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[S.A.K]

Siansonea II wrote...

I honestly don't think his ethnicity is an issue for most people. Maybe a few people dislike him because he's black, but that couldn't possibly account for his lack of popularity. There are plenty of popular black characters in video games. No, I stand by the reasons I've given, though the much derided romance plays a role too. Which is a shame, because buried in the dialogue of his romance storyline are some of the best lines of any character in the game, and he'll even tell Shepard to go to hell if she tries to "fix" him or push him too much to "share his feelings". I didn't even know about Jacob's spine until it was pointed out to me, and once I was aware of it, he shot up greatly in my estimation. I wish his awesomeness wasn't buried in optional dialogue, and I wish his self-reliance and willingness to take the p¡ss out of the Great Commander Shepard wasn't such an anomaly in the game. Too many characters adore Shepard, and for no reason. Jacob at least has boundaries.

I hope it has nothing to do with being black. That really is rasist. :innocent:

[Siansonea]

S.A.K wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I honestly don't think his ethnicity is an issue for most people. Maybe a few people dislike him because he's black, but that couldn't possibly account for his lack of popularity. There are plenty of popular black characters in video games. No, I stand by the reasons I've given, though the much derided romance plays a role too. Which is a shame, because buried in the dialogue of his romance storyline are some of the best lines of any character in the game, and he'll even tell Shepard to go to hell if she tries to "fix" him or push him too much to "share his feelings". I didn't even know about Jacob's spine until it was pointed out to me, and once I was aware of it, he shot up greatly in my estimation. I wish his awesomeness wasn't buried in optional dialogue, and I wish his self-reliance and willingness to take the p¡ss out of the Great Commander Shepard wasn't such an anomaly in the game. Too many characters adore Shepard, and for no reason. Jacob at least has boundaries.

I hope it has nothing to do with being black. That really is rasist. :innocent:

Well, him being human might be a big part of it, and him being male, so it's still racist and it's still sexist.  Who's the most popular character? A female alien. Who's the most popular male character? An alien. Sci-fi crowds tend to love them some aliens.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 03 juillet 2011 - 04:46 .

[Squidbreath]

^ IMO, it's not the aliens. It's because the romanceable humans can be a little too generic personality-wise, or not adorable enough compared to Tali.

I don't hate Jacob, I'm INDIFFERENT to him.
I may admire his professionalism, and think that he's a better bro than Kaidan, but at the end of the day, he's not that much more interesting and he completely sucks in battle.

[KingNothing125]

In that poll going around right now, I voted for Garrus for favorite character, but it really doesn't have much to do with being a Turian. I just think he's a good character and Shep's bestie. He'd still be cool if he was a human former C-Sec officer named Gary who turned vigilante after Shep got spaced.

[Homebound]

i dont dislike jacob, hes just the butt of many prize jokes.

[VegasVance]

He's vanilla as Kaiden without the good VO.

[ladyvader]

I didn't like how he treated Thane when he got on board the Normandy. He is in my view just a gun for hire by Cerberus, so his comments about Thane where out of bounds to me. And his snip to Tali didn't help me any.

He was a squad mate I never used unless I had to. Once I got Mordin or Garrus, Jacob just stayed on the Normandy until his LM. I don't find his skill set that useful. Same with Samara. Never used her very much either. She was better to talk to than Jacob though.

I don't hate him, I just don't like him.

@VegasVance--His VO is actually better than Kaidan's. Because to me, Kaidan is Carth Onasi from KotOR and that guy was a total wuss. If the VA hadn't sounded like Carth, I might have liked Kaidan more.

[VegasVance]

ladyvader wrote...

@VegasVance--His VO is actually better than Kaidan's. Because to me, Kaidan is Carth Onasi from KotOR and that guy was a total wuss. If the VA hadn't sounded like Carth, I might have liked Kaidan more.

I'm only saying Kaidan's VO was good because at least I can actually recall stuff Ralphie has done.  He was on Burn Notice, plenty good enough for me XD  

[ladyvader]

VegasVance wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

@VegasVance--His VO is actually better than Kaidan's. Because to me, Kaidan is Carth Onasi from KotOR and that guy was a total wuss. If the VA hadn't sounded like Carth, I might have liked Kaidan more.

I'm only saying Kaidan's VO was good because at least I can actually recall stuff Ralphie has done.  He was on Burn Notice, plenty good enough for me XD  

Never seen that show.  I only know his work on ME and KotOR which leaves me meh.

