This just baffles me. What have they done that is so despicable? Sure, the turian is a jerk, and he's over-fond of air quotes, but what else? The Asari and Salarien Councilors are reasonable, and have faith in you. They find you, alive after two years dead, working for an anti-alien terrorist organization, and then they restore your Spectre status as a show of good faith.
They don't believe in the Reapers, but can you blame them? What evidence do we have? A bad dream, the words of an insane Spectre, and some more advanced than normal technology that comes from a more advanced species. We have no proof, and proof is needed when it comes to the doom of all sentient species by a race of killer machines. The council has the weight of trillions on their shoulders, and they can't take such ridiculous claims on our reputation alone.
Why does everyone hate the Council?
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 02:24
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They look at the Turian Councilor and weep. Because that is the perfection that they will never obtain.
Also because the Council is being smart and not immediately believing the words of a raving psychopath.
Also because the Council is being smart and not immediately believing the words of a raving psychopath.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 02:30
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One question, how did Vigil disappear? do you think it just vanished into thin air? I say the council's agents got there, extracted it and kept it under wraps so that news of the reapers doesn't get out... I'm 100% sure they know about the reapers, they either don't want to admit it, or they're real leaders and want to prevent a galaxy wide panic in which case it's gonna bite them in the ass.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 02:31
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Because the galaxy would be better off with an autocratic despot, namely Shepard, rather than some representative democracy nonsense. If Shepard was in command, everything would be O.K.!
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 02:39
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Palidane wrote...
This just baffles me. What have they done that is so despicable? Sure, the turian is a jerk, and he's over-fond of air quotes, but what else? The Asari and Salarien Councilors are reasonable, and have faith in you. They find you, alive after two years dead, working for an anti-alien terrorist organization, and then they restore your Spectre status as a show of good faith.
They don't believe in the Reapers, but can you blame them? What evidence do we have? A bad dream, the words of an insane Spectre, and some more advanced than normal technology that comes from a more advanced species. We have no proof, and proof is needed when it comes to the doom of all sentient species by a race of killer machines. The council has the weight of trillions on their shoulders, and they can't take such ridiculous claims on our reputation alone.
A: The spectre reinstatement is not a "show of good faith". It is a desperate attempt to bribe Shepard to shut up and stay out of council space.
B: They have evidence. Lots of them in fact. Cerberus was able to find out that the derelict Reaper was millions of years old. Yet the council thinks that Sovereign was just "Geth technology".
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 02:41
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I've never understood it either.
The idea is that they should take Shepard at his/her word since s/he was right before, but you've got to remember that Shepard was declared KIA. It wasn't heavily publicized, but I'm sure the Council knew about it. Now s/he shows up after two years, allied with Cerberus and raving about attacks out in the terminus systems, where they have no power anyway. Giving Shepard their Spectre status back was more than I expected in that situation.
As for 'ah yes, Reapers'? We as the player facepalm, but it's fairly justified from their POV. Vigil's down, and they couldn't recover enough pieces from Sovereign to make any conclusive statements. They could take a team and investigate, but I'm sure a large chunk of their resources is going towards rebuilding the Citadel. Even then, it's easier to say it's geth technology than believe a myth swooped down and attacked them all. Why blame the monster under your bed when you've already got an enemy capable of advanced technology? In hindsight it's flawed logic, but it's a very human mistake, which only makes me empathize with them more.
The turian councilor being a tool no matter what you do is probably contributing to the hate too.
The idea is that they should take Shepard at his/her word since s/he was right before, but you've got to remember that Shepard was declared KIA. It wasn't heavily publicized, but I'm sure the Council knew about it. Now s/he shows up after two years, allied with Cerberus and raving about attacks out in the terminus systems, where they have no power anyway. Giving Shepard their Spectre status back was more than I expected in that situation.
As for 'ah yes, Reapers'? We as the player facepalm, but it's fairly justified from their POV. Vigil's down, and they couldn't recover enough pieces from Sovereign to make any conclusive statements. They could take a team and investigate, but I'm sure a large chunk of their resources is going towards rebuilding the Citadel. Even then, it's easier to say it's geth technology than believe a myth swooped down and attacked them all. Why blame the monster under your bed when you've already got an enemy capable of advanced technology? In hindsight it's flawed logic, but it's a very human mistake, which only makes me empathize with them more.
The turian councilor being a tool no matter what you do is probably contributing to the hate too.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 02:48
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I'm a fan of the council actually.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 02:59
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Well, you can kill off the council if you hate them, so I don't think they are an issue.
And the turian councillor is quite lulzy.
And the turian councillor is quite lulzy.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 03:07
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The turian councilor is the reason. I understand him, though.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 03:10
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They have dimissed Shepard and his bat**** ways, that's all.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 03:34
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Because they were aholes in ME1.
Blew those bastards with my Paragon.
Blew those bastards with my Paragon.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 03:37
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Mesina2 wrote...
Because they were aholes in ME1.
Blew those bastards with my Paragon.
"Blew"?
Implications......unpleasant.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 03:38
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Anyone who doesn't bow to Shepard's awesomeness is automatically hated on the forums.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 03:39
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Palidane wrote...
They don't believe in the Reapers, but can you blame them? What evidence do we have? A bad dream, the words of an insane Spectre, and some more advanced than normal technology that comes from a more advanced species.
Uh huh.
No, it's cool. I'm sure they know more about the Geth than the Geth do.
