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[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I don't dislike him. I am just indifferent towards him. He didn't have any personality qualities that stuck out to me, nothing that made him stand out. And I felt that I couldn't empathise with him, as I didn't have that connection.

Although I didn't like what he said to Thane at all. It was unprovoked, and to be frank, quite immature. However, I felt that that conversation was out of character for him.

[Estelindis]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

I didn't like what he said to Thane at all. It was unprovoked, and to be frank, quite immature. However, I felt that that conversation was out of character for him.

I agree.  Why would Jacob attack Thane verbally for being a paid killer when Jacob himself could arguably be described as such himself?  I think part of the problem with Jacob's character is a lack of consistency. 

[Labrev]

GMagnum wrote...

GMagnum wrote...

armass wrote...

GMagnum wrote...

because he's black

Kinda racist...

obv. doesnt know da qualifications of being racist
no1 wants 2 say it but i bet if he was a big white dude w/ flowing blonde locks, blue eyes & a eight pack his fan topic would be as big if not bigger than say mirandas even if his personality was da same

just sayin

Except you're wrong:

CptBomBom00 wrote...

Camon how people can dislike Jacob he's the only Black dude in your squad.

I've actually seen more people LIKE Jacob for racially-arrogant reasons than people that don't like him.

Hell I'm not white. And if Jacob were my race, I'd just hate him more.

[Skullheart]

The turian in the citadel has the answer "You humans are all racists."

[AngelicMachinery]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...


Hell I'm not white. And if Jacob were my race, I'd just hate him more.

Wait?  I don't understand how you could hate him more.  I could understand hating him exactly the same ammount,  but, more just blows my mind.

Modifié par AngelicMachinery, 22 octobre 2011 - 07:48 .

[naledgeborn]

Jacob's the ****! Couple of "paramour" lines aside it's not his fault the BSN doesn't realize it.

[Labrev]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...


Hell I'm not white. And if Jacob were my race, I'd just hate him more.

Wait?  I don't understand how you could hate him more.  I could understand hating him exactly the same ammount,  but, more just blows my mind.

Because I'd want a brown squadmate to be cool, not totally lame like he is.

As is, my hate for Jacob is rooted in the fact that I *want* to like him, but the more I see of him the less I like.

[jeweledleah]

Estelindis wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

I didn't like what he said to Thane at all. It was unprovoked, and to be frank, quite immature. However, I felt that that conversation was out of character for him.

I agree.  Why would Jacob attack Thane verbally for being a paid killer when Jacob himself could arguably be described as such himself?  I think part of the problem with Jacob's character is a lack of consistency. 

Jacob is not a mercenary.  Jacob joined Cerberus because they have shown to him that they can get the job done without getting bogged down in beurocracy and red tape.  he is not happy with their methods, but their goals coincide with his own.  unfortunately, a lot of this information is only seen in Galaxy, and not expanded enough on in ME.  it barely gets mentioned in like one sentence late in a game.  corsairs are not really deliberated on either.

Thane however, with his philosophy if his body being a weapon for his employers and his soul not being responsible for what his body does?  not only is he an actual assasin for hire - any hire, he's an assasin that doesn't feel remorse for his assasinations for hire.  and its something hinted on, in his dossier, which Thane then ellaborates on.  the only time he feels remorse is when it becomes personal to him  (and I'm not saying Thane is a bad man.  I'm saying that he's a dangerous man and not someone I'd feel secure around while he's not in my employ)

I can totaly see why Jacob would be innitialy suspicious of Thane. 

[The_Crazy_Hand]

I purposely get him killed via seeker swarm abduction every time (the most horrible death available on the suicide mission).

He's an ass, there's no call for his treatment of Legion.

Cue his Fan Dumb coming to flame the crap out of me for this.

[jeweledleah]

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

I purposely get him killed via seeker swarm abduction every time (the most horrible death available on the suicide mission).

He's an ass, there's no call for his treatment of Legion.

