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[ashlover mark 2]

figured as much,im thinking that bioware was gonna give the VS a role in ME3 bigger than what we got in ME2 but it was the fan outcry of the respective ash and kai fanbases that got the "returining as squadmates" victory.

but that may just be me trying to make almost two years of supporting ash on bioware forums mean something.

Modifié par ashlover mark 2, 03 juillet 2011 - 02:29 .

[Lucifer_Cheney]

To ****ing & moaning: may our persistent complaining continue to give us the belief they are actually being listened to by those who matter.

Modifié par Lucifer_Cheney, 03 juillet 2011 - 02:32 .

[C-Sec]

lol i think that was the reason as well, i for one just want garrus on my party 24/7. i made sure he survived that suicide mission lol

[Siansonea]

rapscallioness wrote...

Well actually I respect my whole damn crew.

Even tho I feel it was a part of the story that had to happen...the way it was handled was...too little for such a big deal. Even if the final conclusion was that Ash/Kaidan just couldn't be a part of what you were doing right then, it lacked the kinda convo. that would take place between someone that went thru hell and back with you. You're back from the dead..and they don't even give you a chance.

No matter how ticked off, this character in particular knew you better than anybody. They should have been more like, "Talk to me! Help me understand what's going on here!" Shep didn't get that chance. A little more time with that particular scene..Hell I spent more time dialogue wheeling side characters..:/

Actually the person who was stuck on the Derp Setting in that scenario was Shepard. Ashley had every right to question Shepard's motives. After all, from her perspective, Shepard was MIA over Alchera, not necessarily KIA even if Shepard was later declared dead. Then two years later, Shepard shows up alive and well and working for Cerberus. Cerberus.

REALLY.

"I was dead for two years, Cerberus rebuilt me."

UH-HUH.

No one is going to believe that Shepard "died and came back to life"—I mean, that ridiculous. No, Shepard has to be lying about that. And Shepard's defense of Cerberus, working with Cerberus under any circumstances is a total betrayal of everything they stood for. Wait, doesn't Ashley say exactly that, or words to that effect?

[ashlover mark 2]

@lucifer id drink to that.....if i drank.but in all seriousness atleast it wasnt anything weird we asked for.....like makeing legion a LI or anything.right?

Modifié par ashlover mark 2, 03 juillet 2011 - 02:40 .

[V-rex]

No, I didn't.

Ashley was one of my favorites in Mass Effect 1 and A grew very attached to her over a relatively short bit of time. I had already known, due to watching teh youtubuez, that the Horizon scene was going to go down the way it did. Hence it didn't come as a shock when it happened.

As it stands I really wasn't that bothered by it, the only sadness or emotion I got was realizing that my best gal in the galaxy had departed for parts unknown and I had no bloody way of meeting up with her again. The email helped but still...

At least I know she'll be coming back soon.

[Blitzkrieg0811]

Yes. Very much so.

Seriously, how do you go from "I don't trust aliens! Humanity is on it's own!" to "I don't trust the pro-human group who completely agrees with what I just said!" And she acted like she was somehow better than Shepard for not working with Cerberus, which pissed me off... (even though working with Cerberus was a railroaded decision).

[Zjarcal]

I didn't lose any respect for her because I never had any respect for her in the first place. Same for Kaidan.

[kglaser]

I've never met Ashley on Horizon.

[Garrison2009]

V-rex wrote...

No, I didn't.

Ashley was one of my favorites in Mass Effect 1 and A grew very attached to her over a relatively short bit of time. I had already known, due to watching teh youtubuez, that the Horizon scene was going to go down the way it did. Hence it didn't come as a shock when it happened.

As it stands I really wasn't that bothered by it, the only sadness or emotion I got was realizing that my best gal in the galaxy had departed for parts unknown and I had no bloody way of meeting up with her again. The email helped but still...

At least I know she'll be coming back soon.

This was my exact reaction to Horizon, though I didnt know it was coming a head of time. Was I upset she wasnt going to join my crew? yeah, I was. Very much so. But I didnt 'lose respect' for her or anything. I understood her point of view and what she said at the very end gave me hope.  "Just... be careful out there Shepard..."

[AngelicMachinery]

Blitzkrieg0811 wrote...

Yes. Very much so.

Seriously, how do you go from "I don't trust aliens! Humanity is on it's own!" to "I don't trust the pro-human group who completely agrees with what I just said!" And she acted like she was somehow better than Shepard for not working with Cerberus, which pissed me off... (even though working with Cerberus was a railroaded decision).

