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[Garrison2009]

Once again you prove your great talent at stating the obvious, Vegas...

[Nashiktal]

Garrison2009 wrote...

VegasVance wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

VegasVance wrote...

^ Agreed.
Any luck on finding reasons for her to be an Admiral?

She might get on the Admirality board, but then again she might already be dead. 

Tali, if not exiled, becomes VERY popular within the flotilla. She has helped save the galaxy, she helped paint the Quarians in a good light, and she is THE foremost expert on Geth.

If the people want her in power, she WILL be in power no matter if its a good idea or not. History has proven this many times over.

All good points, and I would add a meta-reason to yours as well.  It's Bioware, they like to repeat themseleves, they like to repeat themseleves. So I could see them doing a former squadie as a leader of their race.  

However for a meta reason to counter it, she is a squaddie and helping a people whilist being a light years seems impratical to say the least. 

As i have said already, Bioware stated, on one of their Twitter updates, That Tali may not necessarily be with you the whole game, lending credence to this theory.

To be fair, its not just Tali. Apparently the entire concept of "permanent squaddie" is changing for ME3.

[VegasVance]

Garrison2009 wrote...

Once again you prove your great talent at stating the obvious, Vegas...

As do you sir, your magnanimous talent of whining! 

Now that said do you have any new information to contribute to your own topic?

I hope nobody is permenant personally, everyone has role to play, except Garrus I can't see where he would fit in. 

Also if you put the mance in Talimance, what kind of strain would that put on her going into an Admiral postion?

Think about it, if she risks her life just to sleep with you how could that play against her?

Modifié par VegasVance, 02 juillet 2011 - 10:12 .

[BatmanPWNS]

She's too young IMO maybe when she reaches 40 or 50.

[Nashiktal]

VegasVance wrote...

Garrison2009 wrote...

Once again you prove your great talent at stating the obvious, Vegas...

As do you sir, your magnanimous talent of whining! 

Now that said do you have any new information to contribute to your own topic?

I hope nobody is permenant personally, everyone has role to play, except Garrus I can't see where he would fit in. 

Also if you put the mance in Talimance, what kind of strain would that put on her going into an Admiral postion?

Think about it, if she risks her life just to sleep with you how could that play against her?

Risking her life isn't something that has to be done everytime Shep does the nasty with her. As silly (but unbearably sweet) the romance seen was with her, she can just do nerve stim programs now that they have done the deed EVA style.

[VegasVance]

Nashiktal wrote...

VegasVance wrote...

Garrison2009 wrote...

Once again you prove your great talent at stating the obvious, Vegas...

As do you sir, your magnanimous talent of whining! 

Now that said do you have any new information to contribute to your own topic?

I hope nobody is permenant personally, everyone has role to play, except Garrus I can't see where he would fit in. 

Also if you put the mance in Talimance, what kind of strain would that put on her going into an Admiral postion?

Think about it, if she risks her life just to sleep with you how could that play against her?

Risking her life isn't something that has to be done everytime Shep does the nasty with her. As silly (but unbearably sweet) the romance seen was with her, she can just do nerve stim programs now that they have done the deed EVA style.

That would make me sad though, this isn't demolition man...

[Scy Lancer]

From what people are saying it seems that the two big reasons for not wanting her is her age and inexperience in leading. She's what? 18-19? Maybe younger? Yea, but she knows how the fleet works, their ships, and most of all their enemy. How many Reapers have Han Garel and the others taken down? Tali has helped take down two (depending on how you play). As far as strategy goes, you don't fight beside a bad ass back from the dead reaper killing machine without picking up a few things about leading, in my opinion.
I honestly could take it or leave it if Tali becomes an admiral. I can see both points of view. I just want to see the Quarian fleet in action.

[Garrison2009]

I just cant fathom why there are so many haters of the idea of Tali in the role of one of the Admirals. I personally love the idea. Tali needs to go out there and be a character of her own (Is she just going to follow Shepard around for the rest of her life?)

[VegasVance]

^Given how short ME3 will make some characters life it is a possibility.

[S.A.K]

Good squad mate yes, good admiral NO.

[Nashiktal]

Scy Lancer wrote...

From what people are saying it seems that the two big reasons for not wanting her is her age and inexperience in leading. She's what? 18-19? Maybe younger? Yea, but she knows how the fleet works, their ships, and most of all their enemy. How many Reapers have Han Garel and the others taken down? Tali has helped take down two (depending on how you play). As far as strategy goes, you don't fight beside a bad ass back from the dead reaper killing machine without picking up a few things about leading, in my opinion.
I honestly could take it or leave it if Tali becomes an admiral. I can see both points of view. I just want to see the Quarian fleet in action.

She is actually early 20's, its on the main site but I am too lazy too look it up.

However that does not mean Tali is Qualified. Tali knows how the fleet works? I know how congress works, doesn't mean I am qualified to take over. Zaeed knows how Batarians work, doesn't mean you set him up as the leader of the army attacking their planets. (at least not without putting life insurance on everyone)

How many reapers has Han Garel taken down? None. How many reapers has Tali taken down? None. The alliance fleet does most of the work, with shep opening the door for them. (Literally and figuratively.) And Squadmates do NOT fire upon the baby reaper, at all. Its all you to take it down.

Tali has no experience in leading the FLOTILLA. A fleet of THOUSANDS of ships, she has no ship to ship combat experience fleet wise, she has not properly gone through the ranks of military command, she has not even been allowed to lead a proper military operation.

