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[Mr.House]

Because they are morons who refuse to acknowledge a threat and any death on Earth can be blamed on there feet.

Modifié par Mr.House, 03 juillet 2011 - 07:43 .

[bleetman]

Siansonea II wrote...

Because people have problems with authority, and don't like being told what to do. And the Council doesn't fall all over themselves telling you—I mean Shepard—how awesome you are—er, how awesome Shepard is. So naturally they suck!!!!!<_<

That has absolutely nothing to do with my dislike of them, you know.

[JPanzerj]

I quite like the Council because they are prepared to step forward and bear the responsibility of the whole bloody galaxy. They may seem like they have their head up their own nether-regions but in the first novel (IIRC) they prove to be quite shrewd and outwit the human ambassador.

I saved them because as a Spectre, my Shepard saw that humans could only be accepted into the galactic community if they proved that they sacrifice themselves for other races. And not at all because I'd hit the Asari Councillor.

[Iakus]

Siansonea II wrote...

Because people have problems with authority, and don't like being told what to do. And the Council doesn't fall all over themselves telling you—I mean Shepard—how awesome you are—er, how awesome Shepard is. So naturally they suck!!!!!<_<

Meh in the first game i saw them as a sort of analogue to the "grumpy Lieutenant" you see in cop movies.  The ones who yell at the protagonist about breakage and grumble about the paperwork.  And to tell the truth, they weren't entirely unjustified in their feelings about Shepard's actions.

ME2 they tip over into willful stupidity.  I don't care if they do give Shepard back his Spectreship, they're attitude at this point is going to get a lot of innocent people killed.

[Mondo47]

No-one has ever liked politicians. Ever. Go back to the days of the symposium and you'll find the favorite topic of conversation was how crap politicians were at their jobs. I think people just have an issue with so-called "leaders" in society that have little to no connection to the most populous sections of society, and with so-called "leaders" that are often bigger criminals that the lowest elements of the society they hold so high.

Give it another five hundred years, a thousand even, it'll still be going on. People don't like being under a yoke, even when it's the lightest of halters.

[NICKjnp]

I never kill the council. A military coup d'état is never a good thing. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean you have the right to remove the leaders of a government who did nothing wrong.

[atheelogos]

Palidane wrote...

They don't believe in the Reapers, but can you blame them? What evidence do we have?

2 big ones. Suit recordings that Ashley talked about in ME1 and the battle of the citadel. Its obvious the flagship wasn't Geth tech.

[atheelogos]

Mr.House wrote...

Because they are morons who refuse to acknowledge a threat and any death on Earth can be laid at their feet.

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[GunMoth]

The salarian councilor is my bro.

I completely understand the concept behind a court or justice system. It makes sense that they wish to have evidence. However, their actions during ME2 (covering up that reapers ever existed etc.) kind of made me scratch my head. I understand that there was no actual evidence on Ilos, but everyone who witnessed the event during the attack on the Citadel should understand the potential risks of what happened. I saved the Council in ME1 instead of the civilians. Unfortunately all of those people died in vein on my first playthrough since the council decided to stay blind.

I killed them on my paragade plathrough, but everyone just sees you as a bigot.

EDIT: Even though the council doesn't want to believe that there are reapers, they should have figured out better defensive systems for the Citadel. 

Modifié par GunMoth, 03 juillet 2011 - 08:03 .

[GunMoth]

atheelogos wrote...

Palidane wrote...

They don't believe in the Reapers, but can you blame them? What evidence do we have?

2 big ones. Suit recordings that Ashley talked about in ME1 and the battle of the citadel. Its obvious the flagship wasn't Geth tech.

As Anderson states, the reaper was obliterated and the only pieces recovered still didn't prove anything.

Prior to ME1, reapers were a very old myth. Nobody previously knew what they looked like or what kind of organisms they would be. 

Here is a scenario: Imagine if a robot in Disney Land suddenly started saying "I am satan. I am satan. I will destroy you. etc. etc." People would PROBABLY be a bit shaken up by it, but many people would probably chalk it up to a prank, or one of the park tech experts messing around with the robots. Nobody would believe it was actually satan, and those who did would be viewed as religious extremists or occult fanatics. 

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

They're idiots. The only reason they live in my Renegon playtrough is just so my Shep can rub the Reaper invasion in their faces. "Dismiss THAT ****es!"

