Don't know if this has been tread upon or not but there is a log on the derelict reaper that states that the nano technology in some Reaper parts would have degraded after the 37 million years its been there.
Put in perspective, if the Reapers harvest every 50 thousand years that leaves room for 740 harvests since the Reaper was destroyed.
Derelict Reaper - 37 million years
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Posté 02 juillet 2011 - 08:09
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1) Why has no one found this?
2) Why not show the council?
2) Why not show the council?
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 07:06
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gogman25 wrote...
1) Why has no one found this?
2) Why not show the council?
The reaper itself is in a brown dwarf, and the codex suggest that because of the high winds and insane weather nobody would search a rather unremarkable brown dwarf for no apparent reason. The only reason Cerberus found it was because they found the trajectory of the Klendagon weapon and where exactly it was shooting, so they knew were to look for it. How Cerberus found the Klendagon weapon without anyone else finding it though is a whole other story<_<.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 07:54
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Space is a big place, and like the Geth base most people don't care to look at these places
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 11:43
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How does a 37 million year old reaper go that long without being found by some earlier race? Why have the reapers themselves not know that one of there own is missing and not try to find where there missing fellow reaper is? If the reaper was killed there in that system then the reapers would easily be able to find the derelict reaper sence I doubt that the reapers attack a system with only one reaper, so then there must have been another reaper or more there when that reaper died. One of the reapers would then dispose of it but instead they leave it....why? Why was cerberus able to find it of all people and races and reapers for over 37 million years?
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Posté 04 juillet 2011 - 12:56
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LordNige wrote...
Don't know if this has been tread upon or not but there is a log on the derelict reaper that states that the nano technology in some Reaper parts would have degraded after the 37 million years its been there.
Put in perspective, if the Reapers harvest every 50 thousand years that leaves room for 740 harvests since the Reaper was destroyed.(37,000,000 divided by 50,000=740)
740 Harvest. Damn. That is an absurd amount, is it not?
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Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 10:13
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I was disappointed with the level design for the IFF mission to be honest. Here we have the most powerful and evil race of cybernetic beings in the universe and the interior of their ship should have been made to look the same way. It should have been something that made you scared to walk through, scared to play on your own after dark and dripping with suspense. I recall how the first Aliens vs Predator game made me feel when I tried it way back but Instead we get a bland looking ship that looks exactly the same as any other level in the game.
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Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 12:18
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pablodurando wrote...
gogman25 wrote...
1) Why has no one found this?
2) Why not show the council?
The reaper itself is in a brown dwarf, and the codex suggest that because of the high winds and insane weather nobody would search a rather unremarkable brown dwarf for no apparent reason. The only reason Cerberus found it was because they found the trajectory of the Klendagon weapon and where exactly it was shooting, so they knew were to look for it. How Cerberus found the Klendagon weapon without anyone else finding it though is a whole other story<_<.
I thought Shepard found the derelict while surveying in ME1. While Shep didn't find the weapon in ME1 he did find the hole it made.
The most likely scenario is that the Council either did investigate and Cerberus managed to cover it up (as they did with the turian distress signal), or they figured it was too deep into hostile territory to make an expedition worth the risk.
Given the number of husks, I lean towards the former.
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Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 04:28
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Sarah_SR2 wrote...
I was disappointed with the level design for the IFF mission to be honest. Here we have the most powerful and evil race of cybernetic beings in the universe and the interior of their ship should have been made to look the same way. It should have been something that made you scared to walk through, scared to play on your own after dark and dripping with suspense. I recall how the first Aliens vs Predator game made me feel when I tried it way back but Instead we get a bland looking ship that looks exactly the same as any other level in the game.
The IFF mission is one of my favourites ... but I dealt with it looking like an ordinary ship by figuring that the Cerberus personnel installed the doors, walkways and gantries.
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Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 06:49
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It is actually in the Reapers' best interests to appear like 'just a ship.' It makes it a lot easier for other races to jump to that conclusion and not take them seriously, or to try to use them as ships and get indoctrinated.
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Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 06:54
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Remember when Saren discovered that Shep had also used the Beacon on Eden Prime? He was aboard Soverign and it looked like a normal ship.
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Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 06:55
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Moiaussi wrote...
