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[Garrison2009]

The title to this thread pretty much says it all. My theory is that Tali will be given her father's postion in the fleet, as Admiral of the Rayya. Going from this, getting her exiled is probably a very bad idea, as she will be unable to take a seat as one of the Admirals and in turn will not be able to use the Quarian Fleet to aid you against the Reapers. Also, the whole fight between her and Legion is I believe of the utmost importance, as, if you can make peace between them, she will probably be in favor of making peace with the Geth and you'll have two fleets for the price of one, so to speak.

What do you all think? Is Tali Admiral material or would you vouch for someone else to take her father's place instead? What about possibly even Kal'Reegar becoming her advisor (if he's alive)? Please, leave a comment and tell me what you think.

[KainrycKarr]

Well, I'm guessing no, since she's been confirmed as a squadmember.

From a lore standpoint, as much as I Tali, she's a terrible leader, and is far too young.

It just doesn't make any sense, story or gameplay wise. Maybe as part of the epilogue or something, but during the events of ME3 she's still just too young and unskilled in leadership.

[Garrison2009]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Well, I'm guessing no, since she's been confirmed as a squadmember.

From a lore standpoint, as much as I Tali, she's a terrible leader, and is far too young.

It just doesn't make any sense, story or gameplay wise. Maybe as part of the epilogue or something, but during the events of ME3 she's still just too young and unskilled in leadership.

I honestly dont agree. I'm not a Talimancer but I believe that she does have both the knowledge and skill with her people as well as the leadership ability needed. Not only that, Mass Effect 3, as has been stated before, is about total galactic war. In war time, people are called to perform above and beyond the 'norm' for them, thus I find the possibility that Tali will assume her father's role, very likely. They set both her and Legion's loyalty missions up for just this kind of plot twist. Not only that, but it has been released by Bioware, on one of their Twitter updates, that Tali might not be with Shepard thorugh the whole game. This even further convinces me that my theory is correct.

Modifié par Garrison2009, 02 juillet 2011 - 05:59 .

[eternalnightmare13]

Christina Norman tweeted that squad mates won't work the same as the previous two games, so I think it's possible Tali could be an admiral and partake in game play.

In ME1 Tali says she could never see herself being on the Admirality board nor is she an heir to the board just because of her father. The quarian society doesn't work like that.

However she did help defeat geth/Soverign/Saren in ME1 so that could give her some clout. But she's never been in charge of a ship and got the majority of her people killed under her command. If it weren't for Shepard showing up she probably would've died, too. Tali is much like Garrus in that she's a good support staff/sidekick but not capable of doing much good on her own.

Given the nature of the trial in ME2 I think that if they make her an admiral it'll be a token gesture to appease the people that admire her for what she did during the Battle of the Citadel. I don't think she'd have any real power.

[Destroy Raiden_]

I could see the flotilla doing this as a political stunt for Tali but she's no leader, she's a follower and is most comfortable in this role. She wouldn't want to be in such a position and sense she's had very little leadership experience I don't see how she would be able to pull off being a successful Admiral. Also don't you need to be a captain before you're given Admiral status or is there an existing case were a citizen was given Admiral status for the board?

[Knight of Dane]

I very much doubt that.

Considering she can die..
If she's an admiral, then the role can't be anything big, at best something like Wrex' role.

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

Probably not. Doesn't she have a habit of getting her people killed, anyway?

[bleetman]

I don't know. Whilst I can obviously appreciate the difference between the two roles, placing her in command of a suicide mission fireteam is a disaster.

[Big_Stupid_Jelly]

Garrison2009 wrote...

The title to this thread pretty much says it all. My theory is that Tali will be given her father's postion in the fleet, as Admiral of the Rayya. Going from this, getting her exiled is probably a very bad idea, as she will be unable to take a seat as one of the Admirals and in turn will not be able to use the Quarian Fleet to aid you against the Reapers. Also, the whole fight between her and Legion is I believe of the utmost importance, as, if you can make peace between them, she will probably be in favor of making peace with the Geth and you'll have two fleets for the price of one, so to speak.

What do you all think? Is Tali Admiral material or would you vouch for someone else to take her father's place instead? What about possibly even Kal'Reegar becoming her advisor (if he's alive)? Please, leave a comment and tell me what you think.

I can't see how she can be an Admiral really. I usually get her exiled and don't mention the evidence at the trial so don't know what happens if I do. The thing is the Quarian Admiral finds out anyway afterwards, so I can't see them welcoming her back with open arms really.

Also isn't she a little young to be on the Admiralty Board? She isn't a Joan of Arc or Alexander like Military genius, though she's good in a skirmish,

[BioWareM0d13]

I hope not.

I love Star Wars, but Mass Effect shouldn't take a page out of Star Wars' book and have people randomly be promoted to General or Admiral, regardless of whether they have any previous experience in command. Also if Tali were to get that position it would be based on nothing but genetics. She's far too young and unproven to be a General or Admiral. If she's given any rank at all in ME3, it should be the Quarian equivalent of a 2nd Lieutenant or Ensign.

