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[ladyvader]

Taritu wrote...

It does seem that if Cerberus wants to attack Shepard one of the very first things they would do is take out (or try to) Liara and the SB network: either capture it for themselves, or eliminate it.

Never liked Tim, but I'm amazed he was stupid enough to get himself indoctrinated.

I want to shoot the guy right between those goofy eyes of his.  Never trusted him and he is one character I actually hate. 

[Silentblaze]

Maybe she will be in a role for Shepard like the way Cortana was for the Master Chief. That is the only reason I can see her leaving the SB job to be on-site intel for Shepard.

[kumquats]

Silentblaze wrote...

Maybe she will be in a role for Shepard like the way Cortana was for the Master Chief. That is the only reason I can see her leaving the SB job to be on-site intel for Shepard.

You have to explain this one, I only played Halo 1+2 years ago. I hardly remember anything about this game.

[Rip The Reaper]

Why isn't Liara focusing on being the Shadow Broker?

In one word...Feron.

[Kadzin]

Rip The Reaper wrote...

Why isn't Liara focusing on being the Shadow Broker?

In one word...Feron.

That or something happened to the SB's ship, there are many things that could have happened that cause Liara to follow Shepard again.

[AquamanOS]

I'm guessing she'll do something critical that only the SB could do, to give Shepard an edge, and then the base and the whole network will be lost due to Cerberus or Reaper attack, Liara's taken to the Normandy and the SB is gone forever.

Why? Because a secondary thing the game seems to be working towards is the breaking of the galactic stalemate that's been in effect for thousands of years. Remember how it's implied in ME that galactic civilization has been basically the same status quo for a very long time, with everyone working to keep it that way? Hence why humanity made all the other species nervous because they immediately started rocking the boat and surpassed the other minor council races in only a few decades instead of waiting their turn for hundreds of years like the Turian's did, and all the other races are still doing.

Assuming they break that status quo, the SB was a part of that by controlling the info flow, so SB probably has to go.

[Drone223]

If Liara is on the Normandy and to being the Shadow broker I hope it is because Cerberus raids the shadow broker base and destroy's the surver's. Becasue if the base is not destroyed and the reason why she is on the Normandy is because she wants to be with Shepard that is fair enough if you have her a syour LI other wise that is a bad excuse. If Cerberus does infact raid the base she could extract some usefull infomation before making here escape which will at leat make her provide Shepard with some usefull infomation which could be used later on in ME 3

[Geeblerful]

Well, the galaxy is under attack so I don't know how much time she would want to spend being the shadow broker with a full scale galactic war on.

[TheMarshal]

Short answer: Yes. Yes she should be focusing on being the Shadow Broker. I'm hoping that she's the Shadow Broker ****** quest-giver for the first part of the game. I think it's inevitable that she will join up with the crew (even before CHudson confirmed as much). It's all a matter of when/why.

Personal best-case scenario:
She's the quest-giver until Cerberus decides to take on Shepard. Their first target is Liara and the Shadow Broker base. With its destruction, she's forced to join Shepard aboard the Normandy.

Personal worst-case scenarios (in terms of wretched storytelling):
She immediately joins the Normandy because:
o She can do the SB job from aboard the Normandy.
-or-
o Feron can be the SB.

Alternatively:
The SB network is immediately knocked out by the Reapers.

Either scenario renders LotSB completely moot. Why did she bother taking up the mantle if it was just going to be disabled right away (from a meta perspective)? Or, if she could do the SB job from elsewhere, or if Feron could do the job, why didn't she just leave with Shepard?

[ubermensch007]

fenix8081 wrote...

Don't get me wrong, Liara was my canon Shepard's first LI, but wouldn't it be more helpful if she focused on being the Shadow Broker instead of fighting by Shepard's side?  Getting constant information from a network of operatives across the galaxy seems more helpful than a biotic asari in your party.

Unless she has one hell of a bluetooth and can multi-task well enough to control her informants while projecting singularities, her role as a permanent squad member seems counterintuitive.

It seems like that's what LotSB was hinting at for ME3, and even though I was dissappointed that meant Liara probably wasn't going to be in my party, it made sense to me logically.  I'm sure it will be explained in the game that Feron is running the Shadow Broker base for Liara and keeping her updated, which makes sense, but I still would have been okay with Liara giving me updates like Oracle in Arkham Asylum.

Just wondering what other people's opinions were on the issue.

Should Liara focus on being the Shadow Broker? Your Goddamn right she should! Besides, I would much rather have Shiala fighting by my side and in my bed anyway...

[Kaiser Shepard]

I was under the impression that LotSB was basically setting up Feron to become a future squaddie, aiding Shepard on Liara's behalf. Having Liara join Shepard again would be a weak move.

[ladyvader]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I was under the impression that LotSB was basically setting up Feron to become a future squaddie, aiding Shepard on Liara's behalf. Having Liara join Shepard again would be a weak move.

It wouldn't if what several people think will happen which I am one of them.

