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[Raizo]

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

Raizo wrote...

It does seem that way. And unless I missed somthing there have been alot of games recently that have shown quite alot of skin and I don't remember hearing any contorvery about those.

I don't particularly need to see any naughty bits in ME3 but I do feel that ME2's love/sex scenes were lacking in intimacy and in some cases felt very crude and badly acated out. I do miss ME1's love/sex scene and would take somthing like that over "The Witcher 2"s pixelated shagging any day.

Have you actually played Witcher 2? The sex scene (singular) in my playthrough was - unlike the ones in Mass Effect 2 - integrated into the story, in the context of a fully developed relationship (vs. a "congradulations you have survived the trek through Miranda's dialogue tree - here is a sex scene that is never brought up again in any kind of depth."), and actually tells you something about the characters and the world they live in. But it has (OMIGAWSH) boobies in it, so it must be shallow, right?

The other game I think Mass Effect should be taking notes from is Prince of Persia: Sands of Time, which does the same thing - making sure the sex scene in the story works with and further develops the plot, characters, and relationship.

Sorry, I did not mean to imply that Witcher 2 sex scenes were just gratuitous nudity, I do like the idea having a fully developed "relationship" with someone and having it play a role in the story.

What I meant to say was that in ME1 it is very obvious that Shepard is making love to his/her LI. ME2's sex scenes feel like a cheesy PG13 dating sim. As for Witcher 2's sex scenes, when watched out of context the only thing that is apparent is that there is a lot of humping and groaning and ******'s. I would prefer more cuddling in ME3 to say a naked breast or nipple shots myself. I want to feel that my Shepard  is in love with his/her LI and that they are in a proper relationship. I also want Bioware to tackle these romances in a proper adult way, ME2's love scenes were just 1 step away from Fable 2/Fable 3's cheesy sex scenes with the fade to black, the  dodgy voice overs and the cringe worthy music in the background.

[rapscallioness]

The love scene in ME1 was just right...for me. I'm not interested in seeing anything more explicit than that. For me it's more about getting the emotional connection right. And that's got to be hard in a video game (no pun intended).

I thought the Emotional build up in ME1 was better. So, when it went down, it was really sweet and romantic. In ME2 the emotion was missing. I hope in ME3 Bioware emphasizes the emotional build up and tension rather than adding more boobies. It's not the same. If it doesn't pull my heart strings, I feel like..who cares?

[fenix8081]

I know what it is...interspecies sex. That has to be why it's more controversial than some of the other graphic sex scenes in rated-M games. Must creep crazy conservatives out more than s/s fornication.

[Lucifer_Cheney]

I thought with the exception of Jack, the "love" scenes for Shep were either tasteless (Miranda) or awkward (Tali). I still can't get over Miranda's line: "I cleared the engine room" that kicks off the scene. I wish there was asarcastically-written line for Shep to reply with, such as: "No ****, the Collectors cleared the engine room".

Modifié par Lucifer_Cheney, 02 juillet 2011 - 07:41 .

[fenix8081]

rapscallioness wrote...

The love scene in ME1 was just right...for me. I'm not interested in seeing anything more explicit than that. For me it's more about getting the emotional connection right. And that's got to be hard in a video game (no pun intended).

I thought the Emotional build up in ME1 was better. So, when it went down, it was really sweet and romantic. In ME2 the emotion was missing. I hope in ME3 Bioware emphasizes the emotional build up and tension rather than adding more boobies. It's not the same. If it doesn't pull my heart strings, I feel like..who cares?

I agree.  If the complete and utter annihilation of all space-faring species in the universe isn't enough of an impetus for developing a deep relationship, I'm not sure what is.  That means more than just sex, because at this point Shepard has known his/her love interest for a pretty good amount of time.  Instead of heat of the moment sex, the focus for LIs in ME3 should be on the depth of their relationship with Shepard, which means more than just a few short conversations and an implied romp.

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

kumquats wrote...

