Hello, I'm new to the forums but I've read here before deciding to join. I've noticed that alot of people feel that Arrival undermined ME2's main plot. While I'm not a blind fanboy (nor a blind hater) of ME2, I don't feel that this criticism is justified. Given what little we know about ME3, looking back at the main plot of ME2, I feel the plot (in relation to the trilogy) is about the Illusive Man and Cerberus (and setting the stage for them to be enemies) and not about the Collecters.
To elaberate, TIM wasn't surprised about the Human Reaper. His dialouge in the SM made that clear; he didn't sound suprised at all. Given that Cerberus, through studying Sovereign's remains, knew that the Reapers were a synthetic/organic hybrid, I think that TIM had a good idea about why humans were being abducted and was manipulating Shepard (with his knowledge of the Reapers existence) to get his hands on the base. Basically, I believe that's ME2's main plot in a nutshell. When looking at the main plot like that, I believe that Arrival does not undermine ME2's main plot.
I'm interested in hearing feedback. Thoughts?
Arrival did not undermine Mass Effect 2's plot.
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dch47
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 08:18
pablodurando
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Related question since I haven't read the comics: When was TIM indoctrinated?
I differ from you in that I think ME2 is setting up an all out war for ME3, not just setting up Cerberus as the antagonist. I felt there were some clear plot holes in Arrival which don't develop the Reaper threat properly. It's nothing that major, but it's noticeable. I'll be interested to see TIM's motivation for helping the Reapers, other than indoctrination, in ME3.
I differ from you in that I think ME2 is setting up an all out war for ME3, not just setting up Cerberus as the antagonist. I felt there were some clear plot holes in Arrival which don't develop the Reaper threat properly. It's nothing that major, but it's noticeable. I'll be interested to see TIM's motivation for helping the Reapers, other than indoctrination, in ME3.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 08:51
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I actually agree with you regarding the "all out war" comment, but I feel that was done more through the sub-plots (like Legion and the Heretic Geth) and DLC. The Cerberus theory was in relation to the Collector plotline, which was the main questline. As to "when was TIM indoctrinated", I haven't read the comics firsthand, but the synopsis I read didn't indicate TIM was indoctrinated. I personally don't think TIM is indoctrinated in ME3, at least not at first. I think TIM is willingly working with the Reapers; TIM is all about "advancing" humanity, even through genetic modification. TIM might think of Reaper-status is the next step in humanity's evolution and be making a deal with the Reapers: kill Shepard and they will restart the Human Reaper project.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 09:35
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The only direct encounter TIM would have had with any Reaper tech capable of indoctrinating people would be during the First Contact War. Without going into too much detail:
During the First Contact War the Turians had uncovered an artifact on Shaanxi that turned people who touched the artifact into husk-like creatures (though they aren't quite as mindless as the ones encountered in game, though certainly just as single-minded in their goals). TIM (before he was TIM) tried to pull away a friend of his when he made contact with the artifact, resulting in what can be best described as "secondary exposure". A point of interest is that later in the series (Evolution if you ever want to check it out), Saren also recieved secondary exposure. So, basically, it explains why TIM has the same freaky eye-glow thing that Saren had.
The only known aspect of this level of exposure though is that it compels the victim to stand near the artifact (though unlike those who recieve "primary" exposure, it does not compel the victim to preserve, guard, or use the artifact in any way), but since the artifact was destroyed at the end of the series without adverse effects to Saren or TIM it is not known if this exposure level starts the indoctrination process, leaves one more susceptible to indoctrination, or has no negative consequences to speak of. (Remember, that Saren was not actually indoctrinated until AFTER discovering Sovereign, so one cannot conclude what role his implants played in that indoctrination without additional evidence) Seems like one of those questions that will be answered in ME3 though.
During the First Contact War the Turians had uncovered an artifact on Shaanxi that turned people who touched the artifact into husk-like creatures (though they aren't quite as mindless as the ones encountered in game, though certainly just as single-minded in their goals). TIM (before he was TIM) tried to pull away a friend of his when he made contact with the artifact, resulting in what can be best described as "secondary exposure". A point of interest is that later in the series (Evolution if you ever want to check it out), Saren also recieved secondary exposure. So, basically, it explains why TIM has the same freaky eye-glow thing that Saren had.
The only known aspect of this level of exposure though is that it compels the victim to stand near the artifact (though unlike those who recieve "primary" exposure, it does not compel the victim to preserve, guard, or use the artifact in any way), but since the artifact was destroyed at the end of the series without adverse effects to Saren or TIM it is not known if this exposure level starts the indoctrination process, leaves one more susceptible to indoctrination, or has no negative consequences to speak of. (Remember, that Saren was not actually indoctrinated until AFTER discovering Sovereign, so one cannot conclude what role his implants played in that indoctrination without additional evidence) Seems like one of those questions that will be answered in ME3 though.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 05:07
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I think one of the reasons some people feel Arrival undermined the ME2 plot is that failing Arrival is basically seen as "game over" while failing the ME2 plot isn't as "final" a defeat. I suppose another problem with Arrival is that it's likely to be the main event discussed at the beginning of ME3 and establish the position that Shepard is in, while Cerberus and the suicide mission antics may seem almost secondary.
I've always preferred the universe and characters to the whole business with the Reapers so it doesn't really bother me anyway.
I've always preferred the universe and characters to the whole business with the Reapers so it doesn't really bother me anyway.
