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[Kaiser Shepard]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Because he has no real redeeming qualities in his character. I'll give him one thing: he doesn't need Shepard to hold him like many of the other guys do. But other than that, his character is just awful.

The excuses made for him:

--> Aww, he's stabilizing!
Yeah, I saw what the Shadow Broker dossier says about him. That was nothing more than BW's lame attempt to give purpose to the game's pointless character. I think they really couldn't think of anything worthwhile/interesting to say about him on the level that they do everyone else, so they pushed that crap line.

--> He's normal. And people don't like him as much because he's human.
Nice try. I like Miranda, she's human. I like Kaidan and Ashley, they're human. I do not like Jacob. I actually see more of a human side out of those squadmates that are aliens (including Grunt) and those that are deemed "crazy" than I do from Jacob. Jacob's personality is phony. He acts all cool and it's so fake, and he uses metaphors more than a damn poet.

I don't know Jacob any better when the game is finished than I do in the beginning, other than the little thing about his dad, because I had to see it myself on his loyalty mission. I know the Cerberus crewmen from 1 conversation with all of them better than I do Jacob. I like how the "normal" dude is less capable of human interaction and basic conversation than the "crazy" ones.

--> It's because he's black.
Are his fans racially arrogant too, that the man who treats talking to you like it's a chore is considered their "bro" because they look at him and say "hey, he's like my black brothah!" ? I once saw a youtube vid of some dude's ME2 career where the guy says "I like Jacob, he's like a good dog." A dog? Really? If that's not racial arrogance, I don't know what is.

I want to like Jacob, he's the one guy who's background is the most similar to Shepard. But no, Jacob is neither likeable nor does he command respect, effectively making him the one character I flat-out hate in the series.

Agreed.




EDIT: oh wait, that was me!

****ing amazing, got me laughing. :')

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 15 juillet 2011 - 04:52 .

[skeeter0992]

I always liked Jacob. He was a friend to my Shep. and he was a calm cool guy who got the job done. Never did understand the hate. So he was normal, Were now supposed to HATE every normal person we come across.

There were definitely more eccentric and crazy characters, but if you have an entire crew of those people, the Normandy looks more like an insane asylum than a space frigate.

[IliyaMoroumetz]

For some reason, Jacob, as much as I liked the guy and wish him much happiness after he realizes he's being stalked by Kasumi, he felt a tad incomplete. Speaking for myself, I was quite fond of him and would trust him over Miranda, easily.

He had the qualities of an interesting character, but he was just missing something. An indescribable 'it' that would have saved him from his status as a mediocre character into something of greatness.

Jacob Taylor, on the edge of glory (*Snerk*), but not over it.

Edit:
Sorry for the necro, but I felt this thread would be the best vehicle for my comment and felt it redundant to start another.

And only now do I discover the official Jacob fan thread. *facedesk*

Modifié par IliyaMoroumetz, 21 octobre 2011 - 04:43 .

[Zakatak757]

He is male Miranda in looks, and about 1/5th as deep in character. Femsheps dialogue with him is atrocious, and he hasn't made me laugh once. He is pretty much a filler and not much more, and I would prefer it if Kasumi/Zaeed had taken his place as the 1st squadmate you find.

[FeralEwok]

Jacob isn't a bad person, and I never had any issues with him.

After Freedom's Progress though I never really use him again. He doesn't have any real insight or advice throughout the game.

From a gameplay standpoint I always maintain that Jacob has the worst layout out of the whole squad. I have no idea how effective barrier is as I usually spend squad points on their pre-loyal powers. That leaves him with inferno ammo which is rendered useless with my squad-warp ammo and pull...so kinda lackluster in the talents department. He carries a pistol and shotgun. Unless he is given the Geth Shotgun he can't hit anything more than a few feet away from him. So really I just have a hard time using him effectively.

Modifié par FeralEwok, 21 octobre 2011 - 05:15 .

[Zakatak757]

ADLegend21 wrote...
Shepard:"Hell Garrus you were always ugly, slap some facepaint on there an noone will notice" so insulting the turian appearance is racist so Shep is obviously racist too.

