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[Deviija]

I would prefer NOT to see Tali's face.

I think having a reveal would be lose-lose. Either she's a space babe beautiful elf with exotic features under that mask (the option I find to be the biggest copout), or she's some hideously awesome creature, there will be a section of fans that will be greatly annoyed. Leaving her face masked, like it has been in the first two games, would offer nothing that the other games haven't shown already. No one is losing out on anything that isn't already there, just maintaining the same image.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Deviija wrote...


I would prefer NOT to see Tali's face.

I think having a reveal would be lose-lose. Either she's a space babe beautiful elf with exotic features under that mask (the option I find to be the biggest copout), or she's some hideously awesome creature, there will be a section of fans that will be greatly annoyed. Leaving her face masked, like it has been in the first two games, would offer nothing that the other games haven't shown already. No one is losing out on anything that isn't already there, just maintaining the same image.

You can already see two eyes and a pretty human-like nose in the usual spots. It's not going to be TOO wildly alien no matter what they do.

[Spartanburger]

nhsk wrote...

Here is an idea; you're on Rannoch, leading a strike force while Kal Reegar and some fodder Migrant Fleet marines lead a diversion, as you finish the mission you go to Kal Reegars position and see a dead female quarian with her mask blown off. It's nobody of importance, it's not related to some big awesome moment of "now we just need to find an important quarian to reveal his/her face to Shepard..." - It's simply a chance encounter that solves what a quarian looks like, but it is not Tali, it is not somebody important, it's just a dead marine that didn't choose to show her face to Shepard.

But that's just it. It's nobody of importance. Both games have been leading up to a reveal, and if the 'great reveal' is just some random dead Quarian, it's a huge letdown. Yes it answers the question of what they look like, but how it answers it would be completely unsatisfying for many people.Plus, on Haestrom, on the Alerei, where was the Quarians-with-blown-off-masks then? And a shot wouldn't blow off a mask, it would shatter it and keep going into flesh. I don't think tha the 'great revea' would be in any was satisfying if what we got was a bloodied up corpse.

[JediHealerCosmin]

Saberchic wrote...

Besides, I think they missed the opportunity to reveal it in ME2. What other time would be more perfect than the first time Shep and Tali get together to reveal her face?

I agree with you there, but you gotta admit: the temptation to troll everyone was just too great for BioWare

[Spartanburger]

Also: 86.6% of people on facebook vote yes for the reveal.

77.9% vote for a reveal here on BSN, 38.6% vote for it being alien in the same way that the Drell are considered alien.

Majority votes people, majority votes.

[Sylvianus]

Rezources wrote...

I don't think "they shouldn't reveal her face because people will be disappointed" is valid, as true as that may be. I just think it's entirely irrelevant at this point. What purpose would it serve other than pissing people off who have come to imagine their own version of quarian faces? In what context would it make sense in ME3 that a quarian takes off it's mask and reveals it's face? They had that chance with Tali in ME2 and decided against it for a reason. All you'd be doing is taking something tragic and mysterious and making it less interesting.

And those people who would not be happy if we show tali ? They are more important than others ? There are people who will not be happy if we don't reveal the face of tali. So ?

Modifié par Sylvianus, 05 juillet 2011 - 09:43 .

[magnuskn]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I've said this before, and I'll say it again: I hope we do not reveal her face.

Why not? Well, no matter what she looks like under there or how well a job the team does with the reveal, it will never live up to what I personally have in my own imagination. Don't get me wrong, I know if they choose to reveal her face, they will put a lot of time and effort into making it the moment fans have been waiting for. However, it just won't live up to what I have in my mind's eye.

Take, say, the Harry Potter films. I read the books before seeing the movies and even though I think the cast did an awesome job in the roles they were cast for, they weren't exactly what I had envisioned Dumbledore or house elves looking like, or Snape or dragons sounding like, etc. What was done was awesome work, but it was (for me) just a tiny bit wrong at the same time.