Its just a bad idea. Unless Bioware wants to suddenly make Tali a tactical genius (in which case why couldn't she use that in many other previous encoutners and situations?) Tali as an admiral would just be a bad idea.

Now the only way I would think of letting Tali be admiral and still be happy, were if she was just a figurehead. Make her the "face" while having someone who knows what they are doing do all the work. However doing that would just be taking Tali out of the party for a silly reason in my opinion.

[Homebound]

Garrison2009 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Well, I'm guessing no, since she's been confirmed as a squadmember.

From a lore standpoint, as much as I Tali, she's a terrible leader, and is far too young.

It just doesn't make any sense, story or gameplay wise. Maybe as part of the epilogue or something, but during the events of ME3 she's still just too young and unskilled in leadership.

I honestly dont agree. I'm not a Talimancer but I believe that she does have both the knowledge and skill with her people as well as the leadership ability needed.

irrelevant, shes the admiral's daughter. quarian politics will pick her to be his successor.

[Silentblaze]

Garrison2009 wrote...

The title to this thread pretty much says it all. My theory is that Tali will be given her father's postion in the fleet, as Admiral of the Rayya. Going from this, getting her exiled is probably a very bad idea, as she will be unable to take a seat as one of the Admirals and in turn will not be able to use the Quarian Fleet to aid you against the Reapers. Also, the whole fight between her and Legion is I believe of the utmost importance, as, if you can make peace between them, she will probably be in favor of making peace with the Geth and you'll have two fleets for the price of one, so to speak.

What do you all think? Is Tali Admiral material or would you vouch for someone else to take her father's place instead? What about possibly even Kal'Reegar becoming her advisor (if he's alive)? Please, leave a comment and tell me what you think.

Tali may end up an admiral but I know all she wants to be is an engineer.  So let Kal'Reegar take the job instead.

Still I doubt she could become an admiral since there are too many things like death, exile, or simple disinterest that would prevent this from happening.  

However, if despite it all she does end up and admiral I hope it is only to put down the override vote on some conclave decision. Once done she can come back to the Normandy with Shepard.

[lovgreno]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

She's too young (for being a admiral) IMO maybe when she reaches 40 or 50.

A middle aged, mature, self confident Tali who never have to ask for things twice... Not an unpleasant thought at all.

[BioWareM0d13]

Once again I state, this is war that's coming. A war unlike anything that we've seen in the ME universe. Literally Tali may have to take her father's position, as she said in Mass Effect 2 that some were thinking of her for the role, or someone else less sympathetic to Shepard's cause will. I believe that if Tali does not assume this role that there will be such chaos amongst the Quarian people, because of their in-fighting over the Geth, that they will be practically useless when the time comes.

What use would Tali be to the Quarian people if she was made an Admiral for the sake of Quarian unity, only to get the ships placed under her command destroyed? There is a reason why promotions in most modern militaries are based on merit. You are much more likely to get capable Generals or Admirals if they've got two decades of experience in command under their belts and have had to prove themselves capable multiple times as they advanced up the chain of command, than if your Generals and Admirals got their ranks based on family connections. Once upon a time commanders of armies and fleets got their position based on wealth and family connections, and while occasionally there was an Alexander or a Julius Caesar in the mix, most had no business commanding an army whatsoever. Would you want Prince Charles for example, leading the British Army into battle? I think not. That is why over the centuries armies and navies have evolved to become meritocracies.

If the Quarians promote based on genetics or family connections however, they'd never stand a chance in battle against any species that promotes based on merit, like humans or Turians. Although it might explain how they managed to lose their own homeworld.

And secondly, those of you who say that Tali lacks the leadership skill... I honestly dont know how you can play the second game and say that. You see, for the first time, that she has a more mature and serious side to her there. The mission on Haestrom also did not fail as a result of her poor leadership. It failed because they were heavily outnumbered, had no reinforcements, and... no offense... but they're all Quarians. They get so much as a slight graze from a bullet and they can die from an infection.

Mass Effect 2 confirms that Tali is a not a good leader.

You run into her twice on missions where her team has wiped, and on at least one occasion it was because of a break down in discipline in her squad. One of the prime responsibilities of a combat leader is maintaining good order and discipline in their unit, and in that, she failed. She lost control of her own squad, which shows an inability to instill discipline or command respect among her own men.

The suicide mission confirms this when she is a poor choice as team leader when you divide the squad. Sorry Talimancers, Tali being a weak leader is canon.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 03 juillet 2011 - 02:13 .

[arne1234]

I think Tali might get promoted as a advisor/diplomate during ME:3. Even if you didn't take her along on every mission during me1-2 she probably knows of each one of them, She had many interactions with the GETH, Collectors and reapers and knows the people who might be usefull.

[Cheese of Borg]

Bye the way, we have no idea on quarian lifespan, for all we know it could be shorter than a salarian.

[CroGamer002]

I'm pretty sure Quarians live nearly as long as humans.

[CroGamer002]

@Han Shot First I'm pretty sure most Talimancers are against the idea for Tali to be an admiral.

[AngelicMachinery]

Mesina2 wrote...

I'm pretty sure Quarians live nearly as long as humans.

I thought like every other race outside of Salarian's they lived longer than humans.

[ohnotherancor]

Tali is one of my favorite characters, but she definitely should not be an admiral in ME 3. I can see her as some sort of low-ranking official, but admiral? No. It'd be a very poor idea on the quarians' part.

That said, if there's an epilogue like DA:O, I can see Tali being mentioned as some sort of leader in the future.