to sex scene with Liara in ME1 was awfu.Now Jeniffer Hale on the other hand made the same dialogue just great. I think Hale is a much better VA than Meer, she makes even the dumbest dialogue bearable (the lead in to sex scene with Jacob for example) and she has the knack for making lines that Meer couldn't make funny no matter how hard he tries just hysterical (the "we gonna need bigger guns" line in ME1 and the dialogue between her and Liara during the sky car chase and the battle on the outside of the ship in LotSB are just a few examples). She can make feamle Shepard sound like a nice or funny woman or the meanest b!tch in the galaxy. Meer makes male Shepard just sounds like an idiot.

[Destroy Raiden_]

^ Hey I will defend Meer (gasp!) in SB he had feeling and inflection in his voice quite well. In the demo he was sympathetic to the child he's actually doing very good with the DLCs so I think he can pull it off. Remember he's VA for vorcha, biotic god, and a few others so him being inraged, sad, happy could work.

[nitrog100]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

^ Hey I will defend Meer (gasp!) in SB he had feeling and inflection in his voice quite well. In the demo he was sympathetic to the child he's actually doing very good with the DLCs so I think he can pull it off. Remember he's VA for vorcha, biotic god, and a few others so him being inraged, sad, happy could work.

Apparently, he also voiced Mordin in the E3 demo because they didn't finish recording in time. Meer is a good VA. The only reason it doesn't sound good in the game is because the conversations themselves are weird.

[mauro2222]

nitrog100 wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

^ Hey I will defend Meer (gasp!) in SB he had feeling and inflection in his voice quite well. In the demo he was sympathetic to the child he's actually doing very good with the DLCs so I think he can pull it off. Remember he's VA for vorcha, biotic god, and a few others so him being inraged, sad, happy could work.

Apparently, he also voiced Mordin in the E3 demo because they didn't finish recording in time. Meer is a good VA. The only reason it doesn't sound good in the game is because the conversations themselves are weird.

Thats is what I don't understand? He made awesome VA in other characters, why he is so "brick" when he is shepard. Maybe is just how bioware wants it to be.

[Malanek]

I hope you aren't forced to show much emotion. Shepard has always been fairly stoic and I like it that way, changing that now would seem pretty lame to me.

[JamieCOTC]

Malanek999 wrote...

I hope you aren't forced to show much emotion. Shepard has always been fairly stoic and I like it that way, changing that now would seem pretty lame to me.

I'm all for Shepard showing emotion, but I understand what you mean.  It should be an option via interrupts and extra dialogue options.  The paragon interrupts and additional dialogue choices in LOTSB are a good example.  The "Liara's in there" shout is too forced as is the car chase dialogue, even though it fit my Shep perfectly.  The whole cabin scene is great, especially since it is optional. 

[Annarl]

I want Shep to keep his/her emotions in check.

[ShadowSplicer]

Yes, I want my Shepard to truly show his emotions in ME3, I think it'd really make things tense if during the final battle his team is saying: "Shepard, what do we do?" And he finally has to come to grips with it and admit, "I don't know."

[Siansonea]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Yeah, Jacob's stock went up 1000% when I became aware of that exchange and his "back off and quit trying to fix me" dialogue.

I don't get it, aren't you supporting men opening up and crying?

Then you support Jacob bottling it up?

No, men can open and cry, that's fine. IF they need too. I get the impression Jacob doesn't need to. He's already had 10 years to process his father's death, so the grief aspect isn't as prevalent as the horror/anger/disgust aspect, and he seems to not want to share that with Shepard. Maybe he doesn't need to share in order to process those emotions. Not everyone does.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

^ Hey I will defend Meer (gasp!) in SB he had feeling and inflection in his voice quite well. In the demo he was sympathetic to the child he's actually doing very good with the DLCs so I think he can pull it off. Remember he's VA for vorcha, biotic god, and a few others so him being inraged, sad, happy could work.

I agree. Just watched the demo back Meer seemed very sincere and sympathetic to the child. Seems Meer's VA is getting better. In the first ME he was good not great. In ME2 he really stepped up to the plate and did a really good job. Expecially on Arrival and LOtSB. Although alot of Arrival's scenes seemed to have forced dialogue Meer did a good job. With ME3 he looks to be hittting out of the park.

To stay on topic as I have said before as long as the emotions are not forced I am all for it being implemented into the game. In the words of Joker and Legion...

"Just don't ask me to dance unless you like the sound of cracking shin bones" -Joker
"We acknowledge this as an appropriate metphor." -Legion

[ZLurps]

I think voice acting for Shepard is good like it is.