Also her record as a combat leader so far has been rather poor so far. She's has not shown the necessarily skillset to be commanding whole fleets.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 02 juillet 2011 - 06:27 .

[mineralica]

First of all, she'll become Tali'Zorah vas something (vas Alarei, since it was her father's ship, maybe?) nar Rayya, not just Tali'Zorah nar Rayya.
Second, I haven't heard that Tali is a good leader - and even that Tali is looking forward to become a leader. She's tech genius, she's very caring person... but sadly, it's not enough to become a good political leader. I just don't see Tali trading grey for grey or separating her judgement from her heart (say, sending someone to sure death to win in tempo and tactical position). Speaking honestly, I'm not so eager to see that changes in her.

[Garrison2009]

Once again I state, this is war that's coming. A war unlike anything that we've seen in the ME universe. Literally Tali may have to take her father's position, as she said in Mass Effect 2 that some were thinking of her for the role, or someone else less sympathetic to Shepard's cause will. I believe that if Tali does not assume this role that there will be such chaos amongst the Quarian people, because of their in-fighting over the Geth, that they will be practically useless when the time comes.

And secondly, those of you who say that Tali lacks the leadership skill... I honestly dont know how you can play the second game and say that. You see, for the first time, that she has a more mature and serious side to her there. The mission on Haestrom also did not fail as a result of her poor leadership. It failed because they were heavily outnumbered, had no reinforcements, and... no offense... but they're all Quarians. They get so much as a slight graze from a bullet and they can die from an infection.

[Patchwork]

Eventually sure, I can see her on the Admiralty Board when she's older and more experienced, been captain of a ship perhaps.

But as of ME3 it's only been 2-3 years since she returned from her pilgrimage. It's a little too soon to be putting her in such a position of power.

[Big_Stupid_Jelly]

Garrison2009 wrote...

Once again I state, this is war that's coming. A war unlike anything that we've seen in the ME universe. Literally Tali may have to take her father's position, as she said in Mass Effect 2 that some were thinking of her for the role, or someone else less sympathetic to Shepard's cause will. I believe that if Tali does not assume this role that there will be such chaos amongst the Quarian people, because of their in-fighting over the Geth, that they will be practically useless when the time comes.

And secondly, those of you who say that Tali lacks the leadership skill... I honestly dont know how you can play the second game and say that. You see, for the first time, that she has a more mature and serious side to her there. The mission on Haestrom also did not fail as a result of her poor leadership. It failed because they were heavily outnumbered, had no reinforcements, and... no offense... but they're all Quarians. They get so much as a slight graze from a bullet and they can die from an infection.

Rank isn't hereditary, well not since Kings stopped having devine rights anyway.

[KainrycKarr]

Where did she display leadership? Sorry, she just hasn't done anything to show that she's admiralty material. A valued and productive member of society, sure, but an admiral? Nope. Not yet, at least.

[XX55XX]

As much as I love Tali, I would hate to see this happening. It's completely out of character. How many young captains and admirals do the Quarians have? None, if any. 

Additionally, as others have said, she lacks the experience to make hard decisions on behalf of her people. She's too young. 

[KainrycKarr]

Arcian wrote...

I'm not a big fan of Tali, but her character is perfectly justifiable from what we've seen in ME2. I don't like it, but it's not a deal-breaker. I can live with it.

Making her an Admiral, however, is literally the single most retarded idea I have ever heard, and one I will zealously object to at every given point, no matter how much it infuriates the Talimancers. She is a TERRIBLE leader. She couldn't even lead a horde of lemmings over a cliff properly without killing half of them on the way there.

Let her do her thing in the engine-room where she is comfortable and knows what to do. Stop the retarded nepotism and give her a goddamn break - she's not cut out to be an Admiral, and if BioWare are smart about it, she never will be.

Here's me hoping my trust vested in them is justified.

You realize most of us actually agree with you on this, right?

[CroGamer002]

No, no and no.

Absolutely NO!

NO!!!

[CERBERUSDEMAN]

I would have to say no for the fact the position isn't past down through children like Tali says in ME1 also if anything she would replace Han'Gerrel vas Neema because the Neema is her 'home' ship in the fleet after she completed her pilgrimage.

[ADLegend21]

YES. I fully support Tali being an admiral, she needs to be her own qoman, not hang onto Shepar'ds coatails. Same goes for Garrus, go captain a ship and reach your full potential!!!!!

[outmane]

What i can see happening is Shep being forced to choose:
*harder relaitons with the Quarians and need to find other allies (specially if you sided with the geths)
in other words a set back on your way to dealing with the Reapers
or
*Helping Tali into the Amiralty so she can make sure you get what you need

Would you do it if it meant easier time with the Reapers ?

[Big_Stupid_Jelly]

Wouldn't she need to be a ship's Captain first, any ship i'm not choosy, otherwise it's like being a Sgt or Lieutenant then becoming a General overnight.