[lovgreno]

He is not one of those extreme characters (wich by the way gets a bit tedious after a while). He is just a rather normal guy. I like him for that reason though.

[Ieldra]

A few reasons why he is disliked:

(1) Standard male reaction to a possible competitor (I suspect this to be the no.1 reason for male players)
(2) Tali fans don't like his comment to Tali about EDI
(3) Miranda fans don't like that he had something with her
(4) Thane fans don't like Jacob's reaction to him.
(5) The "priize" comment (I suspect this to be the no. 1 reason for female players)

It's quite sad, since his romance, apart from the "prize" line, is very good. It took six playthroughs for me to try his romance, and I was really surprised by it.

I think the general preference for non-human LIs exists because we apply different standards to humans in terms of attractivity. Tali and Garrus don't have a face to judge for its appearance, so that aspect gets mostly ignored by the players, while in humans it's something you select by *and* both Miranda's and Jacob's faces have their problems at times.

Edit:
Some interesting correlations:
People who like Jacob also tend to like
*Kaidan (female player preference and human LI preference I guess)
*Samara
*Morinth (yes, both of them, a mysterious result - perhaps a little "rooting for the underdog" in it)
*Miranda (likely human LI preference, still somewhat surprising)

There are no particular correlations for people who dislike Jacob except a very minor one with Tali fans.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 03 juillet 2011 - 07:53 .

[ThePwener]

We they dislike Jacob cause he's black bland.

[Pallid]

lovgreno wrote...

He is just a rather normal guy.

He is regular everyday normal guy?

[SAE100]

I think, if Jacob wouldn´t wear his terrible super hero outfit a lot of people would like him more. He should wear some kind of real armor like shepard (the male version of Mirandas alternate maybe).

[lovgreno]

omskman wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

He is just a rather normal guy.

He is regular everyday normal guy?

Compared to the odd crew we collected in ME2 I say he is quite normal. Everything is relative.

[Mathy16]

People find him too 'normal'
They don't want characters who can make decisions for themselves and who rather not talk about personal stuff.. They want that every character does wathever they say and they want them to look up to them

[Rogue Unit]

Jacob fan on BSN? Heavy risk but

[Silentblaze]

..the prize? <_<

I like him. He reached out asking for my trust at the start of ME2 and he received it.

The hate started with that "Heavy risk but the prize," line. Then the rest was piled on by others on the community with either an axe to grind or just bored seemed like.

Modifié par Silentblaze, 03 juillet 2011 - 10:14 .

[Cutlasskiwi]

My problem isn't Jacob himself, it's the way femShep talks to him. Like she's ready to pounce on him any second. It's creeping me out to the point where I almost avoid talking to him. Other than that I liked him well enough. He seemed like a nice and very grounded guy.

[elarem]

Why I don't like Jacob:
that outfit - what were the designers thinking of?
his body shape is odd - and he is rather obsessed with the exercises!
the prize line - after I saw it on YouTube - knew I wouldn't be doing that romance in a hurry if at all
femSheps on heat approach to Jacob (this is my number one complaint actually)
his comments about Thane - they both kill people for money and so he shouldn't be so self-righteous - especially as Jacob is working for Cerberus

what I like about Jacob:
he's normal (my femSheps romance Kaidan - so a relatively normal fully-functioning human male is ok with me/them)
he's useful in the early missions
my manSheps have a human male friend whom he trusts to look out for his back
the comment to Tali about EDI - Jacob went up a few points in my estimation
he can turn femShep down - that's got to be a first!

Jacob is lucky in being a LI and so will turn up in ME3, but I don't hold out much hope for any major improvement in his character/story. Maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised.

[tishyw]

I don't really dislike Jacob, but I do dislike the mega-sleazoid queen that my femshep turns into when she's talking to him. I think that translates for most people into dislike for Jacob, I avoid talking to him because of it.

[TomY90]

I do not dislike Jacob Infact I do not think most dislike him.

the issue is that his character managed to get overwhelmed by the huge amount of strong characters in Mass Effect 2 making him boring in comparison to the other characters.

This means that most people prefer other characters other him making it that he is very low on there favourite list.

I do like Jacob but just wish they made him more interesting and have a bit more humour to him then I am sure he would be top of the popularity list

[tomas2377]

I don't hate Jacob. I just dislike him.

A few reasons are that he left the Alliance to work for Cerberus. He came across as being a quitter as soon as things got tough and didn't go the way he wanted them to go. He was even a Corsair. You don't throw something like this away to work for terrorists.

Well that is why I dislike Jacob.