It is actually in the Reapers' best interests to appear like 'just a ship.' It makes it a lot easier for other races to jump to that conclusion and not take them seriously, or to try to use them as ships and get indoctrinated.
But it doesn't. From the outside it looks like a squid that was torn through with a projectile.
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Remember when Saren discovered that Shep had also used the Beacon on Eden Prime? He was aboard Soverign and it looked like a normal ship.
The ship also took off before Saren reached the beacon.
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Posté 06 juillet 2011 - 06:48
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Moiaussi wrote...
pablodurando wrote...
gogman25 wrote...
1) Why has no one found this?
2) Why not show the council?
The reaper itself is in a brown dwarf, and the codex suggest that because of the high winds and insane weather nobody would search a rather unremarkable brown dwarf for no apparent reason. The only reason Cerberus found it was because they found the trajectory of the Klendagon weapon and where exactly it was shooting, so they knew were to look for it. How Cerberus found the Klendagon weapon without anyone else finding it though is a whole other story<_<.
I thought Shepard found the derelict while surveying in ME1. While Shep didn't find the weapon in ME1 he did find the hole it made.
The most likely scenario is that the Council either did investigate and Cerberus managed to cover it up (as they did with the turian distress signal), or they figured it was too deep into hostile territory to make an expedition worth the risk.
Given the number of husks, I lean towards the former.
I didn't know he found the reaper, I'll have to play another career in me1 now:D. I remember being on the moon of Klendagon and seeing the rift when you look at the planet, but not the reaper.
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Posté 06 juillet 2011 - 06:34
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xI extremist Ix wrote...
outlaw1109 wrote...
Remember when Saren discovered that Shep had also used the Beacon on Eden Prime? He was aboard Soverign and it looked like a normal ship.
The ship also took off before Saren reached the beacon.
Edit: I see your point, but it's still possible that that was the inside of Soverign, considering the fact that Benezia was there....
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Posté 06 juillet 2011 - 07:02
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xI extremist Ix wrote...
Moiaussi wrote...
It is actually in the Reapers' best interests to appear like 'just a ship.' It makes it a lot easier for other races to jump to that conclusion and not take them seriously, or to try to use them as ships and get indoctrinated.
But it doesn't. From the outside it looks like a squid that was torn through with a projectile.
And before blowing up into a million billion pieces, Sovereign looked from the outside like a squid that wasn't torn through with a projectile. How does having a different outer hull design equate to 'that must be a sentient being rather than 'just a ship with a different hull design?'
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 11:52
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For the same reason that sunken ships can still be discovered in the Mediterranean, which is a far more traversed, easier to investigate, and actually close to peopleKevShep wrote...
How does a 37 million year old reaper go that long without being found by some earlier race?
Who says they haven't?Why have the reapers themselves not know that one of there own is missing
Who says they didn't?and not try to find where there missing fellow reaper is?
It wasn't.If the reaper was killed there in that system
Not necessarily. The context of the Klendagon canon is too murky to infer anything about the context of the Reaper destroyed: was it scouting the edge of a system? The first to cross some distant Mass Relay? How many systems was it moved? Etc.then the reapers would easily be able to find the derelict reaper sence I doubt that the reapers attack a system with only one reaper, so then there must have been another reaper or more there when that reaper died.
Probably because they didn't consider it a threat to their plans... which is pretty much true, considering the incredibly high number of incredibly unlikely, unpredicted actions that had to be involved before it was actually relevant to something.One of the reapers would then dispose of it but instead they leave it....why?
Such events including the Prothean sabatoge (to prevent just a clean-slate wipe if they did view it is a threat), the destruction of Sovereign, the arrival of someone of Shepard's arrival capable of escaping, the presence of an AI of EDI's caliber to defeat the IFF virus, and of course a successful suicide mission... all of which was only good for stopping the Collectors, who may not have even been a main effort by the Reapers.
Had any one of those factors failed, not even Shepard would have succeded against the Collectors.
Because Cerberus actually knows and believes in the Reapers, and so knows that investing the effort looking may actually be worth it.Why was cerberus able to find it of all people and races and reapers for over 37 million years?
There's also the prospect that galactic technology has only recently reached a level at which the Reaper could be detected, and that previous centuries of tech (and the tech of other civilizations cut off early by the Reapers according to plan) wouldn't detect Reapers if they did a dedicated search... which they had no reason to pursue.