Shepard is stoic, or neutral because Shepard is a lens between player and situations presented in the game. If BioWare made Shepard "feel" things it wouldn't work well for players because in many situations player might, and would have different experience about things presented in game than Shepard.

While someone might like seeing Shepard cry while he / she is exploring the remains of orphanage that got hit by falling Mantis gunship and sees pieces of burned dolls scattered around, other player wouldn't respond the scenario like that and would be filled with rage, some other would remain indifferent etc. Making Shepard react instead of player in scenario would be rather irritating than adding value.
Also, imagine playing trough that scenario X many time with different character... Maybe not so fun.

What comes to showing emotions, I sometimes wonder why it should be crying? Why it couldn't be drinking on Normandy, hearing jokes and laughing? I don't think it would work either, for reasons I wrote above, but why it looks like that lot of people think like: tears = emotion = character depth.

[mauro2222]

Siansonea II wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Yeah, Jacob's stock went up 1000% when I became aware of that exchange and his "back off and quit trying to fix me" dialogue.

I don't get it, aren't you supporting men opening up and crying?

Then you support Jacob bottling it up?

No, men can open and cry, that's fine. IF they need too. I get the impression Jacob doesn't need to. He's already had 10 years to process his father's death, so the grief aspect isn't as prevalent as the horror/anger/disgust aspect, and he seems to not want to share that with Shepard. Maybe he doesn't need to share in order to process those emotions. Not everyone does.

He transformed his sadness into hate. Not hate to his father, but hate to himself for not seeing this coming. I think xD

Modifié par mauro2222, 04 juillet 2011 - 09:56 .

[mauro2222]

I think is sadness,anger or cry = emotion. Maybe there is no need of crying or going breaking everything, but showing sadness or more determination is better.

[Han Shot First]

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

Well, let's be honest, the VA for Shepard is not the best in the industry.

I have to agree that Mark Meer is not that great of a VA.  His performance with the dialogue leading up to sex scene with Liara in ME1 was awfu.Now Jeniffer Hale on the other hand made the same dialogue just great. I think Hale is a much better VA than Meer, she makes even the dumbest dialogue bearable (the lead in to sex scene with Jacob for example) and she has the knack for making lines that Meer couldn't make funny no matter how hard he tries just hysterical (the "we gonna need bigger guns" line in ME1 and the dialogue between her and Liara during the sky car chase and the battle on the outside of the ship in LotSB are just a few examples). She can make feamle Shepard sound like a nice or funny woman or the meanest b!tch in the galaxy. Meer makes male Shepard just sounds like an idiot.

Meer is much better than Hale, IMO.

His stoic 'no nonsense' perfomance is absolutely spot on in that it reminds me of Staff NCOs and mustangs (officers that were prior enlisted) I knew while I was in the Marine Corps. His delivery is perfect.

I like Hale as well, but she tends to over emote. She's a good voice actress but her characterization of Shepard feels less authentic to me.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 04 juillet 2011 - 10:46 .

[ReinaHW]

When talking to Liara in ME2 I noticed, with my FemShep, that there is the choice to let Shepard talk about her feelings in regards to the mission.
So I did and it was as expected, and hoped for. She sounded worried and unsure if they would truly succeed, but at the same time she was determined and willing to do whatever it took to ensure success.

But that was with FemShep, Hale does a pretty good job of delivering feeling to the female Shepard. The male Shepard, doubtful, male leads tend not to show feelings beyond 'Let's kill them all!'.

[blind black]

Siansonea II wrote...

Well, if I ever wondered about the emotional maturity of folks around here, this thread would be the perfect place to satisfy that curiosity. I'd like to see how the lot of you would react if you were actually confronted with a difficult situation. The macho BS "stone cold" approach is simply cultural conditioning, if something horrific actually happened to you kids, you'd bawl like a newborn—and that would be perfectly appropriate.

Really, the idea that crying=weakness is one of the silliest fallacies there is. Thank you, social conditioning.

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THIS x 10000

[lolspawn]

ghey

[Han Shot First]

ReinaHW wrote...

When talking to Liara in ME2 I noticed, with my FemShep, that there is the choice to let Shepard talk about her feelings in regards to the mission.
So I did and it was as expected, and hoped for. She sounded worried and unsure if they would truly succeed, but at the same time she was determined and willing to do whatever it took to ensure success.

But that was with FemShep, Hale does a pretty good job of delivering feeling to the female Shepard. The male Shepard, doubtful, male leads tend not to show feelings beyond 'Let's kill them all!'.

Not true.

Both male and female versions of Shep have the same or similar dialogue with Liara. Shep letting down his/her guard in the Liara romance is not unique to femshep.

Fast forward to about 4:27:

[Raiil]

Han Shot First wrote...