Cue his Fan Dumb coming to flame the crap out of me for this.

huh?  you mean legion the Geth?  part of,oh I don't know the race of mashines that DECIMATED AND HUSKIFIED the colony of Eden prime that Jacob SERVED ON? and if you actualy did Tali's loyalty mission before getting legion - same race that killed everyone on board of Alarai?

yeah, no call at all to be mistrustful >_>

[Labrev]

Except if he was there to witness Legion saving the squad from a small horde of husks that had crept up behind them. Then it's just stupid, much like his unwarranted suspicion of Thane just because "ooh he's an assassin" never mind being clearly inclined to help pro-bono.

[The_Crazy_Hand]

Said Fan Dumb replies, LOL

Let me guess, no amount of pointing out how it got itself hurt letting you into the core room or sniping husks on your behalf, plainly making itself known in doing so halfway through will get through to you?

This is proof right here that even the suckiest guy in the game has fanboys.

Jewleed or whatever is a racist who also dons the name "Helter Skelter" on TV Tropes, if that helps you folk to know what a crackpot he is.

Modifié par The_Crazy_Hand, 22 octobre 2011 - 08:21 .

[GMagnum]

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

I purposely get him killed via seeker swarm abduction every time (the most horrible death available on the suicide mission).

He's an ass, there's no call for his treatment of Legion.

Cue his Fan Dumb coming to flame the crap out of me for this.

lmaooooooooooooo /dead

[AngelicMachinery]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Because I'd want a brown squadmate to be cool, not totally lame like he is.

As is, my hate for Jacob is rooted in the fact that I *want* to like him, but the more I see of him the less I like.

I see,  though,   I'm still confused about the whole lame thing myself.  Sure he's not crazy or full of angst...  but,  he seems to be a rather down to earth guy.  I know that might make him "Dull" to some.  Truthfully He's one of those characters that I'd want to have at my back just like Kaidan in ME.

[jeweledleah]

blinks.

1. I don't even have a TV tropes account.
2. Legion was there for his own purpose, obviously, seeing as he was hacking that console by the reaper core.  Geth are not stupid, he could have easily figured that he could use Shepard to clear out some of the oposition, make hacking easier and all
3. it was only a couple of husks and Shepard has handled bigger waves of husks then that.
4. he knows Shepard's name and he's wearing Shepard's armor. as curious as it is, legion is still Geth. and as such - dangerous and hostile until proven otherwise. spacing him is the safest solution.
5. I actually like Legion and I'm sure it will surprise you, but I'm more sympathetic towards Geth then quarians in general. however, not being a ****** going into "OMG, A COOL ROBOT - HOW DARE YOU BE SUSPICIOUS OF A COOL ROBOT!" paroxysm of fanboism, I'm capable of realizing that GETH cannot automatically be trusted. and Shepard seems to agree with the sentiment, goes to talk to Legion WITH guard present and with Legion being isolated by a barrier and with EDI keeping super careful watch on firewalls - ready to destroy him at any sign of aggression.

as for Thane - seems like Jacob is not aware of pro-bono status, seeing as you can actually tell him that when he shows his distrust. and there's this whole precedent that you allare very happily ignoring.

I'm not saying that you should like Jacob. but if you are going to list the reasons for it that are as shakey as yours, don't be surprised when they are, well shaken

Modifié par jeweledleah, 22 octobre 2011 - 08:35 .

[Quething]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Because I'd want a brown squadmate to be cool, not totally lame like he is.

As is, my hate for Jacob is rooted in the fact that I *want* to like him, but the more I see of him the less I like.

I see,  though,   I'm still confused about the whole lame thing myself.  Sure he's not crazy or full of angst...  but,  he seems to be a rather down to earth guy.  I know that might make him "Dull" to some.  Truthfully He's one of those characters that I'd want to have at my back just like Kaidan in ME.

