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#151
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S.A.K wrote...

pritchy wrote...

He had his chance with my Miranda,
hes out and im in she is mine now, also i cant take the guy seriously after "THE PIIIIZE"
Then again its not much worse than Shep's rape grin

Can someone tell me when that Shepard grin happens? I can't remember.


No. MShepard does not do his 'rape face' after Jacob's loyalty mission and have that chat about Miranda. I'm pretty sure - and positive on cutscenes that MShepard does not - having played MShepard and grins all weird since the same cutscene applies to FShepard as well. I mean that would be weird... :whistle:

Anyway saw this and thought to share my thoughts...

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In terms of just character I had no issues with him. He was level headed and knew how to handle his own problems. I saw some of myself in Jacob in that sense. However the reason why I don't like him was that in combat he is completely useless. He has pull, incendiary ammo and barrier. If your shep is an adept of any kind it makes his pull ability useless not to mention that both Samara and Jack have it. His ammo power is useless cause he uses a shotgun and can not lay down enough fire for it to count for anything. And his Barrier skill ONLY helps himself and doesn't benefit the squad in any way. So in that regard he is the worst character in the series. If he is judged purely on character then I have no problems with him. But if I have to do a mission with him in 3 then BW better make him more useful or he'll remain in the dumps.

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Because he has no real redeeming qualities in his character. I'll give him one thing: he doesn't need Shepard to hold him like many of the other guys do. But other than that, his character is just awful.

The excuses made for him:

--> Aww, he's stabilizing!
Yeah, I saw what the Shadow Broker dossier says about him. That was nothing more than BW's lame attempt to give purpose to the game's pointless character. I think they really couldn't think of anything worthwhile/interesting to say about him on the level that they do everyone else, so they pushed that crap line.

--> He's normal. And people don't like him as much because he's human.
Nice try. I like Miranda, she's human. I like Kaidan and Ashley, they're human. I do not like Jacob. I actually see more of a human side out of those squadmates that are aliens (including Grunt) and those that are deemed "crazy" than I do from Jacob. Jacob's personality is phony. He acts all cool and it's so fake, and he uses metaphors more than a damn poet.

I don't know Jacob any better when the game is finished than I do in the beginning, other than the little thing about his dad, because I had to see it myself on his loyalty mission. I know the Cerberus crewmen from 1 conversation with all of them better than I do Jacob. I like how the "normal" dude is less capable of human interaction and basic conversation than the "crazy" ones.

--> It's because he's black.
Are his fans racially arrogant too, that the man who treats talking to you like it's a chore is considered their "bro" because they look at him and say "hey, he's like my black brothah!" ? I once saw a youtube vid of some dude's ME2 career where the guy says "I like Jacob, he's like a good dog." A dog? Really? If that's not racial arrogance, I don't know what is.

I want to like Jacob, he's the one guy who's background is the most similar to Shepard. But no, Jacob is neither likeable nor does he command respect, effectively making him the one character I flat-out hate in the series.

#154
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He's a tool, nothing more than a soldier. He lacks depth and is very one minded in his point-of-view. He doesn't belong compared to everyone other teammate in the game(). I just don't like him.

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I don't dislike Jacob, I just forget he's there.

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I think that it is because Jacob has such an intense personality and there really isn't much room for the character to become multi-dimensional. Take Miranda for example, she is a strong personality that reveals underlying insecurities regarding her genetic engineering. She overcompensates for that insecurity with severity toward others and as you shore up those personal weaknesses, she opens up. Jack is another example of this type of personality. You get the sense that there is more to Jacob, but he never gets to reveal that side of himself.

Arguably, a game is a poor medium for character exposition. However, reveals can be done through extended dialog between the PC and the squadie (hint, hint, hint), banter between team members, personnel files, meetings with people who have known/worked with them before, all help to flesh out an NPC. In fact, one of the more enjoyable ways of gaining an insight into the NPC's minds came from emails sent to Shepard. One of the more memorable emails was regarding Garrus sent by the wife of one of his dead teammates. I only wish that I could have followed up on some of the mails because that would have been an ideal method of character revelation, bonding, and development.

