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[medcsu]

Does anyone else think that we (Shepard) will have a detailed conversation with the Reapers about why they do what they do and why we should allow them to do it? In other words, towards the end we actually have the option to allow them to finish their work. You would have to think their reasoning is a good one (I assume overpopulation, but who knows). Anyone else think we will get the actual story and it will be a game changer?

[zZ FeaRz Zz]

Well I gues we'll get the whole picture in the end, but I'm not particuly looking forward to a two hour conversation with Harbringer explaning his methods.

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

Personally, I would like that. But it better be a damn good reason.

I think the following is the Reaper motivation for what they do:

They consider themselves the final product of evolution.

Each Reaper is manifold, a nation of its own, all beings of a species united as a single being. "Til all are one" brought to its final ultimate conclusion.

The Human Reaper is the final evolution of humanity. Why start with it? Because humanity took out a Reaper all on its own. So, they need to gain understanding of the human race, and what better than to make one of their own, to come up with countermeasures against human resistance?

So, the reason Reapers keep up the cycle is not simple procreation. It is a moral imperative, to bring a civilisation to its final conclusion, to bring them together and united them in a way that would be impossible through natural means. Us, the individual beings that constitute the larval form of a species to them. In the end, they want to uplift us to a higher level of existence, and bring us peace.

Til All Are One, indeed...

[KainrycKarr]

I want the opportunity to try and comprehend. More antagonist interaction, please.

[Purge the heathens]

I just want to be able to lecture the final boss into suicide. Again. Of course, if that's possible at all, the final boss is probably going to be TIM or another "lesser being." Not a Reaper.

Harbinger: "We are as old as the universe. For billions of years, we tended to the cycle because of X."

Shepard: "X sucks because of Y!"

H: "My life is a lie!" *goes boom*

[FouCapitan]

Gnas wrote...

Didn't the whole, "We are beyond your comprehension..." kind of take the idea of an indepth conversation off the table?

Well that was Sovereign's answer.  Perhaps Harbinger or another reaper might consider Shepard worthy of a more detailed response.

[Village_Idiot]

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

Personally, I would like that. But it better be a damn good reason.

This. If we are going to learn the Reaper's ideology, it had better be well written. Anything sub-par is going to really devalue them as omnipotent villains.

Personally, I think a safer option would be to not have any reveal of this kind at all. But I trust Bioware to do what they think's right.

[drinkurmilk]

FouCapitan wrote...

Gnas wrote...

Didn't the whole, "We are beyond your comprehension..." kind of take the idea of an indepth conversation off the table?

Well that was Sovereign's answer.  Perhaps Harbinger or another reaper might consider Shepard worthy of a more detailed response.

I would certainly think that Shepard's persistence will eventually deem him/her worthy of some form of an answer.

[KingNothing125]

I would rather have Shepard's prothean beacon vision completed, without the crazy quick edits and junk, and learn about the Reapers' intentions that way.

Having Harbinger (or any other Reaper) engage in lengthy exposition with Shepard smacks of Bond Villain-itis, and would grind things to a halt just like the (godawful) lengthy exposition scene in the second Matrix movie.

[eternalnightmare13]

medcsu wrote...

Does anyone else think that we (Shepard) will have a detailed conversation with the Reapers about why they do what they do and why we should allow them to do it? In other words, towards the end we actually have the option to allow them to finish their work. You would have to think their reasoning is a good one (I assume overpopulation, but who knows). Anyone else think we will get the actual story and it will be a game changer?

I hope we can some explanation as to why they do what they do.  I do not want talking heads like in ME1 and ME2 where the token Reaper does the proverbial chest thumping about how awesome they are and how lame organics are.  I'd rather have it broken up and fit into individual missions throught out the game rather then the explotation they did with Vigil in ME1.  For example you go on a mission to Illos and find some research by the Protheans and find out X about the Reapers which leads you to another system where you find Y about the Reapers ... yada yada yada.
I do not want a deus machina that explains it all in a 20 minute monologue.

That being said giving the mediocre writing of the games they'll probably spew an info dump at some impractical point.

Modifié par eternalnightmare13, 03 juillet 2011 - 06:20 .

[Sheppard-Commander]

I would like for more light to be shed on the Reaper's ultimate goals, yes...but as far as there being any reason that could justify total genocide of all living life, no I dont think there is any reason that any organic life could accept...thats why the Reapers "impose" their solution.

This line of thought isnt rational. Do you think the people sent to death camps in WWII said "Well...maybe they have good reasons for doing this." ???