ReinaHW wrote...

When talking to Liara in ME2 I noticed, with my FemShep, that there is the choice to let Shepard talk about her feelings in regards to the mission.
So I did and it was as expected, and hoped for. She sounded worried and unsure if they would truly succeed, but at the same time she was determined and willing to do whatever it took to ensure success.

But that was with FemShep, Hale does a pretty good job of delivering feeling to the female Shepard. The male Shepard, doubtful, male leads tend not to show feelings beyond 'Let's kill them all!'.

Not true.

Both male and female versions of Shep have the same or similar dialogue with Liara. Shep letting down his/her guard in the Liara romance is not unique to femshep.

Fast forward to about 4:27:

I think they're referring to VA delivery, not actually lines. Male and femshep tend to have similiar, if not idential dialogue in most cases, but (depending on your POV) Mark Meer can be dry to the point of no real emotional inflection.

[ubermensch007]

alihou wrote...

Okay, we all know Shepard is a bad ass and the epitome of a mans man... Do you want to see Shepard's more emotional side in ME3? Perhaps even seeing him shed a tear? We really haven't seen him vulnerable or breakdown as often... he deals with so much and he obviously needs to express his emotions... I think it can progress his character even further and will give the player a more satisfying experience...To understand Shepard fully, we need to see a whole range of his emotions. However we consistently see a few of them...Does Shepard get sad? Angry? Depressed?... What do you guys think? Any ideas? Maybe the LI can bring out a side of Shepard we haven't seen yet that doesn't involve sex? 

I've read every post in this thread so far and I got to say that I don't get  why some think of Shepard like JamieCOTC ( Cleverly put it )

Shep don't need no arms around him
Shep don't need to hugs to calm him
He's only out there fighting after all
Don't think he needs anything at all
No, don't think he needs anything at all
'Cause all he really is is just a brick in the wall.

Was Shep a 'brick in the wall' when he was having a drink with Dr.Chackwas?

Was Shepard a BITW when he was retrieving the Dog Tags of his fallen comrades on planet Alchera? (This was one of the most emotional mo ments in the game for me...)

Was he a bitw after his reunion with the Virmire Survivor (on Horizon) when afterwords Yeoman Chambers and Joker ask him is he okay?

Or when Liara T Soni encourages him to speak his mind and don't hold back: During their date in his Cabin on the Normandy SR 2 Post LOTSB...

Or when he was comforting Tali after she was to late to save her father on the Aleria.

Or when he ask Jacob how he's doing after what he learned about his father on the planet in the Alpha Draconis system.

Or  when he gives that awesome speech before his Band of Brothers and Sisters left  the Normandy SR- 2 to defeat the Collectors on their home turf and save his abducted crew members.

Shepard: "We don't know how many the Collectors have stolen -- thousands, hundreds of thousands.Its not important.What matters is this: Not one more.That's what we can do, here today.It ends with us.They want to know what were made of? I say we show them, on our terms.Let's bring our people home."

Contrary to what some might think, Shepard has never had "The emotional range of a teaspoon."  As Hermione Granger accused Ron Weasley of having...

Modifié par ubermensch007, 06 juillet 2011 - 07:15 .

[Mister Mida]

Well it's nice to know that the writing team is aware of the fans' wishes for a PC with more character, but I hope they don't go overboard with it. Do it right, as in not forced, not over the top, not melodramatic, in our control etc., or don't do it at all.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 06 juillet 2011 - 07:20 .

[Ryzaki]

I like my Shepard stoic.

Please don't trample over my characterization BW. It was bad enough in LotSB.

[Sheppard-Commander]

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

Well, let's be honest, the VA for Shepard is not the best in the industry.

I have to agree that Mark Meer is not that great of a VA.  His performance with the dialogue leading up to sex scene with Liara in ME1 was awfu.Now Jeniffer Hale on the other hand made the same dialogue just great. I think Hale is a much better VA than Meer, she makes even the dumbest dialogue bearable (the lead in to sex scene with Jacob for example) and she has the knack for making lines that Meer couldn't make funny no matter how hard he tries just hysterical (the "we gonna need bigger guns" line in ME1 and the dialogue between her and Liara during the sky car chase and the battle on the outside of the ship in LotSB are just a few examples). She can make feamle Shepard sound like a nice or funny woman or the meanest b!tch in the galaxy. Meer makes male Shepard just sounds like an idiot.

Not that it doesnt fit with all the stupid facial expressions Shepard makes. Anyone else notice and get really annoyed when he accidentally crosses his eyes after sniping the droid on Archangel's recruitment mission?

"One less now though." *eyes going in totally opposite directions*