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[Mondo47]

God, this obsession with tired old hackneyed attempts at pathos... all the tearful goodbyes and terrible senses of loss weighed against duty to countless millions of strangers. I guess you're not a big Goddamn hero unless you can show off all those emotional scars as that emotional muzak swells at the end of the movie *headdesk*

This stuff just gives me the sh*ts, I swear. This "rational transaction" bullsh*t is old and tired. How many times have we been forcefed this stuff? It was probably well past its use-by-date when it was getting spooned into Greek tragedies. If you really really need to lose your loved ones to give the story any more possible gravitas, yeesh, you need help. Better to just have your LI taken out with all the announcement and sense of impending doom of a surprise nuclear assault and then go on a full-on revenge bender because you had no choice to make. At least it'd make a change from all this whiny personal emotional conflict crap.

Or maybe, shock horror, it shouldn't happen at all.

Modifié par Mondo47, 03 juillet 2011 - 12:06 .

[Dave of Canada]

AngelicMachinery wrote...



Just this once everybody lives!

Except the Doctor sealed Rose away in the other universe.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 03 juillet 2011 - 12:08 .

[CSunkyst]

Mondo47 wrote...

God, this obsession with tired old hackneyed attempts at pathos... all the tearful goodbyes and terrible senses of loss weighed against duty to countless millions of strangers. I guess you're not a big Goddamn hero unless you can show off all those emotional scars as that emotional muzak swells at the end of the movie *headdesk*

This stuff just gives me the sh*ts, I swear. This "rational transaction" bullsh*t is old and tired. How many times have we been forcefed this stuff? It was probably well past its use-by-date when it was getting spooned into Greek tragedies. If you really really need to lose your loved ones to give the story any more possible gravitas, yeesh, you need help. Better to just have your LI taken out with all the announcement and sense of impending doom of a surprise nuclear assault and then go on a full-on revenge bender because you had no choice to make. At least it'd make a change from all this whiny personal emotional conflict crap.

Or maybe, shock horror, it shouldn't happen at all.

+45,000 XP


Anyway, to answer the question, I probably would sacrifice my LI (The LI would almost certainly DESPISE you afterwards if you didn't) but ultimately all such an ending would really accomplish would be to make me hate the game itself.  And ME3 being the big finale in a series where the story is the major selling point, it would devalue the series for me as a whole.  The series would go from "BEST GAMES EVER!!!!"  To, "Ehhhh, what a major let down, that ending was pointlessly a huge downer" 

Modifié par CSunkyst, 03 juillet 2011 - 12:15 .

[CSunkyst]

I mean, a bad ending is one thing, but to be hit in the face with it after YEARS of following the series? OUCH!

[Scy Lancer]

My vanguard shep would save the galaxy. Duty and Honor.

[KainrycKarr]

My Shepard won't have to choose; he's too badass for "extreme" or "edgy" personal choices like LI or the galaxy.

Still, the faceless millions get the boot, there are trillions of people in the galaxy, but only one Tali.

[TexasToast712]

IsaacShep wrote...

Not a chance. My Shep waited too long for Kaidan. The galaxy may burn

TexasToast likes this. *thumbs up*

[XX55XX]

Mondo47 wrote...

God, this obsession with tired old hackneyed attempts at pathos... all the tearful goodbyes and terrible senses of loss weighed against duty to countless millions of strangers. I guess you're not a big Goddamn hero unless you can show off all those emotional scars as that emotional muzak swells at the end of the movie *headdesk*

This stuff just gives me the sh*ts, I swear. This "rational transaction" bullsh*t is old and tired. How many times have we been forcefed this stuff? It was probably well past its use-by-date when it was getting spooned into Greek tragedies. If you really really need to lose your loved ones to give the story any more possible gravitas, yeesh, you need help. Better to just have your LI taken out with all the announcement and sense of impending doom of a surprise nuclear assault and then go on a full-on revenge bender because you had no choice to make. At least it'd make a change from all this whiny personal emotional conflict crap.

Or maybe, shock horror, it shouldn't happen at all.

Excellent point. Though, there is a reason why such a concept has been used well past its expiration date from Greek tragedy, to Shakesperean theatre, to modern-day movies. Audiences find certain cliches emotionally stimulating, even if they may personally loathe them on a more rational level. No matter how much we evolve, we will still love to see stuff blowing up and people failing to achieve their goals.

Perhaps it's an indication of how humanity's taste in the arts and general aesthetics have moved so little ever since the dawn of cave paintings.

Modifié par XX55XX, 03 juillet 2011 - 12:57 .

[LiquidGrape]

XX55XX wrote...

In The Matrix Reloaded, Neo makes the choice to save Trinity instead of saving Zion.

Neo may have been motivated by a sense of duty to his lover, egged on by his hormones.

Wait, that was what he was doing?
Huh.
Well, I suppose it might've been that the relentless and tiresome chases in that film completely dulled my perceptive and cognitive functions, but honestly, whenever Keanu attempted to emote, to me he looked more constipated than anything else.