In a sense, Jacob was pushed to the back burner in the story. His character has honor, integrity, and hope, but these are rarely showcased. As a result, most players just glossed over him because they found some of the other characters more interesting. In fact, DLC could have been a great tool for further exploration of characters like Jacob. Although I really enjoyed and appreciated Overlord, I was disappointed that we didn't see more of a reaction by Miranda to the horrific events portrayed there. Given her reaction to the destruction of the Collector base, I would think that she would have had a real issue with Archer's handicapped brother being conscripted as a guinea pig in an experiment on the Geth. Unfortunately, this wasn't done.

As the gaming medium moves more towards the cinematic, character development becomes more important because the gamer's use of his imagination decreases. Where once games like Zork required as much imagination as you could muster, today's cinematic sequences, professionally voice acted NPCs, and fully developed story lines leaves little to the imagination. Motion capture expresses even more of the NPC's character by giving the player facial expressions to read greatly enhancing the VA's performance.

I think that gamers pick up on this intuitively, if not intellectually, and that is why they so often request further character development, better dialog options, and enhanced romance. In essence, the gamer has transitioned from player to a participating member of the cast and this brings us back to Jacob. As a member of the cast of ME2, do you spend your efforts on trying to squeeze blood out of a turnip or are you going to spend your efforts where you will get more out of them?

Essentially, that is what I think happened to Jacob and I hope that ME3 does the character justice.

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Number one reason: He doesn't so much have a romance as a pending sexual harrassment lawsuit. If Shepard had stretched out on that table and started licking gun barrels, I'd not have been surprised. Must be the smell of burning heat sinks.

Much like Kaidan, you pick what seem like innocuous or even insulting  lines which actually turn out to be pickup lines, and the toon reacts by lecturing Shepard on either professional ethics or his personal code. You're railroaded into a romance with them. I don't give a crap about Tali or Thane, so that really is the main reason.

The catwoman pantsuit is even less flattering and more ridiculous on him than it is on Miranda.

Jacob did have some good bro lines.

Modifié par Addai67, 06 juillet 2011 - 10:20 .


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Addai67 wrote...

Number one reason: He doesn't so much have a romance as a pending sexual harrassment lawsuit. If Shepard had stretched out on that table and started licking gun barrels, I'd not have been surprised. Must be the smell of burning heat sinks.


^LMAO

There were a couple good scenes with him and my femshep:
1) the handshake/shoulder bump thing.....it was awesome cuz up to that point, or there about, I was thinking he really didn't like Shep.

2) the spilling some drinks on the citadel dialogue..it was good bonding

3)the end dialogue after shep blew up the collector base

I do wish BW had given us the opportunity to know him,,,w/out getting our head bit off everytime we tried...or trying to sleaze him up.

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Jacob just seems like a character that Bioware put in the game with the intention of him being the main Femshep LI. But then again if they didn't put him in the game we wouldn't have the "But the priiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiize" line. Anyway, I think he just seems a little bit tacked on.

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The reason I don't care for Jacob is because of "I'm just interested in talking for a bit". Makes me cringe every single time.

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he is an ordinary soldier and there is nothing special about his character at least ashley had the poetry thing, and a couple interesting family stories. Jacob is more boring than Buzz Killington.

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I dislike his character because every time I spoke with him, he made me feel like I was either bothering him ("Anything else Commander") or interrogating him. After my first playthrough, I only spoke to him to get his loyalty mission. I really wanted to like him, but I just couldn't.

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It's just that... the conversations with him sounded, always, strange to me. It's like he's avoiding your questions and in the end, you never know the guy. Plus the way femshep says that line about "I just want to talk a bit" always sounded like she's automatically flirting him.

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Halfdan The Menace

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Jacob would be a lot better if he was voiced by Samuel L. Jackson or Anthony Anderson.