[eternalnightmare13]

What irks me about the Council is that they seem to have no problem with your actions, aside from the Turian's snide comments, while looking for Saren and the Conduit up until the Illos issue. The whole point of being a Specter is to do the dirty work, go behind enemy lines with discretion. Going to Illos literally screams SPECTER. Yet, the ground the Normandy and tell you to ****** off. I can understand their concerns for creating a war, but hell if you're not going to use SPECTERS for delicate covert operations, epecially one in a STEALTH ship, WTF do they have SPECTERS for?!

That's why I don't like the Council. I can understand why they don't believe Shepard in ME1 about the Reaper threat - he presents no tangiable evidence of them existing. The fact the Council blames the Battle of the Citadel on the geth/Saren is typical politics - it's easier to blame it on a known enemy then acknowledge the greater threat until it's on your doorstep.

[ladyvader]

GunMoth wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Palidane wrote...

They don't believe in the Reapers, but can you blame them? What evidence do we have?

2 big ones. Suit recordings that Ashley talked about in ME1 and the battle of the citadel. Its obvious the flagship wasn't Geth tech.

As Anderson states, the reaper was obliterated and the only pieces recovered still didn't prove anything.

Prior to ME1, reapers were a very old myth. Nobody previously knew what they looked like or what kind of organisms they would be. 

Here is a scenario: Imagine if a robot in Disney Land suddenly started saying "I am satan. I am satan. I will destroy you. etc. etc." People would PROBABLY be a bit shaken up by it, but many people would probably chalk it up to a prank, or one of the park tech experts messing around with the robots. Nobody would believe it was actually satan, and those who did would be viewed as religious extremists or occult fanatics. 

Chorban, the salarian Shepard scanned the keeper for studied pieces of the wreckage and knew that they were millions of years old.  He sent Shepard a message saying that.

[Repearized Miranda]

GunMoth wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Palidane wrote...

They don't believe in the Reapers, but can you blame them? What evidence do we have?

2 big ones. Suit recordings that Ashley talked about in ME1 and the battle of the citadel. Its obvious the flagship wasn't Geth tech.

As Anderson states, the reaper was obliterated and the only pieces recovered still didn't prove anything.

Prior to ME1, reapers were a very old myth. Nobody previously knew what they looked like or what kind of organisms they would be. 

Here is a scenario: Imagine if a robot in Disney Land suddenly started saying "I am satan. I am satan. I will destroy you. etc. etc." People would PROBABLY be a bit shaken up by it, but many people would probably chalk it up to a prank, or one of the park tech experts messing around with the robots. Nobody would believe it was actually satan, and those who did would be viewed as religious extremists or occult fanatics. 

Yeah, but what if they turn out to be right? They would be wrong for saying "I told you so!" though they clearly should, but needn't. Sure, nothing is confirmed until there's some kind of proof, but it's a whole lot of late when you're seconds from total obileration to say: "Oh, damn! I should've listened!" which the Council has done twice, but will still deny having done it!

[bleetman]

GunMoth wrote...

Here is a scenario: Imagine if a robot in Disney Land suddenly started saying "I am satan. I am satan. I will destroy you. etc. etc." People would PROBABLY be a bit shaken up by it, but many people would probably chalk it up to a prank, or one of the park tech experts messing around with the robots. Nobody would believe it was actually satan, and those who did would be viewed as religious extremists or occult fanatics. 

Perhaps. If however it went on to lead an army against, say, Washington, wiping out the majority of the armed forces in the process, I might be more inclined to think it's worth looking into.

Modifié par bleetman, 03 juillet 2011 - 08:12 .

[atheelogos]

GunMoth wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Palidane wrote...

They don't believe in the Reapers, but can you blame them? What evidence do we have?

2 big ones. Suit recordings that Ashley talked about in ME1 and the battle of the citadel. Its obvious the flagship wasn't Geth tech.

As Anderson states, the reaper was obliterated and the only pieces recovered still didn't prove anything.

Prior to ME1, reapers were a very old myth. Nobody previously knew what they looked like or what kind of organisms they would be. 

Here is a scenario: Imagine if a robot in Disney Land suddenly started saying "I am satan. I am satan. I will destroy you. etc. etc." People would PROBABLY be a bit shaken up by it, but many people would probably chalk it up to a prank, or one of the park tech experts messing around with the robots. Nobody would believe it was actually satan, and those who did would be viewed as religious extremists or occult fanatics. 

If you wont take the second point then fine, but the first point still stands. Suit recordings man. Everything Shep and his team saw or heard was recorded.