There's actually a planet scan (was it in ME1?) in which there was a Council university team that was considering investigating the planet... but chose to investigate the rumored Jupiter Brain of another system. Even scientists have priorities.
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 01:10
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Dean_the_Young wrote...
There's actually a planet scan (was it in ME1?) in which there was a Council university team that was considering investigating the planet... but chose to investigate the rumored Jupiter Brain of another system. Even scientists have priorities.
It is in ME2, the very planet the Reaper itself is in orbit around actually. They chose to fund invetigation of Ploba's "Deep Anomalies" (which you learn about in ME1), and operation which went horribly wrong and is probably a contriuting factor to why they aren't investigating this world right now.
Furthermore, all anybody knows is that there is an area of unusually low mass at one of the poles, no sign that there is even a ship there. It'd be like discovering an unusual electrical disturbance coming from the bottom of the Marianas Trench. Sure it'd be a curiosity worthy of investigation, but not one likely to be investigated within our lifetime (especially given NOAA's tiny budget).
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Posté 08 juillet 2011 - 05:40
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[quote]KevShep wrote...
How does a 37 million year old reaper go that long without being found by some earlier race?[/quote]For the same reason that sunken ships can still be discovered in the Mediterranean, which is a far more traversed, easier to investigate, and actually close to people
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What Iam saying is....why does cerberus of all people the only ones to every find it?
Why have the reapers themselves not know that one of there own is missing [/quote]Who says they haven't?
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[kevshep] What?
If they did know it was there then they would remove the reaper in the first place unless they keep it there for some purpose(Maybe thats why cerberus found it....because there working for the reapers perhaps)!
If the reaper was killed there in that system[/quote]It wasn't.
[quote][kevshep] Yes it was...the shot came from the same system... a near by planet with a large chunk missiong was hit by the same weapon!
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[quote]One of the reapers would then dispose of it but instead they leave it....why?[/quote]Probably because they didn't consider it a threat to their plans... which is pretty much true, considering the incredibly high number of incredibly unlikely, unpredicted actions that had to be involved before it was actually relevant to something.. [quote] [Kevshep] why would the reapers willingly leave there own behind at all???????????? Yes it can mess up there plans if it is discovered!
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Such events including the Prothean sabatoge (to prevent just a clean-slate wipe if they did view it is a threat), the destruction of Sovereign, the arrival of someone of Shepard's arrival capable of escaping, the presence of an AI of EDI's caliber to defeat the IFF virus, and of course a successful suicide mission... all of which was only good for stopping the Collectors, who may not have even been a main effort by the Reapers.
Had any one of those factors failed, not even Shepard would have succeded against the Collectors.[/quote]
[Kevshep] Like I said before why does Cerberus of all people happen to find it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!It seems a little convenient...or cerberus knew all along where it was because of there ties with the reapers!
How does a 37 million year old reaper go that long without being found by some earlier race?[/quote]For the same reason that sunken ships can still be discovered in the Mediterranean, which is a far more traversed, easier to investigate, and actually close to people
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What Iam saying is....why does cerberus of all people the only ones to every find it?
Why have the reapers themselves not know that one of there own is missing [/quote]Who says they haven't?
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[kevshep] What?
If they did know it was there then they would remove the reaper in the first place unless they keep it there for some purpose(Maybe thats why cerberus found it....because there working for the reapers perhaps)!
If the reaper was killed there in that system[/quote]It wasn't.
[quote][kevshep] Yes it was...the shot came from the same system... a near by planet with a large chunk missiong was hit by the same weapon!
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[quote]One of the reapers would then dispose of it but instead they leave it....why?[/quote]Probably because they didn't consider it a threat to their plans... which is pretty much true, considering the incredibly high number of incredibly unlikely, unpredicted actions that had to be involved before it was actually relevant to something.. [quote] [Kevshep] why would the reapers willingly leave there own behind at all???????????? Yes it can mess up there plans if it is discovered!
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Such events including the Prothean sabatoge (to prevent just a clean-slate wipe if they did view it is a threat), the destruction of Sovereign, the arrival of someone of Shepard's arrival capable of escaping, the presence of an AI of EDI's caliber to defeat the IFF virus, and of course a successful suicide mission... all of which was only good for stopping the Collectors, who may not have even been a main effort by the Reapers.