Even for a pro human point of view cerberus is pretty messed up,  they willingly experimented on numerous living beings...  humans included and had no qualms about killing off alliance officers.  Come on...  this is like saying just because someone is ia Sunni Muslim they support Alqeuida. 

[ashlover mark 2]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Blitzkrieg0811 wrote...

Yes. Very much so.

Seriously, how do you go from "I don't trust aliens! Humanity is on it's own!" to "I don't trust the pro-human group who completely agrees with what I just said!" And she acted like she was somehow better than Shepard for not working with Cerberus, which pissed me off... (even though working with Cerberus was a railroaded decision).

Even for a pro human point of view cerberus is pretty messed up,  they willingly experimented on numerous living beings...  humans included and had no qualms about killing off alliance officers.  Come on...  this is like saying just because someone is ia Sunni Muslim they support Alqeuida. 

This.its called extremist.

[Blitzkrieg0811]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Come on...  this is like saying just because someone is ia Sunni Muslim they support Alqeuida.

 
That is not a good comparison. Cerberus doesn't fly planes into buildings. They conduct morally ambiguous tests to create stronger soldiers.

[rapscallioness]

@Siansonea: yes, Ash/Kaidan did have every right to question Shep.The whole thing must have been shocking and un- effing- believable. I just wish the scene would have been more fleshed out. I don't know about you, but with my friends and/or lovers the conversation woulda been a bit longer than the crap we had to chose from on the Horizon.

[ashlover mark 2]

Blitzkrieg0811 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Come on...  this is like saying just because someone is ia Sunni Muslim they support Alqeuida.

 
That is not a good comparison. Cerberus doesn't fly planes into buildings. They conduct morally ambiguous tests to create stronger soldiers.

no they dont fly planes into buildings.they lure ppl into thresher maw nests and watch as their "test subjects" are torn to shreds,they invade ppls homes and attempt to blow up said home,so they can re-capture an autistic little girl who they want back so they can contiune experiments on her.

Modifié par ashlover mark 2, 03 juillet 2011 - 02:55 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Blitzkrieg0811 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Come on...  this is like saying just because someone is ia Sunni Muslim they support Alqeuida.

 
That is not a good comparison. Cerberus doesn't fly planes into buildings. They conduct morally ambiguous tests to create stronger soldiers.

What about selling your soul to space cthulu in hopes of insuring human supremacy? 

Truthfully though just because you say that they're just trying to create strong soldiers is just rationalizing.  They seem more than willing to do anything as long as it will eventually further their goals.  Even if you don't agree with my theory one has to admit that even a main stream pro human would find Cerberus' actions to be morally dubious at best.

[Siansonea]

Blitzkrieg0811 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Come on...  this is like saying just because someone is ia Sunni Muslim they support Alqeuida.

 
That is not a good comparison. Cerberus doesn't fly planes into buildings. They conduct morally ambiguous tests to create stronger soldiers.

Hmmm, I have to disagree. There's really no moral ambiguity here. Injecting Corporal Toombs with thresher maw acid to observe it's effects is torture—not science. The shade of grey we're talking about here is black. Aaaand they murdered an Alliance Admiral who was just trying to find out what happened to some missing marines. Aaaaand they tortured and murdered children just to see if they could improve human biotic potential. Aaaand they experimented on rachni, thorian creepers, and who know what other sentient and sapient creatures. Cerberus might have gotten a Marketing Makeover in ME2 courtesy of TIM, Jacob, and Miranda, but I remember playing ME1, and I remember what a horrible group of monsters Cerberus was and is. And I'm not buying their PR schpiel for a second.

[rapscallioness]

V-rex wrote...

No, I didn't.

Ashley was one of my favorites in Mass Effect 1 and A grew very attached to her over a relatively short bit of time. I had already known, due to watching teh youtubuez, that the Horizon scene was going to go down the way it did. Hence it didn't come as a shock when it happened.

As it stands I really wasn't that bothered by it, the only sadness or emotion I got was realizing that my best gal in the galaxy had departed for parts unknown and I had no bloody way of meeting up with her again. The email helped but still...

At least I know she'll be coming back soon.

yeah..me too. I didn't see it coming. I hadn't watched the youtoobies....and there was no bloody way of meeting up again.  I thought there would be..lol. (i didn't know) I tried.

[Blitzkrieg0811]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

What about selling your soul to space cthulu in hopes of insuring human supremacy? 

Truthfully though just because you say that they're just trying to create strong soldiers is just rationalizing.  They seem more than willing to do anything as long as it will eventually further their goals.  Even if you don't agree with my theory one has to admit that even a main stream pro human would find Cerberus' actions to be morally dubious at best.

