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[FoxHound109]

iakus wrote...

But when I interacted with Jacob, I saw a frustrated Alliance soldier tired of bureacracy and red tape, of being second-guessed by his superiors.  The guy wanted to go out and do something.  Of course he's going to jump on the Shepard bandwagon!  Shepard gets results, and defies authority to do so!  In many ways Jacob is what Shepard could have been if he Collectors hadn't interfered.

I feel like I should Photoshop a picture of Garrus here with Hipster glasses and a line or two about doing that first.

[Chun Hei]

Maybe people are just self conscious when dealing with Jacob. If someone stands in front of you and spends hours upon hours asking questions about your personal life and gets all up in your business you would probably call him/her an **** or a nosy ****. Forget the stupidity of Jacob being Shaft (because they are both Black I guess) how would you feel if Shepard, the soldier you spent years idolizing, was really Space Oprah? Maybe the reason Jacob is quiet around Shepard is because he believe if you do not have something nice to say you should not say anything at all.

[Chun Hei]

Or maybe the haters are just jealous. Kasumi does not want to get into male Shepard's pants. She wants to get into Jacob's.

[Darc_Requiem]

slimgrin wrote...

Abispa wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I think we all need to be reminded of how retarded ' The prize' really was.

So, you are upset with the lines he used before you two started having sex. You prefered, "Be alive with me tonight!"?

He's a yes-man. Why in the hell did they have to make the only black character a suck up? It's ridiculous. 

Yes man? The only character in ME1 or ME2 that can dump Shepard is a yes-man. <_<

@StephanieBengal

I sincerely hope you are joking. If not you don't know what you are talking about.

Modifié par Darc_Requiem, 23 octobre 2011 - 06:15 .

[ADLegend21]

slimgrin wrote...

Abispa wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I think we all need to be reminded of how retarded ' The prize' really was.

So, you are upset with the lines he used before you two started having sex. You prefered, "Be alive with me tonight!"?

He's a yes-man. Why in the hell did they have to make the only black character a suck up? It's ridiculous. 

a yes man. I dare you to start his romance do his LM and make him talk about his dad and we'll see how much ao f ayes man he really is when he dumps your femshep can calls her a **** with a  fake psych degree. He's the ONLY character that will dump Shepard and you call him a yes man. that just shows how little you know about him.

[Gallimatia]

I don't think he's a yes man either. He is adamant about spacing Legion for one. Something Shepard can't agree to. He is also eager to save the crew and will question you if you insist on preparing more, similar to how Miranda will question you if you insist on rushing off without full loyalties. Then there's the snippy comment if you leave him behind to protect Garrus. In regular converations he will brush Shepard off if certain lines are used.

A scene from after picking up Grunt also comes to mind (link). Shouldn't a yes man agree that Grunt's unpredictability is interesting rather than shake his head in disapproval?

OT: Tali will dump you if you side with Legion after completing the romance and Miranda will dump you if you side with Jack and vice versa.

[lazuli]

FoxHound109 wrote...

You called?


Ah, a thread about how much Jacob sucks as a character. Now this I can get down with! I find him boring because he is incapable of having any kind of decent, thought provoking conversation with my manShep. More so: everyone of the other crew members has some sort of revelation when it comes to their loyalty missions, but even in this case, Jacob might as well be a prop in the scenery for all his reaction is worth it

As a character, Jacob is interested in the failures of bureaucracy.  He wants to do the right thing, and feels frustrated when those in power don't use their resources for good.  He's all about action, about getting things done.  That's the point.  He's not supposed to wallow in grief after dealing with his father.  That's not Jacob. 

In an effective story, every character need not be dynamic.  If every character goes through some wondrous metamorphosis, the reader (or player) will become desensitized to these transformations.  They will lose their meaning.  Including a solid character that refuses to be overtly swayed by Shepard or the personal tragedies he encounters is an intriguing move on Bioware's part, and one I can appreciate.

I think you can easily read his character as being emotionally repressed.  He never wants to talk about the travesty with his father.  It's hard to pin him down when it comes to romance as his dialogue is a minefield of rejections.

But I find it more convincing to think of him as a man who is determined to remain in control of himself.  He has seen a lot.  He has respect for Shepard, though, and refuses to burden him/her with unnecessary baggage.  I won't argue that all of his lines are perfectly written.  His comments to Thane and Tali seem out of character.  And there's really no accounting for taste.  All the same, I like Jacob.  He's my favorite squadmate, and I hope he plays a large role in ME3.

[panamakira]

I liked Jacob but he wasn't one of my favorite character. I liked that he was grounded and professional and yes "normal" considering the rest of the crew, so I can see how he's a turn off (let's not talk about his romance scene) because he doesn't have an amazing secret or starts crying his problems out to Shep. He's just professional and I think among the chaos he's the kind of guy you want to have around for level-headed decisions. Y'know balance the team.