[ashlover mark 2]

i like the council,im looking forward to them finally helping in ME3,i dont have to hear "omg you were right shepard we should have never doubted you" as long as their ready to unite and fight,all will be forgiven.

[Repearized Miranda]

^ Someone posed that question regarding the trial in ME3 to which I shall rebuttal again:

If they didn't see that huge ass Reaper outside their window, how could anybody expect them to believe some kind of recording - especially since for the most part - it's "ad-missable?" (sp?)

[atheelogos]

Repearized Miranda wrote...

^ Someone posed that question regarding the trial in ME3 to which I shall rebuttal again:

If they didn't see that huge ass Reaper outside their window, how could anybody expect them to believe some kind of recording - especially since for the most part - it's "ad-missable?" (sp?)

They took the recording Tali gave us as proof their favorite Spectre was dirty. How is it enough to convict Saren but not enough for the Reapers?

[PMC65]

Not "everyone" hates the council ... My Shepards liked the asari & salarian, it was that turian that was asking to have Shep's boot up his as5! No matter what you did he complained the whole way! My Shepard would greet the turian with "Hi Richard Cranium!" and a big SMILE before each meeting!

That was one of his biggest reasons to say "patch me through Joker!".  

[Repearized Miranda]

atheelogos wrote...

Repearized Miranda wrote...

^ Someone posed that question regarding the trial in ME3 to which I shall rebuttal again:

If they didn't see that huge ass Reaper outside their window, how could anybody expect them to believe some kind of recording - especially since for the most part - it's "ad-missable?" (sp?)

They took the recording Tali gave us as proof their favorite Spectre was dirty. How is it enough to convict Saren but not enough for the Reapers?

That was the other scenario I wanted to bring up. I just couldn't remember how it went. Well, given that Saren was a Turian ... nuff said; however, if he was the same race as Garrus and many can't stand him! What kind of logic is that? Oh, that's right! He got his whole squad killed.

If anything, like Ashley - wait, retract, retract - they don't trust "aliens." As I said though, they aren't bosom buddies with Garrus either.

[GunMoth]

bleetman wrote...

GunMoth wrote...

Here is a scenario: Imagine if a robot in Disney Land suddenly started saying "I am satan. I am satan. I will destroy you. etc. etc." People would PROBABLY be a bit shaken up by it, but many people would probably chalk it up to a prank, or one of the park tech experts messing around with the robots. Nobody would believe it was actually satan, and those who did would be viewed as religious extremists or occult fanatics. 

Perhaps. If however it went on to lead an army against, say, Washington, wiping out the majority of the armed forces in the process, I might be more inclined to think it's worth looking into.

Lemme fix that allegory. 

A crazed serial killer with no political affliations starts shouting "SATAN HAS RISEN" then blows himself up along with several other people. Many people would respond with "o that guy was just crazy"

The difference is that Saren DID have political affiliations and was also known to be slightly racist. From the outside, it would be quite easy to assume that he had a sociopolitical agenda that he wished to carry out. 

He could also be crazy. Or simply sociopathic. There are so many variables that it COULD be chalked up to. 

[GunMoth]

atheelogos wrote...

GunMoth wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Palidane wrote...

They don't believe in the Reapers, but can you blame them? What evidence do we have?

2 big ones. Suit recordings that Ashley talked about in ME1 and the battle of the citadel. Its obvious the flagship wasn't Geth tech.

As Anderson states, the reaper was obliterated and the only pieces recovered still didn't prove anything.

Prior to ME1, reapers were a very old myth. Nobody previously knew what they looked like or what kind of organisms they would be. 

Here is a scenario: Imagine if a robot in Disney Land suddenly started saying "I am satan. I am satan. I will destroy you. etc. etc." People would PROBABLY be a bit shaken up by it, but many people would probably chalk it up to a prank, or one of the park tech experts messing around with the robots. Nobody would believe it was actually satan, and those who did would be viewed as religious extremists or occult fanatics. 

If you wont take the second point then fine, but the first point still stands. Suit recordings man. Everything Shep and his team saw or heard was recorded.

Omni-tools? Nobody was recording at that time. None of the main characters wipped ot their omni-tool and stated "LETS RECORD THIS JUST IN CASE." Their omni-tools don't record 100% of the time, if that's what you're saying. If they do, link me to a wiki page about it. 

[kelmar6821]

Everybody always hates thier leaders.