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[Patchwork]

Arcian wrote...

Big_Stupid_Jelly wrote...

Wouldn't she need to be a ship's Captain first, any ship i'm not choosy, otherwise it's like being a Sgt or Lieutenant then becoming a General overnight.

I'm not sure she's ready for that, either.

In fact, if Shep resolves the quarian-geth conflict in ME3 and allows the quarians to settle either Rannoch or a new homeworld, I doubt she will ever get the chance to be either a captain OR an admiral.

Thankfully.

I imagine the Quarians would keep their current political structure for several generations whilst establishing a colony. Enclaves instead of ships and former captains being their representative.

And then they have a civil war...and call it a revolution if the civilians win.

Modifié par Ser Bard, 02 juillet 2011 - 08:07 .

[Garrison2009]

ADLegend21 wrote...

YES. I fully support Tali being an admiral, she needs to be her own qoman, not hang onto Shepar'ds coatails. Same goes for Garrus, go captain a ship and reach your full potential!!!!!

lol, well at least somebody agrees with me on this one. Honestly, they've been setting the story up for this plot twist since Tali's loyalty mission. It just perfectly all works. Granted Tali may not be what we would think of as a leader, but I think that if the position were given to her, she would rise to the occasion.

I dont know why so many are infuriated by this idea. I personally would be very happy for Tali. She loves her people and she would do anything to protect them. She's no politician, but from how the other Admirals acted in her trial, they've got more than enough of those in there. tali is the perfect balance to them, and if she can prove to the rest of the galaxy the usefulness of the Quarian people (Once again) by aiding in the fight against the Reaper Invasion, she may very well go on to be the leader of the Quarians, not to mention the one that brings about peace with the Geth and in turn the return of her people to their homeworld.

Modifié par Garrison2009, 02 juillet 2011 - 08:14 .

[VegasVance]

I'd personally shoot her in the face if she tried to take command of the migrant fleet. She lets her emotions ruin her logic.

[Garrison2009]

VegasVance wrote...

I'd personally shoot her in the face if she tried to take command of the migrant fleet. She lets her emotions ruin her logic.

Then you sir are not only dishonorable but obviously dont care about the character at all... I detect a Cerberus operative here...

And she may not try to TAKE control of the migrant fleet. It might be forced upon her. She's a hero to her people remember? And they were talking about her taking her father's position... They might simply elect her to the role.

Modifié par Garrison2009, 02 juillet 2011 - 08:24 .

[XX55XX]

Garrison2009 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

YES. I fully support Tali being an admiral, she needs to be her own qoman, not hang onto Shepar'ds coatails. Same goes for Garrus, go captain a ship and reach your full potential!!!!!

lol, well at least somebody agrees with me on this one. Honestly, they've been setting the story up for this plot twist since Tali's loyalty mission. It just perfectly all works. Granted Tali may not be what we would think of as a leader, but I think that if the position were given to her, she would rise to the occasion.

I dont know why so many are infuriated by this idea. I personally would be very happy for Tali. She loves her people and she would do anything to protect them. She's no politician, but from how the other Admirals acted in her trial, they've got more than enough of those in there. tali is the perfect balance to them, and if she can prove to the rest of the galaxy the usefulness of the Quarian people (Once again) by aiding in the fight against the Reaper Invasion, she may very well go on to be the leader of the Quarians, not to mention the one that brings about peace with the Geth and in turn the return of her people to their homeworld.

Do you see any other twenty-something year old admirals or captains serving the flotilla? No. There is a reason why generals and other military leaders are not automatically created - such positions require experience, and Tali, despite her worldliness, has never been put in a situation where she has to make a difficult decision, decisions that effect more than a squad of marines or a group of people - decisions that effect an entire race.

And I am saying this as a hardcore Tali fan. Being an admiral is not her. Now, if the Quarians promote her as an aide-de-camp of sorts to the admiralty board, then something like that might be a bit more palatable.

