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[LTiberious]

Plus spamming my futuristic skype..

[Blooddrunk1004]

As much i don't like Council, i never decide to kill them:
- Destiny Ascension is one of the most powerful ships in the Asari fleet
- there were over 10.000 civilians on Ascension
- who knows what role will they play in ME3, maybe they will actualy give you the Council fleet if you saved them, the pic with Salarian Councilor on Normandy also looks very interesting.

[Ryzaki]

I don't kill them but yeah my Sheps can't stand them. "Ah yes 'Reapers'." says it all.

[Inutaisho7996]

bleetman wrote...

Palidane wrote...

They don't believe in the Reapers, but can you blame them? What evidence do we have? A bad dream, the words of an insane Spectre, and some more advanced than normal technology that comes from a more advanced species.

Uh huh.

No, it's cool. I'm sure they know more about the Geth than the Geth do.

The thing is, it's not that they're being skeptical here, or even just dragging their feet with investigating it. They're essentially sweeping everything under the rug, which seems to be common practice for them. Sovereign was a Geth ship, and that's the end of that. Hey, let's delete any record of Reapers from the databanks. Can't have anyone else looking into it either, after all.

A single Geth is no smarter than a varren; the council knows that. They don't know Legion is special. How do they know it's really a Geth and not some VI Shepard has to follow him/her around and agree with everything he/she says? It's the perfect plan. Trick people into believing you have a Geth so people will believe it when it says Sovergein wasn't a Geth ship.

Modifié par Inutaisho7996, 03 juillet 2011 - 09:39 .

[ladyvader]

Ryzaki wrote...

I don't kill them but yeah my Sheps can't stand them. "Ah yes 'Reapers'." says it all.

That is just the turian Councilor.  The asari and salarian seem more respectful.

[Beerfish]

They are snarkey but not totally out of line in some regards.

[ladyvader]

Beerfish wrote...

They are snarkey but not totally out of line in some regards.

The air quotes from the turian is quite disrespectful and out of line with that. 

Also, even Liara states that the Council are idiots.  She mentions this when you talk to her during the cabin scene in the LotSB.  

[LTiberious]

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

As much i don't like Council, i never decide to kill them:
- Destiny Ascension is one of the most powerful ships in the Asari fleet
- there were over 10.000 civilians on Ascension
- who knows what role will they play in ME3, maybe they will actualy give you the Council fleet if you saved them, the pic with Salarian Councilor on Normandy also looks very interesting.

Wasnt i talking to you in the comment section of someone youtube vid?

You'r that wussy dude that didnt want to kill the council?

[Inutaisho7996]

atheelogos wrote...

Palidane wrote...

They don't believe in the Reapers, but can you blame them? What evidence do we have?

2 big ones. Suit recordings that Ashley talked about in ME1 and the battle of the citadel. Its obvious the flagship wasn't Geth tech.

What did the suits record? A conversation with Sovereign that could easilly been a VI made by Saren to make people believe in the Reapers. A conversation about Reapers with a Spectre attempting a military coup against the galaxy. Again, from the Council's point of view, Saren is justy trying to make people believe in the Reapers to make people following him is the only way to be saved from them. And finally the conversation with Vigil. It says it changed it's "output in to a format [Shepard's squad] would comprehend." Who knows if it did this in a way the suits would record?

How is it obvious that a technolocially advanced species that has been hiding for hundreds of years and who's technolocial potential isn't fully understood couldn't have make Sovereign?

Modifié par Inutaisho7996, 03 juillet 2011 - 09:56 .

[LTiberious]

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Palidane wrote...

They don't believe in the Reapers, but can you blame them? What evidence do we have?

2 big ones. Suit recordings that Ashley talked about in ME1 and the battle of the citadel. Its obvious the flagship wasn't Geth tech.

What did the suits record? A conversation with Sovereign that could easilly been a VI made by Saren to make people believe in the Reapers. A conversation about Reapers with a Spectre attempting a military coup against the galaxy. Again, from the Council's point of view, Saren is justy trying to make people believe in the Reapers to make people following him is the only way to be saved from them. And finally the conversation with Vigil. It says it changed it's "output in to a format [Shepard's squad] would comprehend." Who knows if it did this in a way the suits would record?

How is it obvious that a technolocially advanced species that has been hiding for hundreds of years and who's technolocial potential isn't fully understood couldn't have make Sovereign?

*OH MY GOD, Shepard saved the council, knew about Saren and was right all along* ....

Should put a camera on shepards suit, to receive vital intel. 

too easy?

[Isaidlunch]

It's natural for the player to hate anyone who gets in their way. Them treating Shepard like he's a fruit loop doesn't help either.

Modifié par Kazanth, 03 juillet 2011 - 10:03 .