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Because he's Black <_<

Yeah i said it:bandit:

Modifié par greed89, 14 juillet 2011 - 10:53 .


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I liked Jacob. He's a good diplomatic mediator; he's resourceful and can control his emotions well (which is excellent for his line of work).

I mean, compared to other characters I just think he lacks some depth, and this is primarily because he swallows his problems and does not discuss anything with Shepard in depth; he's not willing to open up to you (even during romance which I tried during one play-through).

I just think that he's a tad mediocre, and that probably hurts his popularity for a game that has aliens in the peripheral as well as taking up the spotlight (e.g., Mordin because he's hilarious, Samara because she's wise and stoic, stuff like that).

Modifié par Syraniss, 14 juillet 2011 - 11:05 .


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xnoxiousx wrote...

Hes boring
Reminds me of a gears of war character
No personality or nothing unique


Mines the badass and the chain saw.

#168
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personally i like Jacob more than some popular character, including Tali, Jack, Zaeed, VS.
But i admit that he is not too interesting character, but i like him anyway...

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i think bioware left all of jacob's personality back in the books.

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Personally, I'd have to say that Jacob is one of my more favorite characters in Mass 2, right up there with Garrus, Zaeed and Legion. I'm also big on the bromance thing, and like that he doesn't carry around his emotional baggage like most on the Normandy do.

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silentassassin264 wrote...

The reason I don't care for Jacob is because of "I'm just interested in talking for a bit". Makes me cringe every single time.


I absolutely agree with this.  Why does femShep have to turn into a skank every time she tries to talk to Jacob?  They should at least have saved that for after you'd initiated a romance.

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Time4Tiddy wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

The reason I don't care for Jacob is because of "I'm just interested in talking for a bit". Makes me cringe every single time.


I absolutely agree with this.  Why does femShep have to turn into a skank every time she tries to talk to Jacob?  They should at least have saved that for after you'd initiated a romance.

I see most people are pissed at Jacob because of the way femshep acts with him. Thats interesting.

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I like Jacob, I'm not begging for him to return in ME3, but I wouldn't rage if he got in. I used him alot & I found his Loyalty Mission to be really interesting.

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For me, His role are bad writing for dialogues ! he has no charism

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Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Because he has no real redeeming qualities in his character. I'll give him one thing: he doesn't need Shepard to hold him like many of the other guys do. But other than that, his character is just awful.

The excuses made for him:

--> Aww, he's stabilizing!
Yeah, I saw what the Shadow Broker dossier says about him. That was nothing more than BW's lame attempt to give purpose to the game's pointless character. I think they really couldn't think of anything worthwhile/interesting to say about him on the level that they do everyone else, so they pushed that crap line.

--> He's normal. And people don't like him as much because he's human.
Nice try. I like Miranda, she's human. I like Kaidan and Ashley, they're human. I do not like Jacob. I actually see more of a human side out of those squadmates that are aliens (including Grunt) and those that are deemed "crazy" than I do from Jacob. Jacob's personality is phony. He acts all cool and it's so fake, and he uses metaphors more than a damn poet.

I don't know Jacob any better when the game is finished than I do in the beginning, other than the little thing about his dad, because I had to see it myself on his loyalty mission. I know the Cerberus crewmen from 1 conversation with all of them better than I do Jacob. I like how the "normal" dude is less capable of human interaction and basic conversation than the "crazy" ones.

--> It's because he's black.
Are his fans racially arrogant too, that the man who treats talking to you like it's a chore is considered their "bro" because they look at him and say "hey, he's like my black brothah!" ? I once saw a youtube vid of some dude's ME2 career where the guy says "I like Jacob, he's like a good dog." A dog? Really? If that's not racial arrogance, I don't know what is.

I want to like Jacob, he's the one guy who's background is the most similar to Shepard. But no, Jacob is neither likeable nor does he command respect, effectively making him the one character I flat-out hate in the series.


Agreed.




EDIT: oh wait, that was me!