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[Faerlyte]

I don't need to see anybody naked. Call me odd, but I feel like I'm imposing or something. I don't want to watch Shepard going at it with his/her LI anymore than I'd want somebody to watch me doing it... It's meaningful for the two people involved (one hopes), sure, but showcasing it to the world serves no purpose but to titillate an audience. I like to give my characters a little privacy.

Suggestion can be a wonderful thing. You don't need to show everything.

[Siansonea]

slimgrin wrote...

They don't have to show nipples and such. But if a romance is to go anywhere, they should leave clothing out of it, even if it's just a figure seated on a bed in the nude, viewed from behind, so that we're all safe from the dangerous views.

Showing Shepard cuddling in body armor was just lazy on their part.

There are a number of ways two naked people can be shown being intimate together that is beautiful and tasteful. Just having them standing, embracing each other, looking into each other's eyes and saying the right things could be done wonderfully. You might even see some sideboob, or somebody's butt. Okay, no big deal, it doesn't take you out of the emotional tone of the scene. LI gets to say what's on their mind, Shepard gets to respond, they banter, they laugh, they show that they're two people who matter to each other. And when they start to really get to the real sexual aspect of the encounter, how about a nice 'fade to black'? We can fill in the rest.

It doesn't have to be hardcore to be mature, I guess is the point I'm trying to make.

[XX55XX]

Siansonea II wrote...

Whenever anyone points to the Witcher 2 as an example of a "mature" way of handling romance, I just have to laugh. It's only "mature" if you're a 16-year-old male virgin. Anyone with any real maturity realizes it's just an opportunity for the developers to showcase nude female T&A for teen boys to ****** to. Shyeah, real mature. I certainly hope BioWare doesn't take a page from Witcher's 2's book, or should I say magazine.

Now nudity doesn't bother me per se. I thought the nudity in Heavy Rain and L.A. Noire wasn't gratuitous at all, and was handled appropriately. But Triss was Female Objectification 101, and Geralt was Douchebag Male Self-Insert 101, and that combo does NOT appeal to me. Whatever redeeming qualities that game may or may not have will be forever unknown to me, after seeing the much-lauded "romance" scenes that were the talk of the town around here—no thanks. If that's what passes for mature to you kiddies, you can keep it, and keep at it. A well-done romance something should engage your emotions, not your libido. And honestly I can't think of anything more ridiculous and boring that watching two digital characters humping.

Although I agree with this sentiment, people were really applauding The Witcher 2 not for its depiction of a deep, emotionally-involving relationship between Triss and Geralt, but rather, applauding it for its willingness to show such content in a computer game, and with such gusto.

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

Elessara wrote...

The romance is only relevant if you actually care about your supposed LI. As I recall, the game gave me little reason to care about Triss other than telling me I should care about her and even forcing me into being in a relationship with her in the 2nd game. I have almost no background information about Triss - I know little enough about her or her beliefs or her reasons for doing things.

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That's because Witcher 2 isn't a Bioware game - you personally may or may not like a particular character, but the character is written to tell a good story, not as fanservice*. Triss is supposed to be somewhat ambiguous, and you as the player may or may not trust her (and, depending on your choices, Geralt might or might not). Think Sands of Time.

*the nudity, on the other hand, is absolutely fanservice. But I'd rather have a game try to cater to a desire for titillation I don't have than try to cater to a desire for emotional attachment to a character I don't have. Ideally, however, the game wouldn't do either.

Modifié par DaveExclamationMarkYognaut, 03 juillet 2011 - 03:44 .

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

XX55XX wrote...

Although I agree with this sentiment, people were really applauding The Witcher 2 not for its depiction of a deep, emotionally-involving relationship between Triss and Geralt, but rather, applauding it for its willingness to show such content in a computer game, and with such gusto.

I'm kind of the reverse. Witcher 2 is one of the rare games (Sands of Time being another, and Dragon Age: Origins arguably being a third) that include a romance between two characters who exhibit agency in the plot, and make that aspect of their relationship work in the context of the characters and the story as a whole. That's very unusual. The nudity was honestly kind of annoying.

[slimgrin]

I agree a Witcher style 'romance' would be out of place in Mass Effect. Two different games with radically different approaches to adult content. I still think Bioware needs to step it up a notch though.

[Roachbugg]

Siansonea II wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

They don't have to show nipples and such. But if a romance is to go anywhere, they should leave clothing out of it, even if it's just a figure seated on a bed in the nude, viewed from behind, so that we're all safe from the dangerous views.

Showing Shepard cuddling in body armor was just lazy on their part.

There are a number of ways two naked people can be shown being intimate together that is beautiful and tasteful. Just having them standing, embracing each other, looking into each other's eyes and saying the right things could be done wonderfully. You might even see some sideboob, or somebody's butt. Okay, no big deal, it doesn't take you out of the emotional tone of the scene. LI gets to say what's on their mind, Shepard gets to respond, they banter, they laugh, they show that they're two people who matter to each other. And when they start to really get to the real sexual aspect of the encounter, how about a nice 'fade to black'? We can fill in the rest.

It doesn't have to be hardcore to be mature, I guess is the point I'm trying to make.

this ^. movies have been doing it for years it i really not hard to show two naked individuals without showing any thing.

Example

^ good example of a tastful scene between two men. actually two men is easy just keep the camera above the waist.

