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[upsettingshorts]

Because if you already like her character without seeing her face, why introduce shallow aesthetics to a relationship that should already be beyond it?

[DaringMoosejaw]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Because if you already like her character without seeing her face, why introduce shallow aesthetics to a relationship that should already be beyond it?

It's not about liking the character, it's about character development. It's about seeing a character grow and it's about seeking answers in the mysteries the series has laid out since ME1. Keeping something a 'mystery' even though there's no in-universe reason for it whatsoever just strikes me as incredibly jarring.

[Spartanburger]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I've said this before, and I'll say it again: I hope we do not reveal her face.

Take, say, the Harry Potter films. I read the books before seeing the movies and even though I think the cast did an awesome job in the roles they were cast for, they weren't exactly what I had envisioned Dumbledore or house elves looking like, or Snape or dragons sounding like, etc. What was done was awesome work, but it was (for me) just a tiny bit wrong at the same time.

I can completely understand your reasoning, but some people don't actually see things in that same way.

Take myself for example. I read the HP books before watching the movies too. But my vision of what Harry, or any other character, was not ruined for me in any way because I did not have a vision of what they looked like. For all I cared, Harry could be an alien with neon blue skin. His character was not represented by any vision of what he looked like, it was represented by his character. His actions, words, interaction, that was what made Harry Harry in my eyes. Not his looks.

The exact same thing could be said about Eragon and the movie too.

It should be noted that we are also dealing with a completely different form of media, one that is not just words on paper, but audio and video stimuli that perform around the user's own interaction. Books are no more interactive than a movie. Movies are far more visually descriptive than Books. Video Games can combine both of those mediums and take it all one step further with the interaction.

If you were to change Tali's ingame model so that it was something completely different and then show it to me. I would not be able to tell who it was if you just showed me an image, but if I saw the character in action I would easily be able to tell that it is Tali.


tl;dr It is not the looks that define a character to me, it is the character itself. That is why it, in my eyes, does not matter that much if it is revealed or not as long as Tali remains Tali.


What makes me support a Tali reveal is the curiosity of what a Quarian looks like, not neccesarily Tali. The only problem would then be to find a Quarian important enough to show the face to the player, and therefore Shepard.
Tali had a reason to show Shepard her face. Unless you had Kal or one of the admirals as a romance there would not really be any opportunity to see a face, unless you were walking in an infirmary and got a glimpse of one, or if you were walking past an area with some of the Quarian kid bubble zorbs.
The biggest opportunity to show a Quarians face in ME3 would be (assuming this actually happens in the plot) upon returning their homeworld to them and having Shepard and Tali on the planet itself, so if you're going to show a Quarian's face, there is no reason why it shouldn't be Tali.

[Sylvianus]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Because if you already like her character without seeing her face, why introduce shallow aesthetics to a relationship that should already be beyond it?

Because Bioware has shown its face to shepard. Because Bioware has done everything to arouse the curiosity of the player. And development for this purpose was provided. Now threatened because of a desire that is nothing more than a little scared.

I ask you the same question. If you already love Tali why can you not satisfied with what is shown ?

Tali, the quarians are a very interesting species that should deepen and develop.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 05 juillet 2011 - 09:06 .

[Stickyblah]

This seems like the best opportunity to reveal a Quarian's face, if they're going to ever do it. I'd rather them reveal her face in ME3 than some spin-off MMO 10 years from now, to me that "mystery" is just going to eventually be an annoyance. I'd rather them reveal her face, because the mystery doesn't matter much to me, I'm not going to be all up in arms, no matter what she looks like. If Quarian's are ugly, they're ugly, if they're beautiful, they're beautiful, there's nothing to get mad about. So what if you're disappointed, it's part of life. If you were to hang out with someone who for whatever reason, never showed their face, it's not like you're going to go flaming God because they're ugly. They are what they are, no point in hiding it.

[Clover Rider]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

I just want to know one thing why a spider?

Also how did she kiss Shepard with a face like that?

Spiderface is a standin for "not attractive by any human standards" - which is what I'd actually want to see if they revealed Tali's face. 

From what little we can see of her face in that mask it looks human-like so I don't think they will go that way.

I myself want something normal looking(maybe a bit cute) but no over the top hot or monster face, I am odd in that way.

[JediHealerCosmin]

Chris Priestly wrote...

-snip-

I completely understand what you're saying Mr. Priestly. And I'm also going to agree on the Harry Potter example.
However, I happen to be one of those people who likes to uncover every secret possible, no matter the timetable.

Revan is the perfect example. I've been waiting for over 6 years and I'm still just as curious and anxious as ever.
Again, Dragon Age 2. I didn't like it as much but I can't wait to see what happens next.