Hey now! That was in a fun im-just-kidding-buddy fashion. Hence the "buddy" at the end of the line, the paragon points, and light-hearted reaction and a come-back for male Shep.

Besides, he is obviously the most handsome motherf*cker in the galaxy.

[PauseforEffect]

My reasons:
*first time play*
Oh good, let's say hi to the guy who helped my Shepard out in the Lazarus station.
Hi Ja-
"I'm more interested in talking for a bit."
'Bye Jacob! Let's never do that again!
Ok, talking to him lost its appeal, let's just take him with us on missions! He got us out alive from the start, so-oh crud, Jacob, get back into cover! Get back here! Get-aaaaaaand he's down for the count.
Again.
*By the end of his loyalty mission*
A YMIR?! A frakking YMIR heavy mech and we're facing it with inferno ammo?! Damn it, Jacob! I already have inferno ammo, so why are you not packing ammo suited for mechs?! Auugggghhh, I swear dude, the moment you regain consciousness, I'm leaving you with your father until you two work your problems out!
*After my frustrated snit fit has passed*
Jacob, you're a good man, you hold to ethics that I respect, you take no bull*** from others and you're up front and honest about your thoughts. That's admirable. However, from now on, I delegate you to the armory until the suicide mission. Live long and prosper.

...I'm trying to change my mind by having my Infiltrator take him along. He's still too redundant for a Vanguard.

[lobi]

Jacob is awesome after loyalty if you use him and Jack the battles get really interesting. My shep is Vangard so maybe it's my up close and personal play style that makes it seem that way.

Modifié par lobi, 21 octobre 2011 - 05:54 .

[Silentblaze]

It started with everyone laughing and mocking at the "Heavy risk, but the prize," line. Then it was FemShep's lines in the romance. Then it was his LM mission- pretty much it became a fad to hate him and everyone piled on.

So yeah pluses and minuses were more or less the same for Jacob than any other squadmate. It's just a stupid fad that won't die, like Kelly's scale itch rumor or Ashley being a racist.

[StephanieBengal]

Because he's normal and has a lot of actual everyday human characteristics. IMO.

I'll just leave it at that.

[CptData]

StephanieBengal wrote...

Because he's normal and has a lot of actual everyday human characteristics. IMO.

I'll just leave it at that.

That points it out. He's "normal". Being "normal" isn't a bad thing, especially if you're in the middle of crazy people. The thing is ... "crazy" is needed to go through hell. You can't win a hopeless fight with "normal" soldiers, you need guys willing to do everything and beyond to make it.

Jacob is a fine soldier and under different circumstances a darn good friend to Shepard. But circumstances aren't normal and that's why, it's difficult for a lot of people to like him. He's not special, they don't trust him being capable doing the job.

I like him, actually, there are guys on the list I like far less. But yeah, it's right, Jacob comes with a quite plain character compared to others, especially humans.

[Gokuthegrate]

Besides the crew and EDI, Jacob was the only Cerberus op. that Shep met that seemed somewhat decent. He appears to of joined up with them for the same reasons as Shep. He was respectful and actually had morals that TIM couldn't have corrupted. Even with all that going for him he still manages to be my least favorite character of any video game.He had an interesting background with the Corsairs that becomes lost way to early into the game. I enjoyed that he was able to handle his problem without Shep but he had nothing that made me want to spend anytime getting to know the character.He had zero personality to go on that I couldn't start to care about him personally.The most interesting thing about him being on the crew was his LM. Even though Ive gone through multiple playthroughs I find myself wishing that we could of keep Wilson instead. Hopefully BW will give him some character for his appearance in 3.

[Pockles]

Beneath the respectable, professional, efficient exterior...He's kind of a ******.

[Cypher0020]

I really do like Jacob....but then I think of Jacob Taylor then I get Taylor Lautner stuck in my head.....


yes I'm weird ok?

>.>

[randomcheeses]

Jacob himself, I have no problem with.