Had any one of those factors failed, not even Shepard would have succeded against the Collectors.[/quote]
[Kevshep] Like I said before why does Cerberus of all people happen to find it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!It seems a little convenient...or cerberus knew all along where it was because of there ties with the reapers!
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Posté 08 juillet 2011 - 05:50
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Posté 08 juillet 2011 - 02:23
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[quote]KevShep wrote...
What Iam saying is....why does cerberus of all people the only ones to every find it?[/quote]Because Cerberus of all people is the only one with a reason, motivation, and ability to find it.
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Why have the reapers themselves not know that one of there own is missing [/quote]Who says they haven't?
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[kevshep] What?[/quote]The Reapers could well know, and not have cared.
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If they did know it was there then they would remove the reaper in the first place unless they keep it there for some purpose(Maybe thats why cerberus found it....because there working for the reapers perhaps)![/quote]Nah, that's not how work works. There needs to be a justification for moving, not a justification for not moving: one requires work, the other doesn't, after all.
If the Reapers (reasonably) decide that the chances of anyone else finding their fallen bretheren is small, the risk is negligable. If the Reapers (reasonably) believe that, should someone find the Derilect Reaper, they won't be able to take anything of value from it, then there's no reason to move it. If the Reapers believe that, should some scavenger manage to find, survive, and take something, built-in protections will catch them, the risk is negated. And if the Reapers believe that some species can do ALL of that AND start directly engineering the Reapers... they can activate the Citadel Relay and call a clean slate.
So, with all the already present safeguards, minimal chances of anything covering it, and long-effective trump card... why should they move it, especially if moving it might damage/finally kill their slumbering bretherin?
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[quote][kevshep] Yes it was...the shot came from the same system... a near by planet with a large chunk missiong was hit by the same weapon!
[quote][/quote]No, it didn't. Derilect Reaper is in the Hawking Eta cluster, but that's all they share. The Derilect Reaper was in the Thorne solar system. The Klendagon rift was in the Century solar system. No one knows what system the MAC gun was, except that it almost certainly wasn't either.
These are 'nearby' in the same sense that China is 'near' North America simply because they're on the same planet. Only instead of planets, we're talking the gaps between solar systems.
[quote] [Kevshep] why would the reapers willingly leave there own behind at all????????????[/quote]Because it's dead, Jim. (But how do we know it?)
Or because moving it would have terminally shut down its processes, and while they can't fix it they don't want to ruin what little it has left.
Or because they realize that nothing that could be found from the dead Reaper can really change their plans.
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Yes it can mess up there plans if it is discovered! [/quote]No, it doesn't. The Derilect Reaper in no way stops, hinders, exposes, or blocks the Citadel Mass Relay gambit, or stops them from flying to the Alpha Relay. Nothing on the Derilect Reaper even portends the Reaper plans at all: it's just another mysterious advanced relic from a prior civilization in a galaxy built on mysterious advanced relics from prior civilizations.
[quote] Like I said before why does Cerberus of all people happen to find it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]Because they know about the Reapers, which justifies looking into an otherwise incredibly non-important, low-priority curiosity in a galaxy of curiosities.
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It seems a little convenient...[/quote]Of course it's convenient: it's a plot development in a work of fiction. It would have been equally convenient had the Council discovered it, or Aria discovered it, or some random Terminus warlord discovered it.
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or cerberus knew all along where it was because of there ties with the reapers![/quote]
Don't be a paranoid moron.
What Iam saying is....why does cerberus of all people the only ones to every find it?[/quote]Because Cerberus of all people is the only one with a reason, motivation, and ability to find it.
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Why have the reapers themselves not know that one of there own is missing [/quote]Who says they haven't?
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[kevshep] What?[/quote]The Reapers could well know, and not have cared.
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If they did know it was there then they would remove the reaper in the first place unless they keep it there for some purpose(Maybe thats why cerberus found it....because there working for the reapers perhaps)![/quote]Nah, that's not how work works. There needs to be a justification for moving, not a justification for not moving: one requires work, the other doesn't, after all.
