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[Blacklash93]

Seboist wrote...

Jacob just doesn't fit in with the rest of the squad. It's like they took a random crewmember like Gardner or Chakwas and made them into a squadmate to fulfill the 12 member quota cause they were running out of time.

Jacob was probably one of the first new characters concieved for ME2. He was filling in the "2 human beginning squad members" quota, if anything.

[slimgrin]

Jacob is the token black character, a regular uncle tom, and it pisses me off the writers couldn't do more with him.

[Estelindis]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Technically, he's working for a Spectre and following her orders which meamsn he's working for the coucil. Also as an assain he's taken Civilian lives, something Jacob would never do. thane even describes  that he was goign to kill a Civilian when he met his wife and she stopped him.

If Jacob is working for the Council because he's working for Shepard, then so too is Thane.  I do think you're right that Jacob wouldn't condone taking civilian lives, though; I concede that point.

[Darc_Requiem]

slimgrin wrote...

Jacob is the token black character, a regular uncle tom, and it pisses me off the writers couldn't do more with him.

Do you know the definition of a token black character? Or Uncle Tom for that matter? Jacob isn't a walking stereotype incapable of speaking proper English.  i.e. Cole Train of Gears of War fame.

[ADLegend21]

Estelindis wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Technically, he's working for a Spectre and following her orders which meamsn he's working for the coucil. Also as an assain he's taken Civilian lives, something Jacob would never do. thane even describes  that he was goign to kill a Civilian when he met his wife and she stopped him.

If Jacob is working for the Council because he's working for Shepard, then so too is Thane.  I do think you're right that Jacob wouldn't condone taking civilian lives, though; I concede that point.

True Thane is too, but Jacob's issue is with his past not present. He's stopped a assasination attmept on the council and knows they kill Civilians for money. That's my rational on why he's abrasive towrd him.

[Aeowyn]

Darc_Requiem wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Darc_Requiem wrote...

Jacob is the human male lead. That's why. I mean his two counterparts are an assassin abandons his son after his wife dies and a former C-Sec officer that seems to do whatever Shepard says without question.Give a human character either personality and I doubt they'd be popular.

Heck Kaidan was called a whiner. He gives tactical analysis voluntarily and gives person info at Shepard's behest. Yet he is was called a whiner. Garrus was more fitting of the title but he was cool looking alien....and the rest is history.

Wow Darc, this again? Really?

Kaidan has a larger fanbase than Jacob. Both being human leads. And stop coming with the "he's not a cool looking alien". Why not just accept that some people dislike Jacob because he has a ****ty personality and there's no other reason behind that?

Yep this again. You know it's my opinion the situation. I feel it supported by alien leads with more flawed personalities having stronger fanbases. Abandoning your child after his mother dies is pretty brutal and if Thane was human, you think he'd be popular? 

@Seboist

Jacob saved the Council from a being killed by Batarian terrorists. 

Replace the abandoned child with child you thought was dead and gave up looking for, and you have Carth. And I like Jacob better than Thane. 
But hey, maybe some people like their alien squaddies better than Jacob because Jacob's personality doesn't appeal to them at all? 

[Gallimatia]

People misinterpret Shepard's way of talking to Jacob. It's not the man that has her excited it's the proximity to the guns. She was the same around Gunnery Chief Williams in ME1.

[jtav]

Jacob's just...I have no idea who he is or what he wants. What drives him? He's also closed off and I feel like I know him no better now than when we net. He's outraged by mass rape. That's...not unique. His relationship with his father is nonexistent. Add in passive-aggressiveness and you have a character I don't like.

[Estelindis]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Jacob's issue is with his past not present. He's stopped a assasination attmept on the council and knows they kill Civilians for money. That's my rational on why he's abrasive towrd him.

The really interesting thing there, to my mind, is that the ones who tried to kill the Council could be called terrorists just as easily as assassins.  A lot of people see Cerberus as terrorists.

[jeweledleah]

Aeowyn wrote...

Replace the abandoned child with child you thought was dead and gave up looking for, and you have Carth. And I like Jacob better than Thane. 
But hey, maybe some people like their alien squaddies better than Jacob because Jacob's personality doesn't appeal to them at all? 

som do and that's absolutely fine.  not everyone willlike every personality type.  its when people start bringing up reasons why.. and those reasons start making little to no sence?  yeah...

[tonnactus]

Funny how many people didnt like kaidan because he seems to be a "whiner". And now, in Mass Effect 2, jacob is the only one who isnt a crybaby except legion and most people didnt like him...

[CuseGirl]

Well....I dont wanna open the can of worms but Jacob is a black male character who isn't portrayed as ignorant, over aggressive, unnecessarily violent, ____insert black stereotype here__, etc. He's not what non-black gamers are used to, he's almost too normal.

From a writing standpoint, i feel like there wasn't one person writing his dialogue/story. Sometimes he sounds like he's fighting for "what's right", other times it sounds like he just wants attention.