Although unrelated when Miranda acted "professional", she came off as cold ****...(excuse me Miranda fans, couldn't stand the Jack scene), and she was hot alright but I couldn't stand her "cool professionalism"...so I think there's a difference~

Having said that there were many other much more interesting characters than Jacob, He fell flat in many instances and had the potential to be better but didn't really get there~

[tonnactus]

Chun Hei wrote...

Or maybe the haters are just jealous. Kasumi does not want to get into male Shepard's pants. She wants to get into Jacob's.

And he f* Miranda before Shepardt did it...

[lazuli]

tonnactus wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

Or maybe the haters are just jealous. Kasumi does not want to get into male Shepard's pants. She wants to get into Jacob's.

And he f* Miranda before Shepardt did it...

That's a good point, tonnactus.  It's 2011 and everything, but that doesn't mean people have left all of their misogynistic baggage behind.

[jtav]

My issue with Jacob/Miranda is that I don't think he's over her quite yet and, combined with other factors, it makes him unappealing as a romance.

[Labrev]

Chun Hei wrote...

Or maybe the haters are just jealous. Kasumi does not want to get into male Shepard's pants. She wants to get into Jacob's.

LOL dude just stop. A conversation (running a minute, tops, not hours upon hours as you want to dramaticize it out to be) hardly constitutes a Space Oprah. And guess what, I have no interest in Kasumi either so there goes that.

Funny thing, my Troll-Shep pursued Jacob, and he asks her how she's doing. There's a response to stay private. You know, like he does to you (unless apparently you're trying to get in his pants). So I decided to give him a taste of his own medicine.

Guess what, he didn't like it and called it all off!

[FoxHound109]

lazuli wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...

You called?


Ah, a thread about how much Jacob sucks as a character. Now this I can get down with! I find him boring because he is incapable of having any kind of decent, thought provoking conversation with my manShep. More so: everyone of the other crew members has some sort of revelation when it comes to their loyalty missions, but even in this case, Jacob might as well be a prop in the scenery for all his reaction is worth it

As a character, Jacob is interested in the failures of bureaucracy.  He wants to do the right thing, and feels frustrated when those in power don't use their resources for good.  He's all about action, about getting things done.  That's the point.  He's not supposed to wallow in grief after dealing with his father.  That's not Jacob. 

In an effective story, every character need not be dynamic.  If every character goes through some wondrous metamorphosis, the reader (or player) will become desensitized to these transformations.  They will lose their meaning.  Including a solid character that refuses to be overtly swayed by Shepard or the personal tragedies he encounters is an intriguing move on Bioware's part, and one I can appreciate.

I think you can easily read his character as being emotionally repressed.  He never wants to talk about the travesty with his father.  It's hard to pin him down when it comes to romance as his dialogue is a minefield of rejections.

But I find it more convincing to think of him as a man who is determined to remain in control of himself.  He has seen a lot.  He has respect for Shepard, though, and refuses to burden him/her with unnecessary baggage.  I won't argue that all of his lines are perfectly written.  His comments to Thane and Tali seem out of character.  And there's really no accounting for taste.  All the same, I like Jacob.  He's my favorite squadmate, and I hope he plays a large role in ME3.

Again, change every "Jacob" in your comment to "Garrus" and you have the exact same story. The difference is that Garrus suffers a crisis of identity because of it. Garrus is more human than Jacob and he's an alien.

[Destroy Raiden_]

I don't like Jacob because of fshep actually. I was happy to get a black crewmen for once sense in every scifi world they're very rare but fshep couldn't shutup! I want to be nice, I want to say hi and she interprets that as get in my bed! This was the only time such an issue came up no one else has this happen! I can't blame the guy for not wanting to talk to her! I'm one of the few who hopes he comes back in 3 so I can talk to him with my fshep not trying any more advances on him! I liked how he was the most normal guy on the freaking ship and he was private but in a quite way not Jack's leave me the hell alone way. I felt I could've gotten to like his personality if fshep realized she should be professional with him but she was a complete leech! I didn't mind how ME eased you into flirting with so and so with Jacob they skipped all the niceties.

[Plakto]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

I don't like Jacob because of fshep actually. I was happy to get a black crewmen for once sense in every scifi world they're very rare but fshep couldn't shutup! I want to be nice, I want to say hi and she interprets that as get in my bed! This was the only time such an issue came up no one else has this happen! I can't blame the guy for not wanting to talk to her! I'm one of the few who hopes he comes back in 3 so I can talk to him with my fshep not trying any more advances on him! I liked how he was the most normal guy on the freaking ship and he was private but in a quite way not Jack's leave me the hell alone way. I felt I could've gotten to like his personality if fshep realized she should be professional with him but she was a complete leech! I didn't mind how ME eased you into flirting with so and so with Jacob they skipped all the niceties.