[Ryzaki]

ladyvader wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I don't kill them but yeah my Sheps can't stand them. "Ah yes 'Reapers'." says it all.

That is just the turian Councilor.  The asari and salarian seem more respectful.

 

The Asari and Salarian agree with him though. Neither of them try to give Shepard some faith it's all "PROVE IT!" and they ignore the fact that Sovereign being a geth ship makes absolutely no sense. 

[Ianamus]

Ryzaki wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I don't kill them but yeah my Sheps can't stand them. "Ah yes 'Reapers'." says it all.

That is just the turian Councilor.  The asari and salarian seem more respectful.

 

The Asari and Salarian agree with him though. Neither of them try to give Shepard some faith it's all "PROVE IT!" and they ignore the fact that Sovereign being a geth ship makes absolutely no sense. 

The know that it makes no sense, and I have a feeling that they have just convinced themselves and others that the Reapers are not real to keep a level head and to keep society running smoothy. It's all ridiculus and stupid, but that's politics for you.

To answer the OP's question: they're politicians, and everybody hates politicians. The only one in the game who is generally liked is Anderson, and he fails at politics anyway.

[bleetman]

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

How do they know it's really a Geth and not some VI Shepard has to follow him/her around and agree with everything he/she says? It's the perfect plan. Trick people into believing you have a Geth so people will believe it when it says Sovergein wasn't a Geth ship.

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[ShepardsIdol]

I hate the Turian. The other two still anger me but they arent near as arrogant. I'm not a fan of the Salarian because he seems too smart to listen to common logic and he seems like if a debate ensued, he would be more likely to wimp out. The Asari, however, is the one who wanted to grant me SPECTRE status, much to the chagrin of the Turian. She also seems like the one i would be more likely to sway with any evidence I had. Cerberus did have a lot of evidence that I should have handed to them at some point out of warning.  I also figured they would wonder why Horizon would have husks on it during collector invasion. That all being said, the only reason i saved the council in ME1 was because i didnt want to kill off the Asari, figuring she'd be my only possible council friend in ME3, and as it turns out, I had Anderson too. The way I see it, my council is split. 2/2  

[ladyvader]

EJ107 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I don't kill them but yeah my Sheps can't stand them. "Ah yes 'Reapers'." says it all.

That is just the turian Councilor.  The asari and salarian seem more respectful.

 

The Asari and Salarian agree with him though. Neither of them try to give Shepard some faith it's all "PROVE IT!" and they ignore the fact that Sovereign being a geth ship makes absolutely no sense. 

The know that it makes no sense, and I have a feeling that they have just convinced themselves and others that the Reapers are not real to keep a level head and to keep society running smoothy. It's all ridiculus and stupid, but that's politics for you.

To answer the OP's question: they're politicians, and everybody hates politicians. The only one in the game who is generally liked is Anderson, and he fails at politics anyway.

Even Anderson says he can't blame them for not wanting to believe it.  It's nightmare stuff. 

But what is the Alliance's excuse for not believing Shepard?  They sealed records, acted like Shepard is nuts, and buried everything because they wanted it gone.  But everyone is upset with the Council.  Where is the outrage towards the Alliance?

And politicans always sugarcoat threats.  Or almost always.  That is life.  

[Roachbugg]

Palidane wrote...

 This just baffles me. What have they done that is so despicable? Sure, the turian is a jerk, and he's over-fond of air quotes, but what else? The Asari and Salarien Councilors are reasonable, and have faith in you. They find you, alive after two years dead, working for an anti-alien terrorist organization, and then they restore your Spectre status as a show of good faith.

They don't believe in the Reapers, but can you blame them? What evidence do we have? A bad dream, the words of an insane Spectre, and some more advanced than normal technology that comes from a more advanced species. We have no proof, and proof is needed when it comes to the doom of all sentient species by a race of killer machines. The council has the weight of trillions on their shoulders, and they can't take such ridiculous claims on our reputation alone.

They reinsate your specter status but dont back you in any way shape or form. the go back to doing nothing to help humanity. Honestly if the option would have been presented of hey shepard ditch cerburus and we will fund your mission to investigate the collector attacks and see if they are involved witth the reapers it would have redeemed them but since they just went back into the denial zone to hell with them.



Some times it feels like Hackett and Anderson are the only ones who ever actually had you back besides your squad.
(and your mother if you play spacer shepard.) 

[Zarathiel]

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Palidane wrote...

They don't believe in the Reapers, but can you blame them? What evidence do we have?

2 big ones. Suit recordings that Ashley talked about in ME1 and the battle of the citadel. Its obvious the flagship wasn't Geth tech.