He's very off-putting. His "I have nothing to say" line is dismissive and curt. He calls his father's rape and murder camp a "juvenile fantasy" and not, you know, a horrific rape and murder camp, and then plays the whole thing off later like "meh, whatever." Express skepticism at his fairly hollow-sounding denials that his LM was in any way a big deal, or in fact show any interest in his past or emotions whatsoever, and he'll get pissed off at you. He tells a femShep that Miranda "requires a better man" than he, apparently indifferent to what that means about a romancing femShep's relative romantic merit. Invite him up to your cabin and it's all, "let's have some sex baby" with a horrifically facepalmingly poorly thought-out pickup line; turn him down and suddenly it's "I love you" which of course doesn't come across as manipulative at all right?

It's not all femShep either, he does his weird 180 from totally friendly, open, understanding dude on Freedom's Progress to total closed-off WHY ARE YOU TALKING TO ME I AM SUSPICIOUS OF YOU AND DISLIKE THESE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE to a dudeShep too. It's hard to like a character who's nice to you one minute and then suddenly yelling at you for trying to have a friendly conversation the next. Even if he does apologize, all "Cerberus makes you suspicious!" it's still a total WTF moment. So you weren't working for Cerberus yesterday, then, or what?

I like him, but it's really largely leftover fondness from ME:Galaxy speaking, in spite of his ME2 portrayal, rather than because of anything in ME2. The one good thing about his writing that his fans always trumpet - the fact that he actually asks Shep how she feels - isn't even a note in his favor. Thane asks you too. Chakwas and Kelly both ask you without even having to flirt with them first. Jacob's just the only one who Shepard is allowed to reply to - and that's not to Jacob's credit any more than femShep's creepy sexual harassment is to his fault.

Modifié par Quething, 22 octobre 2011 - 08:45 .

[Labrev]

jeweledleah wrote...

blinks.

1. I don't even have a TV tropes account.
2. Legion was there for his own purpose, obviously, seeing as he was hacking that console by the reaper core.  Geth are not stupid, he could have easily figured that he could use Shepard to clear out some of the oposition, make hacking easier and all
3. it was only a couple of husks and Shepard has handled bigger waves of husks then that.
4. he knows Shepard's name and he's wearing Shepard's armor. as curious as it is, legion is still Geth. and as such - dangerous and hostile until proven otherwise. spacing him is the safest solution.
5. I actually like Legion and I'm sure it will surprise you, but I'm more sympathetic towards Geth then quarians in general. however, not being a ****** going into "OMG, A COOL ROBOT - HOW DARE YOU BE SUSPICIOUS OF A COOL ROBOT!" paroxysm of fanboism, I'm capable of realizing that GETH cannot automatically be trusted. and Shepard seems to agree with the sentiment, goes to talk to Legion WITH guard present and with Legion being isolated by a barrier and with EDI keeping super careful watch on firewalls - ready to destroy him at any sign of aggression.

as for Thane - seems like Jacob is not aware of pro-bono status, seeing as you can actually tell him that when he shows his distrust. and there's this whole precedent that you allare very happily ignoring.

He already proved non-hostile on the ship, the fact that it was only a couple husks doesn't change the fact he helped. He could've even shot the woefully-oblivious Shepard when he saw him.

If Tali is in-squad, Jacob even seems to support bringing it on the ship. Jacob can be there in Thane's recruitment too and know he's working for free, still the oversight. Take Jacob to the final-boss and deny TIM the base, he'll still wish he could have seen his face. Why? I don't know. Bad writing. Unforunately, that's been cemented into his character now. Bad, self-contradictory writing, sometimes the sterotypical black man. Very poorly-written. Not cliched/Mary Sue-bad like Thane, but pretty awful.

Even seeing over the bad-writing leaves a guy unimpressed. Nice guy wanting to make a difference? Conrad Verner is a nice guy wanting to make a difference, should I love him? Jacob just has more brains and knows how to use a gun. Other than that, what else to say?

[jeweledleah]

@ Quething, I think we are just interpreting the same actions in different light and well - that's the thing with personal impressions, they are rarely the same for everyone.