Cerberus knows Liara is the Shadow Broker and is keeping an eye on her relationship with Shepard.  If they are after Shepard, it makes sense for them to go after her at the base.   Plus TIM is trying to stop all leaks to the SB. 

[Kaiser Shepard]

Liara getting dethroned only minutes after her ascension would be even weaker storytelling, though.

[ladyvader]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Liara getting dethroned only minutes after her ascension would be even weaker storytelling, though.

ME3 is set months after Liara has the base.  

Two months after Arrival, 6-12 after the Suicide Mission and the LotSB is set between those.

Modifié par ladyvader, 15 juillet 2011 - 07:50 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

You know what I mean: gameplay wise, not simply in-universe wise. If she became he Shadow Broker, in a bridging DLC nonetheless, only to immediately lose her position to the Man and Cerberus... why have the player look forward to having the new Broker as an ally, when they could've simply crashed/blown up/commandeered the Shadow Broker base and be over with it?

We've already had the "BOOM! SHEPARD'S DEAD! WOOSH! NOW HE'S BACK ALIVE TWO WHOLE MINUTES LATER!" thing in the two year gap between Mass 1 and 2, we don't need equally useless developments in the gap before Mass 3.

[ladyvader]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

You know what I mean: gameplay wise, not simply in-universe wise. If she became he Shadow Broker, in a bridging DLC nonetheless, only to immediately lose her position to the Man and Cerberus... why have the player look forward to having the new Broker as an ally, when they could've simply crashed/blown up/commandeered the Shadow Broker base and be over with it?

We've already had the "BOOM! SHEPARD'S DEAD! WOOSH! NOW HE'S BACK ALIVE TWO WHOLE MINUTES LATER!" thing in the two year gap between Mass 1 and 2, we don't need equally useless developments in the gap before Mass 3.

I don't think it's ruins anything,  it fits actually.  Liara only took over to help Shepard.  Everything she said when asked if it was a good idea was, we this, we that.  She wants to be with Shepard.  

For all we know is she found what she needs to help Shepard and left Feron to be the Broker.  That works too I think.

[Finis Valorum]

Personally I hope she's going to be the quest giver for a significant part of the game and uses the Shadow Broker network to help you forge alliances with the various major and minor council races (knowing their most of leaders dark and dirty secret can provide leverage if needed).
The most logical would be to have her direct the missions to Palaven and Surkesh (Turians and Salarians) before you have to save her when her base comes under attack from either Cerberus or the Reapers themselves.

[ladyvader]

Finis Valorum wrote...

Personally I hope she's going to be the quest giver for a significant part of the game and uses the Shadow Broker network to help you forge alliances with the various major and minor council races (knowing their most of leaders dark and dirty secret can provide leverage if needed).
The most logical would be to have her direct the missions to Palaven and Surkesh (Turians and Salarians) before you have to save her when her base comes under attack from either Cerberus or the Reapers themselves.

It would be nice, but Liara was in the demo when they were on Sur'Kesh.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

You know what I mean: gameplay wise, not simply in-universe wise. If she became he Shadow Broker, in a bridging DLC nonetheless, only to immediately lose her position to the Man and Cerberus... why have the player look forward to having the new Broker as an ally, when they could've simply crashed/blown up/commandeered the Shadow Broker base and be over with it?

We've already had the "BOOM! SHEPARD'S DEAD! WOOSH! NOW HE'S BACK ALIVE TWO WHOLE MINUTES LATER!" thing in the two year gap between Mass 1 and 2, we don't need equally useless developments in the gap before Mass 3.

Agreed. Continuity in ME2 was already bad, and with stuff like this it looks like history repeats itself.

[Airell]

I just got finished with run. Liara did not like were the SB base were it is. So my though is she moved the base to the normandy =)

[pacer90]

ladyvader wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I was under the impression that LotSB was basically setting up Feron to become a future squaddie, aiding Shepard on Liara's behalf. Having Liara join Shepard again would be a weak move.

It wouldn't if what several people think will happen which I am one of them.

Cerberus knows Liara is the Shadow Broker and is keeping an eye on her relationship with Shepard.  If they are after Shepard, it makes sense for them to go after her at the base.   Plus TIM is trying to stop all leaks to the SB. 

What I figure is that she is not dethroned as Shadow Broker, but rather an ATTEMPT by Cerberus forces her to relocate. And where else would she go but the Normandy? :innocent:

[PhatSeeJay]

Airell wrote...

I just got finished with run. Liara did not like were the SB base were it is. So my though is she moved the base to the normandy =)

It would make sense that she could keep up shop from the Normandy and still maintain the Shadow Broker network. The only ones that knew of the Broker base are dead anyway. Though I wonder if this doesn't become some form of plot choice. Have Liara stay in the Shadow Broker base and feed Shepard better intel. Or leave it behind, to fight with him/her, and loose valuable information. I certainly hope not, because I see no reason as to why the Shadow Broker base is actually necessary to maintain the SB network.