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[rapscallioness]

I don't hate the council...although i do hang up on them alot. "typical human...." disconnect. "I don't find it amusing to be cut off.." disconnect.

But i still saved their butts.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

The forum seems to have agreed that the Turian councilor is named Velarn.
I recall some Cerberus Daily News entry mentioning a "Councilor Tevos"

I never kill them because I found their doubt in ME1 to be understandable.
After ME2 the only reason I don't retroactively kill them is so I can go "Ah yes, Reapers" In ME3.

[Swimming Ferret]

Yeah, I always let them live, even when I'm playing my Renegade-B*tch Shepard. I wasn't daft enough to make the council up of humans.

And yeah, I am SO waiting for "I told you so" in ME3 haha.

[baddogkelevra]

Because it's filled with politicians, not leaders.

[Duskeyboy]

more than half the human fleet got raped to save them from the ****ing reaper, and they shun the idea any way because they fear the backlash. Chunks of the reaper were IN the citadel along with sarens toasted body(i think) was more than enough researchable subjects so that the councils could haul their scaly asses in gear, but they chose to IGNORE IT, and get on with their sad fearful lives, and throw shepherd under the bus when ever he needs their support! ( but i still save them every time, because i want to see the look on their ****ing faces when the reapers attack!)

[Palidane]

Wow. I make one post, leave for a few hours, and come back to get 5 pages. Can't reply to everybody, but I wanna touch on some recurring arguments. I'm using a Paragon Shepard for my arguments, cause who would trust a renegade?

1.) "They are fools for denying the reapers! Sovereign is so obviously ridiculously not-geth!" Really? Really? Go on youtube and rewatch the Battle of the Citadel. Sovereign looks alot like the Geth ships, just bigger and with more tentacles. Keep in mind, nobody knows anything about the Geth. They've been behind the Perseus Veil for 300 years, which is long enough for entire new platforms to be developed. For all the Council knows, they lavished everything they had onto this one ship, and then sent in some frigates to back it up. That, coupled with the fact that most of Sovereign has been looted or otherwise taken, they don't have much to go on.

2.) "They have no faith in Shepard. He's done so much, but they don't trust him!" Trust can only go so far. They must look out for billions and billions of people. Shepard has done a lot of good and noble things, but he is still suggesting a race of sentient machines is coming to wipe out all sentient life to continue a cycle of extinction that began before the dawn of time.

And then Shepard "dies". Two years later, he shows up working for a known xenophobic terrorist group. I would think he'd gone mad, and was desperately searching for anyone to help him against the Reapers. In such a state, he would be easily manipulated. Now the Council is in quite a fix. They know that a righteous and good, if slightly delusional, man is tramping all over an enemy state, leaving explosions and dead body's behind. Shepard is still an icon, and even if he has no official power anymore, the Council will be blamed if he goes off and does something crazy, like say, kill 300,000 people to stop the race of sentient machine destroys coming back? They can't endorse him, because he is working with Cerberus, which will immediately anger the majority of citizens. So instead, they re-instate Shepard's spectre status, showing faith in him individually, if not his companions.

3.) "The council doesn't care about humans! They refuse to help us!" Yeah, and for good reason. As someone else said, if a turian colony was attacked, they'd send an enormous, overwhelming task force to deal with the problem. Besides, what do they want them to do? Send a fleet in? The Alliance hasn't even sent their own fleet in yet! The fact of the matter is, these people chose to settle an infamously unstable region, and now they pay the price for that. If the humans aren't willing to bail out the idiot, suicidal colonists, why should the council? Being a Council race means you have the means and resources to contribute to galactic society, not whine for help when a colony goes missing.

This is mostly directed to the forumites of BSN. Play through the Horizon and Freedom's Progress again. Who is everyone blaming for all the red tape and inactivity? The Systems Alliance. Not the Council, the Alliance. I'd say the blame for this whole incident rests on their shoulders, if there is any blame to be had at all.

All in all, I think Bioware overdid the Council in ME2, and demonized them to an unnecessary extent. I think they'll be much more open to the reapers when every extranet site is filled with human distress calls, as Earth burns to the ground.

Please excuse any grammatical errors or gaping logic holes. it's 1:44 AM where I'm at.

[TheMakoMaster]

the asari councilwoman is hot stuff. can't hate on her :-p

[Computer_God91]

I never had a serious issue with them, sure I don't like their standard "You're full of Sh!t" politician act but I always saved them anyway. I am waiting though in ME3 for the moment they call me and say "OMG YOU WERE RIGHT." and then I say "Told you so, now we all die for your idiocy."