You shouldn't acuse me of rationalization when you're doing just that by saying stuff like "They seem more than willing to do anything as long as it will eventually further their goals."  And while it's true that Cerberus has its fair share of atrocities, the Alliance sure as hell wasn't about to resurrect Shepard and rebuild the Normandy. 
 
Besides, all this Cerberus debate is irrelevant. The fact remains that both Ashley and Kaidan were retcon'd into losing all the trust they had for their CO. A man who they've known for years....

[AngelicMachinery]

Siansonea II wrote...

Blitzkrieg0811 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Come on...  this is like saying just because someone is ia Sunni Muslim they support Alqeuida.

 
That is not a good comparison. Cerberus doesn't fly planes into buildings. They conduct morally ambiguous tests to create stronger soldiers.

Hmmm, I have to disagree. There's really no moral ambiguity here. Injecting Corporal Toombs with thresher maw acid to observe it's effects is torture—not science. The shade of grey we're talking about here is black. Aaaand they murdered an Alliance Admiral who was just trying to find out what happened to some missing marines. Aaaaand they tortured and murdered children just to see if they could improve human biotic potential. Aaaand they experimented on rachni, thorian creepers, and who know what other sentient and sapient creatures. Cerberus might have gotten a Marketing Makeover in ME2 courtesy of TIM, Jacob, and Miranda, but I remember playing ME1, and I remember what a horrible group of monsters Cerberus was and is. And I'm not buying their PR schpiel for a second.

Come on,  you have to admit Martin Sheen's voice might have made your resolve weaken just a "Itsy bitsy tiny bit."  I  TIM,  but,  he's still floating somewhere between super villian and darker than black anti hero.  

[rapscallioness]

Siansonea II wrote...

Blitzkrieg0811 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Come on...  this is like saying just because someone is ia Sunni Muslim they support Alqeuida.

 
That is not a good comparison. Cerberus doesn't fly planes into buildings. They conduct morally ambiguous tests to create stronger soldiers.

Hmmm, I have to disagree. There's really no moral ambiguity here. Injecting Corporal Toombs with thresher maw acid to observe it's effects is torture—not science. The shade of grey we're talking about here is black. Aaaand they murdered an Alliance Admiral who was just trying to find out what happened to some missing marines. Aaaaand they tortured and murdered children just to see if they could improve human biotic potential. Aaaand they experimented on rachni, thorian creepers, and who know what other sentient and sapient creatures. Cerberus might have gotten a Marketing Makeover in ME2 courtesy of TIM, Jacob, and Miranda, but I remember playing ME1, and I remember what a horrible group of monsters Cerberus was and is. And I'm not buying their PR schpiel for a second.

This i agree with

And my goodness Saphra, you have a good point...although I like to think they were working with Shep and not Cerberus...oh, but aint that the bricks to hell.

sheesh  my shep got tired of everyone saying, "You're working with Cerberus!" and my shep al;ways saying, "No, I'm not working for Cerberus...um..wel, you see what had happened was..."

[rapscallioness]

@Angelic lol. yeah....and Tim is a "playa" too. I read the SB files.

[Blitzkrieg0811]

rapscallioness wrote...

sheesh  my shep got tired of everyone saying, "You're working with Cerberus!" and my shep al;ways saying, "No, I'm not working for Cerberus...um..wel, you see what had happened was..."

I know exactly what you mean. omfg...

[AngelicMachinery]

Blitzkrieg0811 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

What about selling your soul to space cthulu in hopes of insuring human supremacy? 

Truthfully though just because you say that they're just trying to create strong soldiers is just rationalizing.  They seem more than willing to do anything as long as it will eventually further their goals.  Even if you don't agree with my theory one has to admit that even a main stream pro human would find Cerberus' actions to be morally dubious at best.

You shouldn't acuse me of rationalization when you're doing just that by saying stuff like "They seem more than willing to do anything as long as it will eventually further their goals."  And while it's true that Cerberus has its fair share of atrocities, the Alliance sure as hell wasn't about to resurrect Shepard and rebuild the Normandy. 
 
Besides, all this Cerberus debate is irrelevant. The fact remains that both Ashley and Kaidan were retcon'd into losing all the trust they had for their CO. A man who they've known for years....

It's not rationalizing when you ME shows you just that.

Also the Cerberus debate isn't irrelevant as it is what causes Ashley or Kaidan's trust to falter in the first place.  This isn't just them whining because Shepard didn't call and it has everything to do with him showing up with a rogue alliance group that was in their eyes a terrorist orginization.