I do agree that his change between Lazarus stations and Normandy was... abrupt. as was Miranda's, sadly :/
Chakwas is a medical professional, Kelly is supposed to be Ships' psychiatrist and when does Thane ask you? i remember making vacation plans with him and him telling Shepard how she's giving him hope again (or something of that nature) but I don't remember him asking how she feels about things in general.

the only other character that asks Shepard how she or he is doing - is Liara, and only in DLC :/

@ Ha Yes..Jacob is not the only character suffering from inconsistent writing in ME2 - ALL of them do. he just gets the most hate.  ofME2 squadmates anyways, Horizon didn't do VS any favors in that department.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 22 octobre 2011 - 08:55 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...


Even seeing over the bad-writing leaves a guy unimpressed. Nice guy wanting to make a difference? Conrad Verner is a nice guy wanting to make a difference, should I love him? Jacob just has more brains and knows how to use a gun. Other than that, what else to say?

I  Conrad Verner.  He'll have his crowning moment of awesome in ME3 just you wait.

[Unpleasant Implications]

It's not that I don't like Jacob, I just like most of my squad more than him.

[Seboist]

Jacob just doesn't fit in with the rest of the squad. It's like they took a random crewmember like Gardner or Chakwas and made them into a squadmate to fulfill the 12 member quota cause they were running out of time.

There's simply nothing remarkable about him or his backstory. He was a security guard Cerberus hired to do.... what exactly? They already had mechs, which were laying down a can of whoopass on him by the way.

[ADLegend21]

Estelindis wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

I didn't like what he said to Thane at all. It was unprovoked, and to be frank, quite immature. However, I felt that that conversation was out of character for him.

I agree.  Why would Jacob attack Thane verbally for being a paid killer when Jacob himself could arguably be described as such himself?  I think part of the problem with Jacob's character is a lack of consistency. 

Because Technically, he's working for a Spectre and following her orders which meamsn he's working for the coucil. Also as an assain he's taken Civilian lives, something Jacob would never do. thane even describes  that he was goign to kill a Civilian when he met his wife and she stopped him.

[Drinking Shepard]

Seboist wrote...

Jacob just doesn't fit in with the rest of the squad. It's like they took a random crewmember like Gardner or Chakwas and made them into a squadmate to fulfill the 12 member quota cause they were running out of time.

There's simply nothing remarkable about him or his backstory. He was a security guard Cerberus hired to do.... what exactly? They already had mechs, which were laying down a can of whoopass on him by the way.

Would be more interesting if he was an ex go go dancer on Omega or something. He, himself and his - it's all so boring, indeed 

[lazuli]

Seboist wrote...

Jacob just doesn't fit in with the rest of the squad. It's like they took a random crewmember like Gardner or Chakwas and made them into a squadmate to fulfill the 12 member quota cause they were running out of time.

There's simply nothing remarkable about him or his backstory. He was a security guard Cerberus hired to do.... what exactly? They already had mechs, which were laying down a can of whoopass on him by the way.

Jacob was the star of Mass Effect: Galaxy.  He's not just a security guard.

[Darc_Requiem]

Aeowyn wrote...

Darc_Requiem wrote...

Jacob is the human male lead. That's why. I mean his two counterparts are an assassin abandons his son after his wife dies and a former C-Sec officer that seems to do whatever Shepard says without question.Give a human character either personality and I doubt they'd be popular.

Heck Kaidan was called a whiner. He gives tactical analysis voluntarily and gives person info at Shepard's behest. Yet he is was called a whiner. Garrus was more fitting of the title but he was cool looking alien....and the rest is history.

Wow Darc, this again? Really?

Kaidan has a larger fanbase than Jacob. Both being human leads. And stop coming with the "he's not a cool looking alien". Why not just accept that some people dislike Jacob because he has a ****ty personality and there's no other reason behind that?

Yep this again. You know it's my opinion the situation. I feel it supported by alien leads with more flawed personalities having stronger fanbases. Abandoning your child after his mother dies is pretty brutal and if Thane was human, you think he'd be popular? 

@Seboist

Jacob saved the Council from a being killed by Batarian terrorists. 

Modifié par Darc_Requiem, 22 octobre 2011 - 09:45 .