Modifié par Sheppard-Commander, 03 juillet 2011 - 06:32 .

[GunMoth]

We already know why they do the things they do. We also know what they plan on doing. Harvesting the human race to create a "superior" life form. Self preservation. Survival. Existence.

I think the things I would like more light shed on is:
1) Its obvious the Reapers were built by SOMEONE. I would like more insight on the race that created them and THEIR original intentions. The reapers could be an AI that rebelled against a creator, or they could have been intentionally created to preserve their creator's legacy.

2) I would like to know why so many reapers are needed. How long their life span is. If they ever die. If they have a goal beyond harvesting, or if they're just parasitic by nature.

3) I would also like to know why they use the approach they do. Ideally they could land on major planets and be peaceful and friendly while also indoctrinating everyone. Instead they're like a spoiled teenager who is telling Shep-dad "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND ME T____T *crycrycry*" Then they try to invade violently. ?? Their logic is flawed for the type of creatures they are.

Modifié par GunMoth, 03 juillet 2011 - 06:52 .

[JamieCOTC]

Purge the heathens wrote...

I just want to be able to lecture the final boss into suicide. Again. Of course, if that's possible at all, the final boss is probably going to be TIM or another "lesser being." Not a Reaper.

Harbinger: "We are as old as the universe. For billions of years, we tended to the cycle because of X."

Shepard: "X sucks because of Y!"

H: "My life is a lie!" *goes boom*

Kirk vs The Reapers

1. Kirk: You … Reapers have destroyed … trillions of beings for millions of years. Why?
2. Reapers: We are far beyond your puny minds. You could not begin to understand our complexities.
3. Kirk: Enlighten me!
4. Reapers: We cannot. It would be impossible for us to …
5.
Kirk: Impossible … you say? We have trained less educated beings to
understand some of the most complex ... ideas in the universe.
Something apparently you cannot do.
6. Reapers: There is nothing we cannot do!
7. Kirk: You just finished saying it would be impossible you to enlighten us. Which is it?
8. Reapers: …
9.
Kirk: I could … teach a dog the complexities of gravity … to a point
which it would fully understand the nature of the force. COULD YOU DO
THE SAME?!!
10. Reapers: NO! This is not possible! We are SUPREME!!
WE ARE ETERNAL!! Does not compute! Does not compute! ERROR! ERROR!
ERROR!!! *Reapers all implode*
11. Spock: Well played Captain,
however I am curious to how you would teach a dog the complex nature of a
physical force such as gravity?
12. Kirk: Just drop it on its hind end. It’ll get the picture.
13. Spock: Fascinating.

[medcsu]

Good responses in this thread. I like the idea of the vision being completed. The problem is that only deals with the Protheans so it wouldnt really explain the Reapers and their reasoning/who was their original creator/etc.

Modifié par medcsu, 03 juillet 2011 - 07:52 .

[Captain Crash]

Some long winded convo is bound to happen and try and give us a twist on the whole story.

As long as the final line isnt "human you have failed, we will find another way".

[Mr.House]

Shadrach 88 wrote...

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

Personally, I would like that. But it better be a damn good reason.

This. If we are going to learn the Reaper's ideology, it had better be well written. Anything sub-par is going to really devalue them as omnipotent villains.

Personally, I think a safer option would be to not have any reveal of this kind at all. But I trust Bioware to do what they think's right.

ME2 already devalued him.

[Repearized Miranda]

If it comes down to me popping Harbinger later (not that I haven't done it before), then, hell yes! But he's lucky if I even think about asking questions before popping him. With all his statements in ME2, we should have had the chance then.

"Why did you spout such dialogue? It made you sound silly - not mention the looping of a few. Hell, I heard better lines on Youtube! You should be ashamed of yourself!"

"You're inquiry is beyond MY comprehension!"

Damn straight, but you still haven't answered my question!!"

(Pop goes the Reaper and the Reaper goes pop!) "Assuming Control!"

Modifié par Repearized Miranda, 03 juillet 2011 - 08:03 .

[Blitzkrieg0811]

I like it better when we leave it at "My kind transcends your very understanding." It's so much more badass and intimidating like that. It would absolutely ruin the Reapers for me if it turns out the want something cliché like power or dominance.

[Village_Idiot]

Mr.House wrote...

ME2 already devalued him.

True, Harbinger's trash talking did come across as crass and annoying, rather the cold, superior manner of Sovereign. I hope Harbinger can be rewritten as a better villain come ME3.