Or I might just have been busy ogling Carrie-Anne Moss in that tight vinyl getup.

...what? Look, I needed something with which to occupy myself.

Anyway, OT: The idea is old and the idea is a sign of weak writing. If you cannot hope to establish an emotional rapport with the player without resorting to the most base melodrama, you're doing something wrong.
In short, what Mondo said.

[Sister Helen]

Realistically: Save the game first, then do both endings.

But to be honest, my femshep has done 'the right thing' for what seems like a very long time and only gotten grief. She's at that point that Ripley was in Aliens 4 where she's completely burned out trying to warn people about the impending doom, and just wants to find a safe place to hide.

So yeah, she'd probably grab her LI and run like hell, if that were an option. (And if the LI actually let her do it.)

[Iakus]

Mash Mashington wrote...

Could you all  please be a little bit more specific? Like, elaborate how exactly are you going to continue being happy and together when everyone else is dead? Hiding in some bunker on a backwater planet or something? Also the conscience and that stuff

I mean i don't really see it as two options. If the galaxy burns you burn with it

Plan A is of course, save everybody.  Or at least as many as possible.

Plan B, sacrifice self to ensure LIs (in my case, Ash's) survival.

Plan C is run and hide, then find primitive backwater world the Reapers have no interest in

Then live like gods:D

[Heather Cline]

personally save my LI given the option.

[ashlover mark 2]

ash wont be dying in my playthrough,but wont let the galaxy burn either.bioware wont do this to us though.if our LI's bite the dust it will be our fault.

[naledgeborn]

Yes. Though I'd like to think that Shepard would sacrifice himself before it got that far.

[Battlepope190]

XX55XX wrote...

Battlepope190 wrote...

What if you don't have one, like my Shepard?

Don't be a silly goose. Everyone has an LI, right...?

Not mine, at least not my MAIN Shep; I'm not allowed to have the one I wanted, so she goes alone.

[leggywillow]

AngelicMachinery wrote...



Just this once everybody lives!

YAY!  Hngh, this show always makes me so sad. 

Anyway, I will probably save my LI.  Because this is fiction, and that's how I roll.

[Roachbugg]

I hope to god the don't make the third game a Greek tragedy happy ending please? I absolutely hate the idea of choosing between saving the galaxy and my love interest especially if there is no way around it.

[Squidbreath]

Sacrifice! Nuking Kaiden the first time round was awesome.

Besides, one life for millions is more than fair, even if it's my own, though I'll try my best to avoid it by reloading.

[CheeseEnchilada]

Uh, this is a really difficult question. Mainly because the romance in question is Thane. I'd hope he'd still be alive at this point, but it would all come down to sentimentality versus practicality. Sacrificing Thane makes sense; he wouldn't live much longer anyway, and he would be able to go out fighting instead of hooked up to machines. On the other hand, I'm not sure my Shepard could actually go through with sending him to his death.

As the player, I would sacrifice him. It would hurt, but I'd rationalize it so I could keep Shepard around.

From the perspective of my Shepard, he wouldn't be sacrificed unless he begged her to go or pulled an Alistair.

[SirGladiator]

I'm pretty sure that won't end up being a choice, but ultimately I would do everything to protect my LI, whatever the risk involved. I wouldn't sacrifice her to increase the odds of saving others, even if it seemed the result would be failure of the mission, I just couldn't do that. Certainly if it came down to that it would be absolutely horrible, but if it did, I choose Liara/Ash/Miranda/Jack/Tali/Kelly, whichever one my LI was that go-round .

[SuiteAces]

If it were to save the whole galaxy, I'm not sure what I would do.
If it were Earth or a civilization, hell no!, I would NOT sacrifice my LI. Sister Helen put it best. The peoples of the galaxy haven't proven worthy to be saved. They tossed my Shepard aside and dismissed every warning she's ever given them, now they can be prepared to be dismissed and tossed aside. You "reap" what you sow, right (maybe pun intended) :-P


But seriously, I hope it doesn't come to this. I don't need a cliched sad ending just for the sake of having a sad ending.

[AngelicMachinery]

Rannin wrote...

If it were to save the whole galaxy, I'm not sure what I would do.
If it were Earth or a civilization, hell no!, I would NOT sacrifice my LI. Sister Helen put it best. The peoples of the galaxy haven't proven worthy to be saved. They tossed my Shepard aside and dismissed every warning she's ever given them, now they can be prepared to be dismissed and tossed aside. You "reap" what you sow, right (maybe pun intended) :-P


But seriously, I hope it doesn't come to this. I don't need a cliched sad ending just for the sake of having a sad ending.

Your love interest will never be able look at you, let alone touch you.  They'd feel dirty/unclean knowing that the only reason they're alive was because Shepard decided to toast an entire planet/culture/what have you. 

[Homebound]

save li and save galaxy. no exceptions.