EDIT: Example

Modifié par Roachbugg, 03 juillet 2011 - 04:07 .

[Davie McG]

No one would blink if it was a film. I don't understand the problem people have with nudity in games when It's common fare in film.

As long as it isn't nakedness for the sake of wanting to perv at a character, although I'd say that in regards to both films and games.

[slimgrin]

Davie McG wrote...

No one would blink if it was a film. I don't understand the problem people have with nudity in games when It's common fare in film.

As long as it isn't nakedness for the sake of wanting to perv at a character, although I'd say that in regards to both films and games.

[Roachbugg]

Its another problem is parents not payoing attention to game ratings. I vomit every time im on call of duty or halo or any game rated M and hear some 8 to 12 year old kid come on. Its not a baby sitting tool.

[AngelicMachinery]

Roachbugg wrote...

Its another problem is parents not payoing attention to game ratings. I vomit every time im on call of duty or halo or any game rated M and hear some 8 to 12 year old kid come on. Its not a baby sitting tool.

Those kids are foul!  They've got the mouths of drunk truckers... 

[Roachbugg]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Roachbugg wrote...

Its another problem is parents not payoing attention to game ratings. I vomit every time im on call of duty or halo or any game rated M and hear some 8 to 12 year old kid come on. Its not a baby sitting tool.

Those kids are foul!  They've got the mouths of drunk truckers... 

bad parenting at its maximum i will say my father had bad parenting skill but alteast my grandparents kept me in line.

[Davie McG]

To be fair it's not like kids don't sneak into 18 rated films at the pictures, although I agree parent's should pay more attention to ratings.

However I think the vast majority of people playing mass effect 3 are adults, and compared to other games under age kids play this one isn't going to traumatise anyone.

[Roachbugg]

I agree come on bioware we all know whats behind those clothes take em off.

[Destroy Raiden_]

The rating systems are all off too I mean some work as they were printed but others do not. I find M games that should be T and T's that should be M we've become our own board and will play all games before our kids do and judge it that way on a variety of fields then if we feel it's fine they get it if not they better not touch it or else. We'll revisit the games as they get older and allow them to play previously hands off titles as we feel they're ready to handle the social and mental subjects of the games.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 03 juillet 2011 - 04:26 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Roachbugg wrote...

I agree come on bioware we all know whats behind those clothes take em off.

With the inclusion of aliens do we REALLY know what's behind the clothes?

[Roachbugg]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Roachbugg wrote...

I agree come on bioware we all know whats behind those clothes take em off.

With the inclusion of aliens do we REALLY know what's behind the clothes?

We MOSTLY know whats behind them clothes

[MACharlie1]

If the game is already rated M, then the little kids shouldn't matter - they shouldn't even factor into the equation. There's a rating system there for a reason. Parent complains? Point to the rating and tell them to ****** off.

Doesn't the ratings say WHY also? Both Mass Effect and Dragon Age say Sexual Content and Partial Nudity. Parents: use your brains. 

Modifié par MACharlie1, 03 juillet 2011 - 04:30 .

[Siansonea]

MACharlie1 wrote...

If the game is already rated M, then the little kids shouldn't matter - they shouldn't even factor into the equation. There's a rating system there for a reason. Parent complains? Point to the rating and tell them to ****** off.

Doesn't the ratings say WHY also? Both Mass Effect and Dragon Age say Sexual Content and Partial Nudity. Parents: use your brains. 

If they were able to do that, they wouldn't be parents. (I'm kidding, geez...)

[fenix8081]

I agree with the fade to black and leaving it to the player's imagination. As someone posted above, they wondered if they even did anything with Jack and that's the beauty of it. If they wanted something to have happened then they can think it did. Personally, I'd rather think my Shep didn't do anything other than comfort her since Jack obviously has issues with sex. Either way we both win, and I think the fade to black allows for that.

However, would I be opposed to seeing tasteful partial nudity, particularly with alien species...yeah, I think I would.

[Volandrius]

Faerlyte wrote...

I don't need to see anybody naked. Call me odd, but I feel like I'm imposing or something. I don't want to watch Shepard going at it with his/her LI anymore than I'd want somebody to watch me doing it... It's meaningful for the two people involved (one hopes), sure, but showcasing it to the world serves no purpose but to titillate an audience. I like to give my characters a little privacy.

Suggestion can be a wonderful thing. You don't need to show everything.

^This.

[Good Chaos7]

MACharlie1 wrote...

If the game is already rated M, then the little kids shouldn't matter - they shouldn't even factor into the equation. There's a rating system there for a reason. Parent complains? Point to the rating and tell them to ****** off.

Doesn't the ratings say WHY also? Both Mass Effect and Dragon Age say Sexual Content and Partial Nudity. Parents: use your brains. 

<3 ^ This <3

[VirtualStranger]

In my opinion, neither Mass Effect game actually deserves an M rating. I seriously think that these games would be appropriate for a 13 year old.

[FuriousAngel24]

I would like the romance scene to last long than what, 1 1/2 minutes? Also would like to have multiple romance scenes with LI. And I agree with some of you in here, I don't need to see them naked.

[shepskisaac]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Roachbugg wrote...
I agree come on bioware we all know whats behind those clothes take em off.

With the inclusion of aliens do we REALLY know what's behind the clothes?

The real question is, with the inclusion of aliens do we REALLY want to know what's behind the clothes?