I think that they are just covering it up and do know that the reapers exist but are secretly building an army. At least I hope they are cause the Citadel fleet got F-ed up!

[Son of Illusive Man]

Turian Councilor:
Save the Queen: "Do you know what you have just done, Shepard?"
Kill the Queen: "Do you enjoy committing genocide, Shepard?"

[Medhia Nox]

@Saphra Deden - try that at a new job, see how fantastically you're "demand for equality" is received.

Honestly - the Volus, Elcor, Hanar, etc. have been part of the Citadel for a long time and they haven't achieved "Council" status.

Humanity wants it "now now now" - then it's gotta give a lot more than those other species.

Or, it can enjoy its position as a sidelined race.

[Finis Valorum]

I don't hate the council and if you play Shepard in a certain way I always get the feeling that the Asari and Salarian councilors always remain at least slightly supportive of Shepard personally, even if they privately suspect he might be slightly unstable.

But I see Paladine has made the case for the Council already and better than I ever could.

[KujiPR]

ladyvader wrote...
 A few here are not taking into account that humanity is considered a bully by many species.  That does not help any.

...Even the Alliance is burying everything Shepard did/said.  They are not ready.  Hackett says that. 

Good Point.
So yeah, air quotes aside, the Council have made valid points.

Would you trust someone if they:
1) *Paragon* Release a rachni queen/ *Renegade* Destroy a rachni queen
2) Destroy a Prothean ruin/temple/artifact/whatever
3) Dissapears for two years.
4) Reappears asking for help in Terminus System (no jurisdiction for Council) and that the Reapers are coming (still no conclusive proof). I do admit the ''Saren charming the geth into following him'' theory they propose is a bit of a stretch for me.
5) *Renegade* Drop their phone calls
6) ''Works'' for Cerberus.
7) Chose to destroy the original council. Even though you advanced human interests by putting some in the council, it still looks awful that you had the chance to save the previous one and didnt.

I dislike the Council, but I wouldn't blindly trust the new guy.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

Of course Cerberus then decides to side with the reapers come ME3 :/. Interesting turn of events, the one faction powerful enough to do something about the Reapers that actually knows they exist ends up joining them. Makes me think of what that Volus on the Citadel says if you kill his two Krogan guards: "Why do I even bother?"

In Mass Effect: Evolution comic book series it's strongly implied that The Illusive Man was indoctrinated by the Reapers towards the end of the First Contact War.

[Frostmourne86]

I'm surprised that no-one has brought up what the asari Spectre Tela Vasir talks about after her boss battle in LoTSB. She comes out and outright says that since the SB gave her intel, she becomes his personal assassin - and she has experience doing that, since she set up the bombing to kill one person, and no remorse - and the Council does nothing. Tela has the gall, though, to say that since she's a Spectre somehow makes it fine. That kind of hypocrisy is why I hate the Council.

[ApplesauceBandit]

I like the Asari councilor & The Salarian, but that Turian is a DOUCHEBAG

[Turian-Garrus92]

I dont hate the Council....

I just hate that they dont listen to Shepard....

lol

[Turian-Garrus92]

I dont hate the Council....

I just hate that they dont listen to Shepard....

lol

[rpgfan321]

I don't hate the Council. Even as a renegade I save them.

Still I get why some people are like 'WTF!!' because on my first playthrough I met with them to talk to them and all I got was denial and that funny Turian air quote. I was like ' But you guys were on the Ascension and saw Soverign attack the ship!!! Don't tell me you couldn't distinguish a cuttlefish from a purple rod! It has tentacles and red lasers!!! Don't you have eyes!!!' 
Really frustrates the hell out of me everytime I play...

They must have been curled up, hugging each other in a corner with no windows... :happy: crying no doubt.

Please BioWare, let my Shepard be a smartass and finally use that air quote as a slap to that Turian's face!!!

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

No proof? How about that big ass reaper that almost blew their asses up?

They don't have the guts to try to solve anything... all they wanna do is stick their heads in the sand. And if it wasn't for Shepard and it was up to the council... the galaxy would be screwed.

[Kaiser Shepard]

They're not only ineffective, but idiots as well.

That about sums it up for me.

[slimgrin]

What council?

Modifié par slimgrin, 06 juillet 2011 - 02:31 .

[Heimdall]

I've written extensive posts about how the council is actually being quite rational. Too lazy to dig them up.