What did the suits record? A conversation with Sovereign that could easilly been a VI made by Saren to make people believe in the Reapers. A conversation about Reapers with a Spectre attempting a military coup against the galaxy. Again, from the Council's point of view, Saren is justy trying to make people believe in the Reapers to make people following him is the only way to be saved from them. And finally the conversation with Vigil. It says it changed it's "output in to a format [Shepard's squad] would comprehend." Who knows if it did this in a way the suits would record?

How is it obvious that a technolocially advanced species that has been hiding for hundreds of years and who's technolocial potential isn't fully understood couldn't have make Sovereign?

There should have been recordings of Vigil and BOTH confrontations with Saren. That would be more than enough to prove Saren was just a puppet and that the Reapers destroyed the Protheans, even to the blind fools on the Council.

[Patchwork]

Really what would be the point of outwardly admitting the Reaper threat exists? Panic over something that might not happen for 5 years or 50 is pointless. Economies would collapse and by the time the threat does manifest hubris has set in.

Better to deny everything and quietly order more warships built and send people to investigate. Both of which the council and the Alliance are doing.

I even rp-ed one of my Sheps going after the Geth in ME2's prologue so the council can downplay the Reapers and keep the galaxy stable for as long as possible.

[atheelogos]

GunMoth wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

GunMoth wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Palidane wrote...

They don't believe in the Reapers, but can you blame them? What evidence do we have?

2 big ones. Suit recordings that Ashley talked about in ME1 and the battle of the citadel. Its obvious the flagship wasn't Geth tech.

As Anderson states, the reaper was obliterated and the only pieces recovered still didn't prove anything.

Prior to ME1, reapers were a very old myth. Nobody previously knew what they looked like or what kind of organisms they would be. 

Here is a scenario: Imagine if a robot in Disney Land suddenly started saying "I am satan. I am satan. I will destroy you. etc. etc." People would PROBABLY be a bit shaken up by it, but many people would probably chalk it up to a prank, or one of the park tech experts messing around with the robots. Nobody would believe it was actually satan, and those who did would be viewed as religious extremists or occult fanatics. 

If you wont take the second point then fine, but the first point still stands. Suit recordings man. Everything Shep and his team saw or heard was recorded.

Omni-tools? Nobody was recording at that time. None of the main characters wipped ot their omni-tool and stated "LETS RECORD THIS JUST IN CASE." Their omni-tools don't record 100% of the time, if that's what you're saying. If they do, link me to a wiki page about it. 

Omni tools?... No I'm talking about the suit recordings that are located in their helmets. 3:35 www.youtube.com/watch

[Inutaisho7996]

Zarathiel wrote...

There should have been recordings of Vigil and BOTH confrontations with Saren. That would be more than enough to prove Saren was just a puppet and that the Reapers destroyed the Protheans, even to the blind fools on the Council.

The Virmire confrontation could have just been him trying to convince Shepard to join his coup by convincing him the Reapers were real, and it was the only way do survive.

Vigil might have transmitted directly to the squad's translators. Who knows if that would be recorded or not? It could also be a VI placed by Saren to delay Shepard giving Saren more time to complete his plan.

As for that last fight with Saren...that is a tough one to explain.

EDIT: I got it! Saren's arm was obviously a Geth arm, so it's not a stretch to think that he got more cybernetic upgrades from the Geth, and that the Geth were controlling his body in a last ditch effort to stop Shepard.

Modifié par Inutaisho7996, 04 juillet 2011 - 12:07 .

[Beerfish]

ladyvader wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

They are snarkey but not totally out of line in some regards.

The air quotes from the turian is quite disrespectful and out of line with that. 

Also, even Liara states that the Council are idiots.  She mentions this when you talk to her during the cabin scene in the LotSB.  

Oh, no doubt but them demanding proof a couple of times before they send a fleet into the traverse was pretty reasonable.   And after all they are politicians, they fit in well with just about any govt on earth right now.

[atheelogos]

Ser Bard wrote...

Better to deny everything and quietly order more warships built and send people to investigate. Both of which the council and the Alliance are doing.
 

They're building up their fleets to fight the Reapers? Where did you hear this?

[JukeFrog]

I only have a problem with the Asari and Turian councilors. The Salarian councilor seems to be the most agreeable with Shepard in ME1, and he's also the only councilor that doesn't openly give Shepard ****. Whereas the Asari councilor has this holier-than-thou attitude and the Turian councilor...well...he's self-explanatory. As much as I dislike those two, the council's actions are understandable.

PS: Anyone find it odd that we don't know the names of the most powerful ppl in Citadel space?

Modifié par JukeFrog, 04 juillet 2011 - 03:47 .

[LordPennlocke]

I don't hate the Council. I still want to say "Ah yes, Reapers" to the turian councilor and laugh though.

Modifié par LordPennlocke, 04 juillet 2011 - 04:03 .