But I don't need this for ME because I want to ME to be about building a deeper relationship.
But remember, if you want naked asari, you will have to see naked Garrus as well.
Equality, Ladys and Gentlemen

Haha naked Garrus sounds terrifying. It's not the "naked dude" thing, it's the "plucked chicken" thing

But yeah, I think that ME romances (if we grant that they should exist at all, but that's a discussion for another thread) should absolutely be about relationships/characters/story vs. titillation. That's actually what I liked about the TW2 Triss/Geralt romance - that story can stand on its own with or without the nudity. So it's not more nudity that I want, but more character development and more integration of sex into the storyline as a whole. DA:O I felt did a pretty good job of this as well, although the sex scenes themselves were monumentally silly (and fortunately skippable haha.)

Raizo wrote...
What I meant to say was that in ME1 it is very
obvious that Shepard is making love to his/her LI. ME2's sex scenes feel
like a cheesy PG13 dating sim. As for Witcher 2's sex scenes, when
watched out of context the only thing that is apparent is that there is a
lot of humping and groaning and ******'s. I would prefer more cuddling in
ME3 to say a naked breast or nipple shots myself. I want to feel that my
Shepard  is in love with his/her LI and that they are in a proper
relationship. I also want Bioware to tackle these romances in a proper
adult way, ME2's love scenes were just 1 step away from Fable 2/Fable
3's cheesy sex scenes with the fade to black, the  dodgy voice overs and
the cringe worthy music in the background.

No disagreement there. Regardless of what we think about "mature content" in the sense of T&A, I think we can all agree that "mature content" in the sense of character development and fully realized relationships is something we absolutely want.

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

Lucifer_Cheney wrote...
I wish there was asarcastically-written line for Shep to reply with, such as: "No ****, the Collectors cleared the engine room".

Now that is a Renegade interrupt I would like to see. Make it happen, Bioware.

[rft]

There was no problem with the ME1 romance sceanes. If you ever did look in depth into the Fox News incident, you would see that the person making the accusations aplogized and said that
"the sceans are no worse then a romance scean from an episode of Lost." Also, Duke Nukem Forever just came out and I never heared any big controversy. I'm pretty sure Bioware would be safe if they put the romance sceans like they were in ME1. (partial nudity)

[jbblue05]

What's the point of giving women these amazing bodies but you can't see any boobs or their ass.. But its O.K. to see a guys breast and a broodmother's boobs.

I'm not asking Bioware to show sex organs or anything, but come on other games have the balls to show some boobs.

Modifié par jbblue05, 02 juillet 2011 - 09:36 .

[AngelicMachinery]

jbblue05 wrote...

What's the point of giving women these amazing bodies but you can't see any boobs or their ass.. But its O.K. to see a guys breast and a broodmother's boobs.

I'm not asking Bioware to show sex organs or anything, but come on other games have the balls to show some boobs.

I'm not entirely sure what your getting at...?

[Romudeth]

I'm going to have to agree with most people on this thread. Bring back the ME1 style romance scenes. The characters had their clothes off but clever camera work made sure that you didn't see anything graphic. This was perfect imo and I hope that this returns in ME3 and future Bioware games.

[VegasVance]

slimgrin wrote...

I agree with you op, but Bioware's version of mature has always been PG-13. I doubt that will change.

If they pour in more Gears of War it just might.

[Melra]

The scenes for DA2 and DA:O were just ridiculous. I liked the ME1 ones and well ME2 one wasn't too shabby, I was more annoyed by the lack of interaction afterwards. I've only romanced Miranda in ME2 and never plan to romance anyone else, so.. I don't see what's the problem with it.

Though if I had to choose between ME1 style scene and ME2, I'd choose ME1, depending how the build up goes, if it's just... quick ''Hey let's bang'' and really short rapidly changing scenes, then I couldn't care less. It doesn't need to show much (More than DA2, but still) nor does it have to last over 1-2 mins, just as long as the build up is right.

As someone else said, the emotional connection is really mportant part, at least for me. Else it just feels and seems really really awkward.

[fenix8081]

As long as the cuddling is not like the cuddling in Shepard's cabin post-suicide mission. That was disturbing no matter who the LI was.

[BatmanPWNS]

The romance scenes in ME3 should be more like ME1 than ME2. Seriously I am not even sure If I did anything much with Jack.

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

Melrache wrote...

The scenes for DA2 and DA:O were just ridiculous.

