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[fenix8081]

Don't get me wrong, Liara was my canon Shepard's first LI, but wouldn't it be more helpful if she focused on being the Shadow Broker instead of fighting by Shepard's side?  Getting constant information from a network of operatives across the galaxy seems more helpful than a biotic asari in your party.

Unless she has one hell of a bluetooth and can multi-task well enough to control her informants while projecting singularities, her role as a permanent squad member seems counterintuitive.

It seems like that's what LotSB was hinting at for ME3, and even though I was dissappointed that meant Liara probably wasn't going to be in my party, it made sense to me logically.  I'm sure it will be explained in the game that Feron is running the Shadow Broker base for Liara and keeping her updated, which makes sense, but I still would have been okay with Liara giving me updates like Oracle in Arkham Asylum.

Just wondering what other people's opinions were on the issue.

[Knight of Dane]

We don't know what as happened to her situation yet, who's saying she can't be SB with a Omni Tool or sokething?
Having Feron maneuver the vessel.

Ultimately Liara beleives in helping Shepard stop the Reapers, if she judge that she does that best by her(his) side, then i welcome her aid.

[Robhuzz]

My expectations, judging from the fact that Cerberus is now an enemy of Shepard, known to use dirty tricks to get to someone they dislike, know the location of the Shadow Broker Base AND know about the (either romantic or friendly) relationship between Shepard and Liara, is that Cerberus will be attacking the base and Liara is forced to flee, with Shepard arriving just in time to pick her up.

I really like Liara and she's been my LI for every single character so far so don't get me wrong when I say that I'm HOPING for the base to be destroyed. If only to make sure Liara won't go back there during or after the game. Naturally I'm happy she's a squadmember, we saw her way too little in ME2's main game, and even when we did see all we saw was her "Grr Shadow Broker!" attitude.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 02 juillet 2011 - 06:23 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

It would seem likely that Cerberus would go after the SB base as their first act against Shepard. Which could easily be the reason why Liara is on our squad.

[KawaiiKatie]

Come ME3, stalking Shepard from orbit just won't satisfy Liara any more. She'll be forced to join your squad, where she'll be a irreplaceable font of mind-reading and spy-based plot devices. Her only fee for such services will be Shepard's old toenail clippings, which she will put on display in her quarters.

.....but yes, I think Liara could be more helpful to Shepard as the Shadow Broker, but knowing Bioware, she'll find a way to juggle all of the Shadow Broker's resources from within the comfort of the Normandy.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 02 juillet 2011 - 06:33 .

[Kilshrek]

No, she needs to focus on those little blue babies Shep promised.

And there's also Feron, who should be capable enough to hold things together until the more important stuff is sorted out, like avoiding genocide on a galactic scale.

Modifié par Kilshrek, 02 juillet 2011 - 06:32 .

[jlb524]

fenix8081 wrote...
Don't get me wrong, Liara was my canon Shepard's first LI, but wouldn't it be more helpful if she focused on being the Shadow Broker instead of fighting by Shepard's side?  Getting constant information from a network of operatives across the galaxy seems more helpful than a biotic asari in your party.

Depends on many things...and we still know zero about the circumstances surrounding her squad mate status.

I would bet that if the Reapers didn't invade, Liara would remain as the Shadow Broker.  Either:

1) The base is destoyed (as some have mentioned).
2) Shepard and/or Liara deem it more valuable for her to join the Normandy's team vs. stay holed up on the SB base.  I'm sure Feron can pass on any useful intel gathered up from operatives and sent back to the main base.

[Raizo]

LotSB made it seem like he SB gig was going to be a full time job for Liara and that taking any amount of time away from the SB's ship would cause the SB's information network to collapse. Bioware has either decided to ignore the ending of LotSB or Liara has temporaryily put Feron in charge of the operation while she helps Shepard out.

[Patchwork]

I agree it does seem a waste of a good resource to have Liara on the squad. I don't mind her on the Normandy as Robhuzz said she might be chased by Cerberus from the SB base.

When LOTSB came out I fully expected for Liara to take the place of TIM in funding the mission.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

I'm not sure what the point of LOtSB was if they are disregarding that plot/character development pretty much immediately. I would have hoped that Liara would have taken the role the alliance/Admiral Hackett had in 1 and then Cerberus/Illusive Man in 2. She could have been just as involved in the plot as any squad member while still maintaining her position.

[Ophiskc]

I suppose that she will study every little dirty secret of all races, that will help u eventually to reunite the galaxy at the end; or study something important about the Reapers.
I believe the SB base will get destroyed, but the knowlege will stay with Liara anyway when she joins the Normandy at the end

[Big_Stupid_Jelly]

Ophiskc wrote...

I suppose that she will study every little dirty secret of all races, that will help u eventually to reunite the galaxy at the end; or study something important about the Reapers.
I believe the SB base will get destroyed, but the knowlege will stay with Liara anyway when she joins the Normandy at the end

I may have misunderstood you, but are you implying she may use lots of blackmailing to reunite the galaxy at the end? Thats not a very good way to engender long term good relations really, short term maybe, but nothing else.