This. I support jacob. I really do. Not because I was thrilled to have a black guy, that's irrelevant, but because I liked his character development and design. He wasn't the mopey, weapy clingly guy that Kaiden was and neither was he the funny romance of garrus - he was something completely diffrent and people didn't know how to respond to it so they responded with hate. Pathetic.

what I hated was how fshep because a **** whenever she was around him. Look, I like him, I didnt hate the romance, but nothing turns me off more than she walking to a room and looking like she needed to get in his pants at Hello. I react to same to fangirls and garrus. Seriously? That craps inappropritate. (and I'm so glad Jacob thinks so too, until after his loyalty mission)

Finally, the only reason i didn't romance him is because in comparison to garrus,  thane & samara he wasn't as dynamic in history. Solid, but not awe inspiring like his competition. Also, why bang humans when there are alients readily available....

[Zkyire]

Oh please folks, keep it up.

So far we have two different posters saying that if we don't like Jacob it's because we're either jealous of a fictional character, or misogynists.

Great stuff.

[Purre76]

Plakto wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

I don't like Jacob because of fshep actually. I was happy to get a black crewmen for once sense in every scifi world they're very rare but fshep couldn't shutup! I want to be nice, I want to say hi and she interprets that as get in my bed! This was the only time such an issue came up no one else has this happen! I can't blame the guy for not wanting to talk to her! I'm one of the few who hopes he comes back in 3 so I can talk to him with my fshep not trying any more advances on him! I liked how he was the most normal guy on the freaking ship and he was private but in a quite way not Jack's leave me the hell alone way. I felt I could've gotten to like his personality if fshep realized she should be professional with him but she was a complete leech! I didn't mind how ME eased you into flirting with so and so with Jacob they skipped all the niceties.

This. I support jacob. I really do. Not because I was thrilled to have a black guy, that's irrelevant, but because I liked his character development and design. He wasn't the mopey, weapy clingly guy that Kaiden was and neither was he the funny romance of garrus - he was something completely diffrent and people didn't know how to respond to it so they responded with hate. Pathetic.

what I hated was how fshep because a **** whenever she was around him. Look, I like him, I didnt hate the romance, but nothing turns me off more than she walking to a room and looking like she needed to get in his pants at Hello. I react to same to fangirls and garrus. Seriously? That craps inappropritate. (and I'm so glad Jacob thinks so too, until after his loyalty mission)

Finally, the only reason i didn't romance him is because in comparison to garrus,  thane & samara he wasn't as dynamic in history. Solid, but not awe inspiring like his competition. Also, why bang humans when there are alients readily available....

Thirded. My guess is BioWare didn't playtest Jacob's discussions as well as they did with other characters. Only reason I can think of why they made this big error.

[Nyreen]

Abispa wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I think we all need to be reminded of how retarded ' The prize' really was.

So, you are upset with the lines he used before you two started having sex. You prefered, "Be alive with me tonight!"?

No, I preferred "I want something to go right. Just this once."

Plus "Your hair looks nice, and your waist is...very supportive." Awkward Garrus is to die for.

[ADLegend21]

Celestina wrote...

Abispa wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I think we all need to be reminded of how retarded ' The prize' really was.

So, you are upset with the lines he used before you two started having sex. You prefered, "Be alive with me tonight!"?

No, I preferred "I want something to go right. Just this once."

Plus "Your hair looks nice, and your waist is...very supportive." Awkward Garrus is to die for.

Well I'll take "We're at our last hours, heading straight into the enemy, win, lose, doesn't matter....I love you" over Turian compliments. which is what you get when you laugh at "The priiize"

[Eyeshield21]

thesnake777 wrote...

I dont hate him but I think there are better characters then him.

yeah, he's just there, thats it. I don't hate the guy, but compared to the rest of the squadies, he's just too normal, and I know some people like that, but for the rest of us its either alien or crazy, or both. Just how it is, I guess.

[Seboist]

The sad thing about Jacob is that he could have been a great character. He could have been this great Alistair like buddy that Shepard could relate to(being ex. alliance turned Cerberus) instead of some dull brooder that says nothing of interest.

[Dave of Canada]

Seboist wrote...

The sad thing about Jacob is that he could have been a great character. He could have been this great Alistair like buddy that Shepard could relate to(being ex. alliance turned Cerberus) instead of some dull brooder that says nothing of interest.

Honestly, that's what the character first started as. I love his first Renegade speech where he mentions the true heroes are never mentioned in the spotlight and how you were the Alliance's poster boy for six months after you died. Wish it stayed that way.