Morrigan: 'Tis cold in my tent, all alone.
Warden: Well, we can't have that.
Morrigan: So you shall come to my tent? But whatever shall we do in that tiny space together all alone?
Warden: I'm sure I'll think of something...
Morrigan: WAIT LET ME PUT ON A BRA FIRST

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

fenix8081 wrote...

As long as the cuddling is not like the cuddling in Shepard's cabin post-suicide mission. That was disturbing no matter who the LI was.

Truth. Uncanny valley + complete silence =

[Inspectre]

OmegaXI wrote...

romance scenes

Sex scenes! They're called sex scenes!  Romance does not always equal sex!!!
Frakking Bioware...<_<

[Good Chaos7]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Didn't a tweet say they were going to make the scenes more akin to ME1?

oooooh! Who tweeted that! Is there a link? :happy:

[Puzzlewell]

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

Melrache wrote...

The scenes for DA2 and DA:O were just ridiculous.

Morrigan: 'Tis cold in my tent, all alone.
Warden: Well, we can't have that.
Morrigan: So you shall come to my tent? But whatever shall we do in that tiny space together all alone?
Warden: I'm sure I'll think of something...
Morrigan: WAIT LET ME PUT ON A BRA FIRST

Thank you for making me burst out laughing. DAO's really were ridiculous. It felt like they were trying to find a happy medium after the whole ME1 thing, but it just came off being hilarious instead of tender. 

Modifié par CalamityRanger, 02 juillet 2011 - 10:58 .

[Good Chaos7]

kumquats wrote...

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

Have you actually played Witcher 2? The sex scene (singular) in my playthrough was - unlike the ones in Mass Effect 2 - integrated into the story, in the context of a fully developed relationship (vs. a "congradulations you have survived the trek through Miranda's dialogue tree - here is a sex scene that is never brought up again in any kind of depth."), and actually tells you something about the characters and the world they live in. But it has (OMIGAWSH) boobies in it, so it must be shallow, right?

The other game I think Mass Effect should be taking notes from is Prince of Persia: Sands of Time, which does the same thing - making sure the sex scene in the story works with and further develops the plot, characters, and relationship.

There are 5 different of those scenes in TW2 and one is maybe if you choose out of love for Triss, the rest have nothing to do with love. And don't want to say those scenes weren't tasteful, I think they did a good job.
But I don't need this for ME because I want to ME to be about building a deeper relationship.
But remember, if you want naked asari, you will have to see naked Garrus as well.
Equality, Ladys and Gentlemen

That's Right!

I was so disappointed that all I got was a headbump...

Modifié par Good Chaos7, 02 juillet 2011 - 10:37 .

[goofyomnivore]

I don't really care what they do, as long as the scenes capture romance and passion, and believe it or not that can be done with pants on or off. However I do believe the ME1 scenes were more romantic than the ME2 scenes. DA:O sucked other than the "Dark Promise" scene, which I thought was pretty well done. DA:2 I've only seen Merrill and Isabela's. Merrill's kind of sucked because of the neck/underwear "issue". Isabelas' wasn't bad nor anything special.

Modifié par strive, 02 juillet 2011 - 10:50 .

[Inutaisho7996]

I don't think they were weaker at all. The Pre-Suicide Mission scenes were much stronger emotionally than any of the Pre-Mu Relay scenes.

Garrus and Shepard touching foreheads then fading to black says much more about the feelings they have for each other than naked Shepard on top of Kaidan. Any nudity wouldn't have enhanced the scene. It would have been unnecessary and gratuidous.

A lot of people point towards The Witcher 2 for having better sex than Mass Effect, but TW2 didn't handle sex maturely. It was just a few awkward cuts to people humping in different positions; I don't want to see that in Mass Effect. The only exception being when Geralt wakes up next to Triss. The way they look at each other when they wake up says a lot about their relationship. That's what sex scenes between Shepard and his/her love interest should do: reinforce the characters' romance. Not titilate the audiance.


Edit:

Dragon XIX wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...

romance scenes

Sex scenes! They're called sex scenes!  Romance does not always equal sex!!!
Frakking Bioware...

This is exactly what I was talking about. The scenes should show romance, not sex. Sex can be a part of romance, but it doesn't have to be.

Modifié par Inutaisho7996, 02 juillet 2011 - 11:04 .