As a consumer, I would like to point out that the only complaints I had with BioWare products is the fact that you people love your secrets and to torture us  

[upsettingshorts]

Sylvianus wrote...

Because Bioware has shown its face to shepard.

So what?

Sylvianus wrote...

Because Bioware has done everything to arouse the curiosity of the player.

So what?

Sylvianus wrote...

I ask you the same question. If you already love Tali why can not you satisfied with what is shown ?

I actually don't, never did really.  And I imagine that makes my opinion irrelvant.  I'd claim it gives me a more detached perspective from which to evaluate, but really... I don't expect anyone to care about my opinion.

Sylvianus wrote...

Tali, the quarians are a very interesting species that should deepen and develop.

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

It's not about liking the character, it's about character development. It's about seeing a character grow and it's about seeking answers in the mysteries the series has laid out since ME1. Keeping something a 'mystery' even though there's no in-universe reason for it whatsoever just strikes me as incredibly jarring.

I don't see how showing Tali's face develops her at all, it would seem to go against the grain of her entire experience.  I wouldn't be against showing a different Quarian face though.

...all that said, it's not truly important to me either way.  I will only care much at all if Tali is a stereotypical hot space elf.  We already have the Asari we don't need more of them.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 05 juillet 2011 - 09:09 .

[Spartanburger]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
I wouldn't be against showing a different Quarian face though.

The problem then arises of what other Quarian would show the player, and therefore Shepard, his/her face.

[upsettingshorts]

Spartanburger wrote...

The problem then arises of what other Quarian would show the player, and therefore Shepard, his/her face.

If the Quarians are at war with the Geth in ME3 - which I wouldn't be shocked if they were - there are plenty of shot off facemask possibilities. 

Or they could just show a picture of one. 

Or keep them hidden for reasons CP explained.

[Spartanburger]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Spartanburger wrote...

The problem then arises of what other Quarian would show the player, and therefore Shepard, his/her face.

If the Quarians are at war with the Geth in ME3 - which I wouldn't be shocked if they were - there are plenty of shot off facemask possibilities. 

Or they could just show a picture of one. 

Or keep them hidden for reasons CP explained.

I'll just copy paste so you don't have to waste engery reading a post only a few post above.

What makes me support a Tali reveal is the curiosity of what a Quarian looks like, not neccesarily Tali. The only problem would then be to find a Quarian important enough to show the face to the player, and therefore Shepard.
Tali had a reason to show Shepard her face. Unless you had Kal or one of the admirals as a romance there would not really be any opportunity to see a face, unless you were walking in an infirmary and got a glimpse of one, or if you were walking past an area with some of the Quarian kid bubble zorbs.
The biggest opportunity to show a Quarians face in ME3 would be (assuming this actually happens in the plot) upon returning their homeworld to them and having Shepard and Tali on the planet itself, so if you're going to show a Quarian's face, there is no reason why it shouldn't be Tali.

[Alamar2078]

I "want" to see her face but I think it would be OK if B/W doesn't show her face. Something I wouldn't mind is in some sort of video epilogue you see her [from behind] on her homeworld and isn't wearing her helmet. If she's your LI then maybe Shep is walking with her [possibly with his suit on in an odd turnaround].

[Spartanburger]

Rojahar wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

I always thought a good way to reveal what quarians in general look like would be to see a statue on Rannoch, or an old poster, or a quarian mannequin in an old store. Something like that.

I think that would be a great idea too.

Actually, hold the phone for a minute.

This is actually a very good idea.

For those that are curious as to what a Quarian look like, if answers that question nicely.
For those who don't wan't Tali's face revealed, it keeps it hidden whist keeping some details about Quarian features (particularly color, this is a statue) from public knowledge.
For those who do, they're given enough of an idea about a Quarian's looks to know generally how she looks.

[Sylvianus]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Because Bioware has shown its face to shepard.

So what?

Sylvianus wrote...

Because Bioware has done everything to arouse the curiosity of the player.

So what?

Sylvianus wrote...

I ask you the same question. If you already love Tali why can not you satisfied with what is shown ?

I actually don't, never did really.  And I imagine that makes my opinion irrelvant.  I'd claim it gives me a more detached perspective from which to evaluate, but really... I don't expect anyone to care about my opinion.

Sylvianus wrote...

Tali, the quarians are a very interesting species that should deepen and develop.

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

It's not about liking the character, it's about character development. It's about seeing a character grow and it's about seeking answers in the mysteries the series has laid out since ME1. Keeping something a 'mystery' even though there's no in-universe reason for it whatsoever just strikes me as incredibly jarring.