FemShep's tone of voice when she's talking to him however . . . ugh, DNW. I just wanted to be bffs, Like DudeShep and Jacob. So he gets a lot more time in my one DudeShep playthrough. In all my other playthroughs, he gets left in the armoury and ignored once his loyalty mission is over so that I don't have to listen to the skin-crawlingly awkward voice work.

Jennifer Hale, you are usually so awesome, what went wrong?!

Modifié par randomcheeses, 21 octobre 2011 - 10:00 .

[ByTheCode]

I don't mind Jacob, but he wasn't really anything special in my opinion. He was a biotic, like Thane, Samara, Jack, and Miranda. He had family problems, like Thane, Miranda, and Samara. And he was just, I don't know... not really eye-catching. He was just, well, THERE, to be honest.

[Wulfram]

He's too self-righteous for a Cerberus member. And he spends too much time insulting the Alliance navy.

[ByTheCode]

^ I agree. Basically, he complained. A lot.

[Drone223]

I'll be honest I find the "priiize" line very funny however I like the fact that Jacob is normal, he clearly wants to make the difference in the galaxy but dosen't like it when politics prevents that from happening, he has some great moral's and was clearly honest with his opinion's on Cerberus, its good to have some normal character's balance out some of the crazy ones   

[Aeowyn]

While I do like Jacob, I'm kind of sick of seeing the same crappy excuses to why his fans think other people don't like him.

As an example:

ADLegend21 wrote...

People dislike Jacob because:

1.) He doesn't need Shepard to fix him like other squaddies

Kaidan and Ashley don't need Shepard to fix them either and people like them more than Jacob.

2.) His LM doens't make up his whole character or effect him that much.

Say what now? So you're saying that all the other LMs is what their character is about?

3.) He's a human male squaddie

See Kaidan and Zaeed. People like them better.

4.) He's sane

Ok I'm sorry, but keeping all his issues to himself and getting angry when Shepard tries to ask him if he's ok after his LM is not being fully sane. Saying that though, a lot of other squaddies are sane too.

5.) He's not an alien.

Ashley, Miranda, Kaidan, Zaeed, heck, even Vega has a larger fanbase than Jacob and they're all human.

6.) He's snarky to Tali (who's horrible to him despute him being friendly to her)

Can't really say much about this as I don't really like Tali and couldn't give a damn about what she thinks.

Despite this he's the only Love interest to actually ask Shepard about her problems and he's the only one that says "I love you" (Miranda's close by saying "this is no time for love").

Thane says "I love you" in his Dossier letter. Besides, that first point is the writer's fault really.

He should also get points for not needing fixing since that takes a burden off of Shepard during a critical mission.

As far as I'm aware Jacob still dies during certain points if he's unloyal. Meaning that Shepard is "forced" to do his LM so he won't die.

As for his romance. I've never tried it. FemShep's molester voice turned me off from that. Again, I like Jacob as a friend and I do hope to see him in ME3.

Modifié par Aeowyn, 21 octobre 2011 - 01:27 .

[who would know]

He's hot, if nothing else.

[charredrex]

I dind't mind Jacob, but I didn't get all that attached to him. Playing femshep he wasn't my first or even second choice for a romance. He was more like a work friend, that guy you work with, who you know can get the job done, joke around while you're working but at the end of the work day, you go out with your other friends for drinks or dinner and only ever see him at work.

At least that's what I got from talking with Jacob. He's there to get the job done and while I appreciated that it didn't really make me feel all that much for the guy.

[armass]

fans tend to think like this:

He's not the main character - No main character points
He's not a badass - No badass points
He's not a female - No sexual points
He's not an alien - No exotic points

Total points : 0

That pretty much covers it.

Modifié par armass, 21 octobre 2011 - 03:27 .

[Seboist]

Why do people dislike Jacob? In short, unremarkable personality,unremarkable background, all conversations end where they started and he's part of a squad filled with far more interesting humans and aliens. I'll give him this, I'll take him over mary sue Liara any day of the week.

Zaeed is the real leading man of ME2 as far as I'm concerned.