[ladyvader]

All I am going to say is this....

[Ophiskc]

Big_Stupid_Jelly wrote...
I may have misunderstood you, but are you implying she may use lots of blackmailing to reunite the galaxy at the end? Thats not a very good way to engender long term good relations really, short term maybe, but nothing else.

Sorry if i explain myself bad, what i meant is that there could be a piece of information that could be key in the reunion of some species, wich doesnt mean it has to be blackmailing.

For example:
Could happen that the Geth have information recorded of the time that the war against the Quarians started. Maybe before all the killing started high rank Quarians were positive into making a peaceful pact of coexistance with the Geth, but eventually one of this Quarians with a few others that didnt agree boycott this killing Geths like crazy, till eventually the Geths feelt they were being play at and attacked back.
If the Quarians of today get that kind of information, maybe that change the point of view on the Geths and them killing so many of their own people. And leave the hate in the past

Modifié par Ophiskc, 02 juillet 2011 - 07:40 .

[ladyvader]

Ophiskc wrote...

Big_Stupid_Jelly wrote...
I may have misunderstood you, but are you implying she may use lots of blackmailing to reunite the galaxy at the end? Thats not a very good way to engender long term good relations really, short term maybe, but nothing else.

Sorry if i explain myself bad, what i meant is that there could be a piece of information that could be key in the reunion of some species, wich doesnt mean it has to be blackmailing.

For example:
Could happen that the Geth have information recorded of the time that the war against the Quarians started. Maybe before all the killing started high rank Quarians were positive into making a peaceful pact of coexistance with the Geth, but eventually one of this Quarians with a few others that didnt agree boycott this killing Geths like crazy, till eventually the Geths feelt they were being play at and attacked back.
If the Quarians of today get that kind of information, maybe that change the point of view on the Geths and them killing so many of their own people. And leave the hate in the past

That is a good example.  She could very well help with that, but I think situation will be more with Legion and Tali.  They seem to work together just fine. 

[Ophiskc]

ladyvader wrote...
That is a good example.  She could very well help with that, but I think situation will be more with Legion and Tali.  They seem to work together just fine. 

Yes, i think that Tali and Legion would also help, but remember that Tali and Legion also can die in M2. And im not so sure that the point of view of a young Quarian would be enough for the high ranks to get convinced...

Modifié par Ophiskc, 02 juillet 2011 - 08:01 .

[ladyvader]

Ophiskc wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
That is a good example.  She could very well help with that, but I think situation will be more with Legion and Tali.  They seem to work together just fine. 

Yes, i think that Tali and Legion would also help, but remember that Tali and Legion also can die in M2. And im not so sure that the point of view of a young Quarian would be enough for the high ranks to get convinced...

If I remember comments from the GameInformer mag article, Casey Husdon stated you might not be able to get everyone behind you.  Maybe in come cases it is not possible.  Or Shepard can't figure what the solution is.  We will have to wait and see.

[fenix8081]

It sounds like that will be the case. Or maybe decisions that didn't seem that important at the time will be monumental in These disputes. What if Tali's pilgrimage data gives the quarians the advantage, or vice versa for the data Legion steals. What if they negate each other and you convince both that their war is in neither of their interests. Personally, I hope I can't figure out the best solutions for each, because it will force some hard decisions and make a good story.

[ladyvader]

fenix8081 wrote...

It sounds like that will be the case. Or maybe decisions that didn't seem that important at the time will be monumental in These disputes. What if Tali's pilgrimage data gives the quarians the advantage, or vice versa for the data Legion steals. What if they negate each other and you convince both that their war is in neither of their interests. Personally, I hope I can't figure out the best solutions for each, because it will force some hard decisions and make a good story.

I am towards the end of another play through.  Probably finish it up before I go to bed tonight.  I just have to do LotSB and Arrival DLC after completeing the SM.  While doing Legions LM, I thought long and hard about the re-write.  Which I have done more than not, so I went with destroying them.  I hope it's the right choice.  

[Siansonea]

Well, something tells me the arrival of the Reapers is going to disrupt the Shadow Broker's information network.

[ladyvader]

Siansonea II wrote...

Well, something tells me the arrival of the Reapers is going to disrupt the Shadow Broker's information network.

I think it will be Cerberus.  BW has already made comments during E3 that Shepard is going to be dealing with them during the first part of the game and it seems Liara is going to be with Shepard early on in the game. 

TIM knows she is the Shadow Broker and is also keeping an eye on Liara/Shepard relationship.  Which is none of the f-wads business.

The Reapers are starting at the bottom of the glaxaxy map and moving upward.  Hagalaz is near the top of the galaxy map.  Which is another reason why I think Cerberus is the reason why Liara is on the Normandy.

[Taritu]

It does seem that if Cerberus wants to attack Shepard one of the very first things they would do is take out (or try to) Liara and the SB network: either capture it for themselves, or eliminate it.

Never liked Tim, but I'm amazed he was stupid enough to get himself indoctrinated.