I don't see how showing Tali's face develops her at all, it would seem to go against the grain of her entire experience.  I wouldn't be against showing a different Quarian face though.

...all that said, it's not truly important to me either way.  I will only care much at all if Tali is a stereotypical hot space elf.  We already have the Asari we don't need more of them.

So what ? That means Mass Effect 3 is full of surprises, surprises awaited since the first episode, intensified in the second.

Tali talks about her tragedy to be in a combination, her wanting to touch the flowers, breath without  helmet, make love with her skin free. Everything leads to believe that it should be revealed.

Besides, Bioware had also thinking of showing it, that's why all that. But the project was discussed because there have been reactions from fans.

How to make another race deepen Mass Effect ? It's the same kind of silly question you pose. Do not want because I want to imagine the others races myself.

The character that you want it or not since M2's will tends to be. The drug she used to make love with shepard is an end. She has taken a step. A step that should have happened in Mass Effect  3 without the reaction of fans.

If they do not show Tali but others quarians, I'm fine. But I do not see how we can show other quarians females and males without an idea of ​​how is tali. It's a half measure unnecessary and inefficient.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 05 juillet 2011 - 09:27 .

[Saberchic]

I don't want to see Tali's face. I like the mystery.

Besides, I think they missed the opportunity to reveal it in ME2. What other time would be more perfect than the first time Shep and Tali get together to reveal her face?

[nhsk]

Spartanburger wrote...

I'll just copy paste so you don't have to waste engery reading a post only a few post above.

What makes me support a Tali reveal is the curiosity of what a Quarian looks like, not neccesarily Tali. The only problem would then be to find a Quarian important enough to show the face to the player, and therefore Shepard.
Tali had a reason to show Shepard her face. Unless you had Kal or one of the admirals as a romance there would not really be any opportunity to see a face, unless you were walking in an infirmary and got a glimpse of one, or if you were walking past an area with some of the Quarian kid bubble zorbs.
The biggest opportunity to show a Quarians face in ME3 would be (assuming this actually happens in the plot) upon returning their homeworld to them and having Shepard and Tali on the planet itself, so if you're going to show a Quarian's face, there is no reason why it shouldn't be Tali.

Here is an idea; you're on Rannoch, leading a strike force while Kal Reegar and some fodder Migrant Fleet marines lead a diversion, as you finish the mission you go to Kal Reegars position and see a dead female quarian with her mask blown off.
It's nobody of importance, it's not related to some big awesome moment of "now we just need to find an important quarian to reveal his/her face to Shepard..." - It's simply a chance encounter that solves what a quarian looks like, but it is not Tali, it is not somebody important, it's just a dead marine that didn't choose to show her face to Shepard.

[rolson00]

i think that they shouldnt for show her races faces inme3 but show it in the next me game set after say shepard gets her race their homeworld back thus allowing them to get a decent immunsystem again

Modifié par rolson00, 05 juillet 2011 - 09:26 .

[Spartanburger]

Saberchic wrote...
Besides, I think they missed the opportunity to reveal it in ME2. What other time would be more perfect than the first time Shep and Tali get together to reveal her face?

The main opportunity for a reveal I see is (if the plot goes there) when returning Rannoch to the Quarian people. Perhaps Shepard and Tali are nearby the shuttle looking into a sunrise where you can see hundreds upon hundreds of Quarian ships landing in the distance.
Or there could just be another romance scene.

But you have a point. If the plot point mentioned above does not occur, what time would be a good time to reveal her face?

[DaringMoosejaw]

Saphra Deden wrote...

You see, this is why movies suck nowadays. Nobody wants anything left to the imagination.

I thought it was due to recycling plots and making safe bets due to a run-down economy? Some things I support imagination for, but some things have been baited in front of me far too often to sit down and accept and enjoy as a subtle aesthetic. Tali's just way too involved at this point after being made a potential LI to just leave things a mystery even though everyone else in universe knows what they look like.

The compromise everyone is naming is show a different quarian. That's great and all, but if you're going to show A quarian, why not Tali? I mean, right there all the big 'mysteries' you've been wondering about can be reasonably applied to Tali - just not the minor details. You might as well make it a quarian people care about than not to heighten the impact.

To me, they just left too many hints. You can generally see the outline of the face under the helmet, the suits are form-fitting, it's not as if they are in gigantic power-suits with absolutely no hints to their general appearance. If they were that, and if you didn't have the opportunity to get that..err...involved with one of their race, I'd be totally fine with keeping their appearance a secret. But there's just been too much raw meat thrown in the direction of my innate human curiousity to wish it left alone.

Modifié par DaringMoosejaw, 05 juillet 2011 - 09:31 .