The thing is, it's not that they're being skeptical here, or even just dragging their feet with investigating it. They're essentially sweeping everything under the rug, which seems to be common practice for them. Sovereign was a Geth ship, and that's the end of that. Hey, let's delete any record of Reapers from the databanks. Can't have anyone else looking into it either, after all.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 03:41
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Shepard is working for a terrorist organization. An organization that has declared war on the Council.
You seriously expect them to tell you anything?
You seriously expect them to tell you anything?
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 03:43
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The council is just like todays Congress. Its filled with morons who know nothing and make all of the decisions. They are the reason that the galaxy is not ready for the Reapers - the very reason why the galaxy is not working together under one system of laws.
The truth was in their faces, and they ignored Shepard. I have done many runthroughs where the council was sacraficed. It puts a smile on my face to see them wiped out and their screams silenced by the vacuum of space.
The truth was in their faces, and they ignored Shepard. I have done many runthroughs where the council was sacraficed. It puts a smile on my face to see them wiped out and their screams silenced by the vacuum of space.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 03:44
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I for one don't hate the Council. Nor do I dislike them. I just want to make the turian Counciler to eat those "air quotes" of his.
Even my renegade Shep saved the Council.
Even my renegade Shep saved the Council.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 03:45
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Because of their reckless use of air quotes.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 03:54
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My issues with the council:
- Actually, they only reinstate Shep after Anderson steps in. They tell Shep that working with Cerberus is a treasonous act punishable by death.
- They banish Shep to the terminus systems, saying that he can be a Spectre only if he stays out of council space. (seriously, wtf?)
- They NEVER believe Shep. They demand proof, and while that in itself is not a bad thing, I think Shep has proven him/herself to earn a little trust. They always dismiss his/her claims.
- Their actions have shown me that they are too complacent. They would rather stick their heads in the sand than face reality. This shows me they are looking out for themselves instead of the for the good of the galaxy.
- Actually, they only reinstate Shep after Anderson steps in. They tell Shep that working with Cerberus is a treasonous act punishable by death.
- They banish Shep to the terminus systems, saying that he can be a Spectre only if he stays out of council space. (seriously, wtf?)
- They NEVER believe Shep. They demand proof, and while that in itself is not a bad thing, I think Shep has proven him/herself to earn a little trust. They always dismiss his/her claims.
- Their actions have shown me that they are too complacent. They would rather stick their heads in the sand than face reality. This shows me they are looking out for themselves instead of the for the good of the galaxy.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 04:00
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the council is ok other then when they decalred war on saren that was not cool and i think they did it because they knew they would never become as cool as saren so they wanted him dead.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 04:12
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There are only two people within the Alliance that believe Shepard at this point. Hackett and Anderson. The Allicance isn't ready for the reapers invasion, Hackett admitted that during the debrief.Saberchic wrote...
My issues with the council:
- Actually, they only reinstate Shep after Anderson steps in. They tell Shep that working with Cerberus is a treasonous act punishable by death.
- They banish Shep to the terminus systems, saying that he can be a Spectre only if he stays out of council space. (seriously, wtf?)
- They NEVER believe Shep. They demand proof, and while that in itself is not a bad thing, I think Shep has proven him/herself to earn a little trust. They always dismiss his/her claims.
- Their actions have shown me that they are too complacent. They would rather stick their heads in the sand than face reality. This shows me they are looking out for themselves instead of the for the good of the galaxy.
To have issues with the Council, you must also have issue with the Alliance. Neither of them believe Shepard.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 04:13
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Saberchic wrote...
Their actions have shown me that they are too complacent. They would rather stick their heads in the sand than face reality. This shows me they are looking out for themselves instead of the for the good of the galaxy.
Which, incidentally, isn't just something they do regarding the Reapers. It's seemingly their default.
Human colonies are under attack? Don't bother looking into it.
Saren's gone rogue? Don't bother looking into it.
Human colonies are under attack again? Don't bother looking into it.
I'm sensing a pattern here.
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 04:22
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bleetman wrote...
Saberchic wrote...
Their actions have shown me that they are too complacent. They would rather stick their heads in the sand than face reality. This shows me they are looking out for themselves instead of the for the good of the galaxy.
Which, incidentally, isn't just something they do regarding the Reapers. It's seemingly their default.
Human colonies are under attack? Don't bother looking into it.
Saren's gone rogue? Don't bother looking into it.
Human colonies are under attack again? Don't bother looking into it.
I'm sensing a pattern here.
haha. True! That irks me a lot. I hope in ME3 we can do something about this. It's funny, I complain, but I usually save the council.
I at least want an opportunity to say "I told you so!"
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Posté 03 juillet 2011 - 04:29
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Everyone hates the Council because they're not a device that panders to a gamers sense of "We love you main character!"
These people run a galaxy (that's upward to a hundred billion stars btw) - and they've appointed people like Shepard to take care of **** they can't.
They tell him time and again - "DEAL WITH THIS - YOU'RE NOT A BABY."
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Also - if the Council said: "Well, Shepard warned us - let's mobilize an army." There wouldn't be an ME 2/3
These people run a galaxy (that's upward to a hundred billion stars btw) - and they've appointed people like Shepard to take care of **** they can't.
They tell him time and again - "DEAL WITH THIS - YOU'RE NOT A BABY."
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Also - if the Council said: "Well, Shepard warned us - let's mobilize an army." There wouldn't be an ME 2/3