Modifié par XX55XX, 02 juillet 2011 - 08:26 .

[VegasVance]

Garrison2009 wrote...

VegasVance wrote...

I'd personally shoot her in the face if she tried to take command of the migrant fleet. She lets her emotions ruin her logic.

Then you sir are not only dishonorable but obviously dont care about the character at all... I detect a Cerberus operative here...

The two squads she let get killed under her command tell me I'd be doing the fleet a damn favor.  The fact she tries to kill Legion tells me I'd be doing a favor for geth and quarian peace.  I detect someone who's infatuation with a character overides thier common sense. 
 

[Garrison2009]

VegasVance wrote...

Garrison2009 wrote...

VegasVance wrote...

I'd personally shoot her in the face if she tried to take command of the migrant fleet. She lets her emotions ruin her logic.

Then you sir are not only dishonorable but obviously dont care about the character at all... I detect a Cerberus operative here...

The two squads she let get killed under her command tell me I'd be doing the fleet a damn favor.  The fact she tries to kill Legion tells me I'd be doing a favor for geth and quarian peace.  I detect someone who's infatuation with a character overides thier common sense. 
 

As I've stated before I'm not a Talimancer. I merely see this as a possible outcome. The Reapers, enormous unstoppable sentient dreadnoughts, are coming to exterminate every single living thing in the galaxy. The migrant fleet is going to need to be mobilized and Rael'Zorah's position is going to need to be filled. Who better to do so then someone that knows what they're going to be up against?

As for those two squads, once again, i state that there was literally no way they could've been saved. They were outnumbered, outgunned, and with no backup. If anyone is to balme for their deaths it's the Admiralty. They sent them on that mission which was, for all intended purposes, suicidal (Especially for Quarians).

And Tali's attempt to stop Legion was out of defense of her people. Legion had the exact some motives in attempting to forward the information he gathered to the rest of the Geth. But as Shepard, you control how that goes. If you can keep both their loyalties, my guess is that peace will be forged between the Geth and their creators ESPECIALLY if Tali is given some sort of position of power within the fleet.

[XX55XX]

Garrison2009 wrote...

VegasVance wrote...

Garrison2009 wrote...

VegasVance wrote...

I'd personally shoot her in the face if she tried to take command of the migrant fleet. She lets her emotions ruin her logic.

Then you sir are not only dishonorable but obviously dont care about the character at all... I detect a Cerberus operative here...

The two squads she let get killed under her command tell me I'd be doing the fleet a damn favor.  The fact she tries to kill Legion tells me I'd be doing a favor for geth and quarian peace.  I detect someone who's infatuation with a character overides thier common sense. 
 

As I've stated before I'm not a Talimancer. I merely see this as a possible outcome. The Reapers, enormous unstoppable sentient dreadnoughts, are coming to exterminate every single living thing in the galaxy. The migrant fleet is going to need to be mobilized and Rael'Zorah's position is going to need to be filled. Who better to do so then someone that knows what they're going to be up against?

The position could easily be filled by any of the captains serving the fleet.

Tali can always serve as an advisor/ambassador to the admiralty board.

[Garrison2009]

XX55XX wrote...

Garrison2009 wrote...

VegasVance wrote...

Garrison2009 wrote...

VegasVance wrote...

I'd personally shoot her in the face if she tried to take command of the migrant fleet. She lets her emotions ruin her logic.

Then you sir are not only dishonorable but obviously dont care about the character at all... I detect a Cerberus operative here...

The two squads she let get killed under her command tell me I'd be doing the fleet a damn favor.  The fact she tries to kill Legion tells me I'd be doing a favor for geth and quarian peace.  I detect someone who's infatuation with a character overides thier common sense. 
 

As I've stated before I'm not a Talimancer. I merely see this as a possible outcome. The Reapers, enormous unstoppable sentient dreadnoughts, are coming to exterminate every single living thing in the galaxy. The migrant fleet is going to need to be mobilized and Rael'Zorah's position is going to need to be filled. Who better to do so then someone that knows what they're going to be up against?