If the Reapers (reasonably) decide that the chances of anyone else finding their fallen bretheren is small, the risk is negligable. If the Reapers (reasonably) believe that, should someone find the Derilect Reaper, they won't be able to take anything of value from it, then there's no reason to move it. If the Reapers believe that, should some scavenger manage to find, survive, and take something, built-in protections will catch them, the risk is negated. And if the Reapers believe that some species can do ALL of that AND start directly engineering the Reapers... they can activate the Citadel Relay and call a clean slate.
So, with all the already present safeguards, minimal chances of anything covering it, and long-effective trump card... why should they move it, especially if moving it might damage/finally kill their slumbering bretherin?
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[quote][kevshep] Yes it was...the shot came from the same system... a near by planet with a large chunk missiong was hit by the same weapon!
[quote][/quote]No, it didn't. Derilect Reaper is in the Hawking Eta cluster, but that's all they share. The Derilect Reaper was in the Thorne solar system. The Klendagon rift was in the Century solar system. No one knows what system the MAC gun was, except that it almost certainly wasn't either.
These are 'nearby' in the same sense that China is 'near' North America simply because they're on the same planet. Only instead of planets, we're talking the gaps between solar systems.
[quote] [Kevshep] why would the reapers willingly leave there own behind at all????????????[/quote]Because it's dead, Jim. (But how do we know it?)
Or because moving it would have terminally shut down its processes, and while they can't fix it they don't want to ruin what little it has left.
Or because they realize that nothing that could be found from the dead Reaper can really change their plans.
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Yes it can mess up there plans if it is discovered! [/quote]No, it doesn't. The Derilect Reaper in no way stops, hinders, exposes, or blocks the Citadel Mass Relay gambit, or stops them from flying to the Alpha Relay. Nothing on the Derilect Reaper even portends the Reaper plans at all: it's just another mysterious advanced relic from a prior civilization in a galaxy built on mysterious advanced relics from prior civilizations.
[quote] Like I said before why does Cerberus of all people happen to find it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]Because they know about the Reapers, which justifies looking into an otherwise incredibly non-important, low-priority curiosity in a galaxy of curiosities.
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It seems a little convenient...[/quote]Of course it's convenient: it's a plot development in a work of fiction. It would have been equally convenient had the Council discovered it, or Aria discovered it, or some random Terminus warlord discovered it.
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or cerberus knew all along where it was because of there ties with the reapers![/quote]
Don't be a paranoid moron.
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Posté 08 juillet 2011 - 02:32
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I doubt the Reapers care for their dead. And they know anyone who actually goes onto it will be indoctrinated, which would only serve to advance their plans even further.
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Posté 08 juillet 2011 - 04:00
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The Derilect Reaper falls between an unusual space: not fully functional, but not necessarily dead. Reaper evaluation on the continuing of their own kind is unknown, but not impossible.
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Posté 08 juillet 2011 - 04:38
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Well, if you want to get technical the Reaper could be classified as "brain dead" as the only two things active were the mass effect drive and the indoctrination field. You know, that does make me wonder if there is something about mass effect fields that makes organic minds more susceptible to suggestion.
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Posté 08 juillet 2011 - 05:04
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Given the Reaper's normal operating proceedure is to clean up all evidence, leaving it there makes little sense. It is nonsensical that they wouldn't keep track of their losses and likewise that they would leave it behind as evidence, even hidden like that.
The only thing I can think of that might make sense is if it was a vanguard ship like Sovereign and thus the main Reaper fleet couldn't get to it. Even that doesn't make a lot of sense given they had the Collectors still running about.
The fact that it is there and wasn't recovered or repaired by the Reapers does suggest that they might be limited in their ability to repair, which strongly suggests that the war may be quite winnable. If for whatever reason the Reapers only build new ships rather than repair damaged ships, attrition becomes a lot easier against them.
The only thing I can think of that might make sense is if it was a vanguard ship like Sovereign and thus the main Reaper fleet couldn't get to it. Even that doesn't make a lot of sense given they had the Collectors still running about.
The fact that it is there and wasn't recovered or repaired by the Reapers does suggest that they might be limited in their ability to repair, which strongly suggests that the war may be quite winnable. If for whatever reason the Reapers only build new ships rather than repair damaged ships, attrition becomes a lot easier against them.