From a gameplay standpoint, he's actually good for crowd control and drawing fire while u flank (with his barrier, he can stand around in the open except above hardcore), and who doesn't need squad incendiary ammo?

[Estelindis]

tonnactus wrote...

Funny how many people didnt like kaidan because he seems to be a "whiner".

Except that he wasn't. 

[tonnactus]

Estelindis wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

Funny how many people didnt like kaidan because he seems to be a "whiner".

Except that he wasn't. 

Exactly. Thats why i wrote " seems to be".

Modifié par tonnactus, 22 octobre 2011 - 10:51 .

[Pockles]

slimgrin wrote...
Jacob is the token black character, a regular uncle tom, and it pisses me off the writers couldn't do more with him.

So I guess Anderson is just really tan?

Modifié par Pockles, 22 octobre 2011 - 10:51 .

[Zakatak757]

Pockles wrote...

slimgrin wrote...
Jacob is the token black character, a regular uncle tom, and it pisses me off the writers couldn't do more with him.

So I guess Anderson is just really tan?

Anderson is an awesome character with an interesting history. The ACTUAL first Human Spectre, before Saren cut his career short. Anderson tanks C-Sec turians and punches Udina in the mouth. Jacob is Kanye West with an inconsistent personality.

Anderson > Jacob, skin colour isn't even a factor here.

[CuseGirl]

Zakatak757 wrote...
Anderson is an awesome character with an interesting history. The ACTUAL first Human Spectre, before Saren cut his career short. Anderson tanks C-Sec turians and punches Udina in the mouth. Jacob is Kanye West with an inconsistent personality.

Anderson > Jacob, skin colour isn't even a factor here.

seriously, where did this "Jacob looks like Kanye" nonsense come from? He looks nothing like him.

[Pockles]

Zakatak757 wrote...

Pockles wrote...

slimgrin wrote...
Jacob is the token black character, a regular uncle tom, and it pisses me off the writers couldn't do more with him.

So I guess Anderson is just really tan?

Anderson is an awesome character with an interesting history. The ACTUAL first Human Spectre, before Saren cut his career short. Anderson tanks C-Sec turians and punches Udina in the mouth. Jacob is Kanye West with an inconsistent personality.

Anderson > Jacob, skin colour isn't even a factor here.

Skin color is definitely not a factor. slimgrin said Jacob is "the token black character". But, Anderson is also black. I was pointing out an error and trying to be snarky about it.

Modifié par Pockles, 22 octobre 2011 - 11:11 .

[CuseGirl]

Pockles wrote...
Skin color is definitely not a factor. slimgrin said Jacob is "the token black character". But, Anderson is also black. I was pointing out an error and trying to be snarky about it.

remember, there's a new crop of ME gamers (like myself) who didn't play ME-1. So Anderson is almost a non-thought to us.

[DoNotIngest]

tonnactus wrote...

Funny how many people didnt like kaidan because he seems to be a "whiner". And now, in Mass Effect 2, jacob is the only one who isnt a crybaby except legion and most people didnt like him...

Everyone's a whiner, eh? Well, don't forget, Legion wants you to do something about the Heretics. And Jacob is concerned about his father. So everyone's a whiner.


Why do I get the feeling you complain frequently and irrationally?

[Pockles]

CuseGirl wrote...

Pockles wrote...
Skin color is definitely not a factor. slimgrin said Jacob is "the token black character". But, Anderson is also black. I was pointing out an error and trying to be snarky about it.

remember, there's a new crop of ME gamers (like myself) who didn't play ME-1. So Anderson is almost a non-thought to us.

But Anderson is in ME2. It's kind of difficult to not talk to him.

[spirosz]

Jacob is my boyyyyyyyyy, we can get live on the citadel and hopefully win some priiiiiiiiiiiiiiizes.

[StephanieBengal]

Darc_Requiem wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Jacob is the token black character, a regular uncle tom, and it pisses me off the writers couldn't do more with him.

Do you know the definition of a token black character? Or Uncle Tom for that matter? Jacob isn't a walking stereotype incapable of speaking proper English.  i.e. Cole Train of Gears of War fame.

I was wondering when some jackass was gonna say something like this, clearly they don't know what those words mean.  Honestly this is why I hardly can discussion race or diversity on any level. Be it in real life or on a damn forum. Just shut your stupid ass up. 

[CuseGirl]

Pockles wrote...
But Anderson is in ME2. It's kind of difficult to not talk to him.

He's "in" ME-2 for all of 3 minutes, to new gamers, he's not really in the game. Jacob is apart of ur crew, u see him everytime u get a new crew member, everytime u go to switchup ur loadout. By using Anderson as evidence that race isn't a possible factor in why Jacob's characterization is under-appreciated/disliked is disregarding the fact that Anderson isn't really a part of ME-2.