The position could easily be filled by any of the captains serving the fleet.

Tali can always serve as an advisor/ambassador to the admiralty board.

This is also a possible outcome. I'm not discounting that entirely, merely stating that given the state of the Admiralty board... which isnt all that great... They need someone who can unify them against the true enemy.

[VegasVance]

Garrison2009 wrote...
As I've stated before I'm not a Talimancer. I merely see this as a possible outcome. The Reapers, enormous unstoppable sentient dreadnoughts, are coming to exterminate every single living thing in the galaxy. The migrant fleet is going to need to be mobilized and Rael'Zorah's position is going to need to be filled. Who better to do so then someone that knows what they're going to be up against?

As for those two squads, once again, i state that there was literally no way they could've been saved. They were outnumbered, outgunned, and with no backup. If anyone is to balme for their deaths it's the Admiralty. They sent them on that mission which was, for all intended purposes, suicidal (Especially for Quarians).

And Tali's attempt to stop Legion was out of defense of her people. Legion had the exact some motives in attempting to forward the information he gathered to the rest of the Geth. But as Shepard, you control how that goes. If you can keep both their loyalties, my guess is that peace will be forged between the Geth and their creators ESPECIALLY if Tali is given some sort of position of power within the fleet.

1st Squad was fine, they sent her with a proper force.  All they knew was that the communcation had stopped.  However she should of had better control with Fraza, letting him run off like a nimbly bimbly pansy.
2nd Squad should of been a suicide mission due to it being in Geth Space, sending in more forces would of lead to getting only more corpses. 
Tali didn't need to shoot at legion when meeting, also she didn't need to esclate the situation in the first place.  Both of those situations demonstrate how she lets her rascim towards the geth would only lead to an unfavorable outcome if she gains a seat of power.  I'd much rather have the captain of the Quim-Quim settle the peace arrangement. 

[rft]

Tali DID say in ME2 that they were considering her to be an admiral of the fleet. (well if you made sure that she wasn't exiled she would say that)

[Garrison2009]

It depends. Once again, I believe that Shepard is the deciding factor here. As Shepard you can try and convince her that her views are wrong and, if you can gain both her and Legion's loyalty, then I really think she's well on her way to having a different view of the Geth.

As for her shooting at Legion when they first meet? Well let me see, she's on a planet where the Geth have been attacking her and her team for days relentlessly. She sees Shepard walk in with a Geth following behind him. Her first reaction? Shoot it. Right now. It's perfectly understandable and she cant really be blamed for simply trying to protect Shepard and herself.

[Garrison2009]

rft wrote...

Tali DID say in ME2 that they were considering her to be an admiral of the fleet. (well if you made sure that she wasn't exiled she would say that)

Exactly! See? this is what I've been trying to convey. Her being elected an Admiral is not all that far out there... People seem to really hate the idea for some reason however... Not sure why to be perfectly honest. Thought all the Tali fans would be jumping up and down with joy at this possible outcome.

[VegasVance]

Garrison2009 wrote...
As for her shooting at Legion when they first meet? Well let me see, she's on a planet where the Geth have been attacking her and her team for days relentlessly. She sees Shepard walk in with a Geth following behind him. Her first reaction? Shoot it. Right now. It's perfectly understandable and she cant really be blamed for simply trying to protect Shepard and herself.

A Geth that doesn't have a bead on Shep or her, and is just kinda standing there?

Geez, I'm glad more people don't share that mentality.  That whole shoot first ask questions later bit was supposed to been done by 1880.

[KainrycKarr]

Garrison2009 wrote...

rft wrote...

Tali DID say in ME2 that they were considering her to be an admiral of the fleet. (well if you made sure that she wasn't exiled she would say that)

Exactly! See? this is what I've been trying to convey. Her being elected an Admiral is not all that far out there... People seem to really hate the idea for some reason however... Not sure why to be perfectly honest. Thought all the Tali fans would be jumping up and down with joy at this possible outcome.

No, she said there had been people that thought she could be admiral. That's not the same as the admiralty board considering.

She lead the team on the Freedom's Progress; they didn't respect her command enough to obey orders. Not leadership material.

Some people said Donald Trump should be president; that doesn't mean it makes any kind of sense or is a good idea.

I hate the idea because Tali is not a tactician, not a politician, nor a leader, and has done nothing to show that she could be good at any of those things.

All Tali has proven is that she is capable in combat and capable as an engineer, two things that do not necessarily equate to being a good leader.

Modifié par KainrycKarr, 02 juillet 2011 - 09:00 .

[Garrison2009]

VegasVance wrote...

Garrison2009 wrote...
As for her shooting at Legion when they first meet? Well let me see, she's on a planet where the Geth have been attacking her and her team for days relentlessly. She sees Shepard walk in with a Geth following behind him. Her first reaction? Shoot it. Right now. It's perfectly understandable and she cant really be blamed for simply trying to protect Shepard and herself.

A Geth that doesn't have a bead on Shep or her, and is just kinda standing there?

Geez, I'm glad more people don't share that mentality.  That whole shoot first ask questions later bit was supposed to been done by 1880.

*sighs* I'm not saying I agree with her shooting at Legion... I merely am saying that I can understand WHY she did... She didnt know what was going on and, as I mentioned before, the Geth have been trying to kill her for days now. You can guess she'd be just a little bit jumpy by this point...

[VegasVance]

^This, Just Freedom's Progress instead of Horizon.

Edit: Still she doesn't show any real willingness towards geth peace, nor any tatical apptitute too boot.  How about sending her as the 2nd fireteam leader next time you do a SM run heh?

Modifié par VegasVance, 02 juillet 2011 - 09:00 .

[Garrison2009]

I honestly am extremely surprised at the reception that the idea of Tali possibly becoming an Admiral in the Migrant Fleet has had. I didn't think the concept was that far out there, considering everything that's lead up to ME3 with this character, but I guess I'm one of the very few that actually thinks such a thing would be beneficial not only to the war effort but to a joint Geth/Quarian peace. Oh well...

[VegasVance]

/thread?

[jbblue05]

If Tali is an admiral in ME3 I am siding with the Geth. The Quarians will prove they are incompetent and deserve extinction.

Maybe in 10-15 years and Tali stops losing 95% of her squad she should be considered for captain of a ship

[SupidSeep]

Tali's initial reaction to Legion is perfectly understandable. The quarians were sent into a geth controlled world and all the geth they had encountered in the process have been actively hostile. Tali has no idea Legion was any different unless Shepard interceded. Kal'Reeger was also spooked by Legion's initial appearance. Hey, anyone who had had Geth shooting at them for the last several hours would have automatically shot at Legion upon the first meeting.

If Tali is ever to be an Admiral, it would be based to her technical expertise / knowledge, not her command ability.

@ VegasVance: It is the Qwib Qwib.

[VegasVance]

SupidSeep wrote...
@ VegasVance: It is the Qwib Qwib.

Thank you for the clarification.


Let's hope they don't change it. 

[Nashiktal]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I'm not saying it won't happen, but it is a terrible idea. Tali lacks the (social) skills and experience to be an Admiral. She hasn't even commanded her own ship yet.

This. I agree with Saphra here, and Arcian.

She is VERY young, has no actual fleet based combat experience, and (as far as we know) has NOT commanded a ship bigger than a shuttle, and has shown more interest in engines than command.


However I must disagree about Tali being a bad leader. So far she has not had a proper shake at leadership. (She was the science or "project" lead on haestrom, not security. Freedom's progress also doesn't count) I'll have to dig up my old arguments again however to eloquently put my objections into perspective.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 02 juillet 2011 - 09:19 .