Before Tali's face is revealed there is huge speculation on what she looks like. Is she pretty or ugly, is she humanoid or more alien, nose or no nose, eye and skin color, etc. All the things fans have been guessing and speculating and fan arting for years now. Once we reveal her THAT is what Tali looks like. No more guessing or hoping or whatever. I know that if her face is revealed many people will be happy, but I know there will be those who are upset because we will have "got it wrong". We won't have gotten it wrong as we are the creators and what we say goes (yeah, I know how that sounds, but you get what I mean), but for those people we will have gotten it wrong as we won't have lived up to their vision of what she looks like.

So for me, I hope they don't reveal her face. I also get why people want to see it, but I prefer to leave it up to my imagination to determine her look. Still, I have no say in whether her face is shown or not. Casey and the team will weigh all the pros and cons and make the right choice and we'll all see whether they reveal it or not. Stay tuned.

Besides the issue of this mentality kind of obligating the writing team to never show a Quarians face in any future project, ever, I think that this is the wrong way to approach the question.

Will some people be disappointed? Sure. But our lives are all about managing expectations and living with reality not being totally perfect. Revealing Talis face will be a good part of the pay-off for romancing her two games in a row ( and, IMO, should be restricted to people who do romance her, as a reward ).

I think this is way more important than keeping some mystique, which will probably be broken anyway a few years down the line, only that by then it will be some other random Quarian, whose face we see for story reasons of one way or another. I'd rather have that Quarian be Tali, so that the moment of revelation is tied into the emotions we fans of her feel for that particularly important character.

[Sanguinerin]

I don't see how showing Tali's face can destroy someone's imagination.

I'll use an example with fan fiction. Alistair in Dragon Age: Origins is straight. That doesn't stop fan fiction writers and modders from altering that to their own liking. Tali can still look like whatever the developers have in store for her, and that still doesn't have to destroy anyone's imagination.

I, personally, love to see how different people interpret the same person, instance, thing, etc. To use Mr. Priestly's example, I love Harry Potter. I love the books and the movies. I also love them differently. I imagine the books as I read them, and my imagination creates things differently than the movies. That doesn't mean that I can't also enjoy the perspective from which the movie developers took the film.

I have no artistic talent, so I enjoy seeing someone else's perspective in a more concrete form (since I can't draw whatsoever, my own artistic interpretation remains quite alone in my own head). I expect that Tali will be handled with great care if the developers choose to portray her, and personally, I'd love to have a scene where she gets to finally enjoy being out in the open air.

I could describe all day how much I imagine her standing out in a windswept field back on her home planet, her fingers delicately touching a flower nearby, or perhaps trying to catch the petals getting caught up and swept away. The brief but radiant smile of being overjoyed. I mean, this is how I imagine a "good ending" with Tali post-salvation from the Reapers playing out, but that doesn't mean the vision the developers choose to give me will be any less satisfying.

Like others, I fell in love with her because of her personality. Of course it still doesn't matter to me what she looks like. I want to see what the developers envision for her and the Quarian race, but I don't see myself loving her any less because of that appearance.

[Grimmace]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...


You can already see two eyes and a pretty human-like nose in the usual spots. It's not going to be TOO wildly alien no matter what they do.

That and from the novels you get some more descriptions. Shepard smiles when he sees her face, so I would think she is at least acceptable by human standards. No human like ears (codex or from a novel if I remember correctly), recurve shins, and glowing eyes, the rest seems pretty human. So, if she is acceptable by human standards, she'll look just fine. Besides, when does the hero not get at least a descent looking romance? All of the other aliens seem to be good looking enough in there own way (Thane, Liara, and Garrus), I would think Tali would follow the same formula.

Modifié par Grimmace, 05 juillet 2011 - 09:55 .

[Sylvianus]

Spartanburger wrote...

Also: 86.6% of people on facebook vote yes for the reveal.

77.9% vote for a reveal here on BSN, 38.6% vote for it being alien in the same way that the Drell are considered alien.

Majority votes people, majority votes.

As I already said, it's unlikely to see a majority of people who loves mass effect as a whole, refuse to see the quarians revealed and Tali. It is a development that will only add depth to Mass Effect, as artistically, as in the true meaning of what quariansreally  lost when they lost their world and were forced to be in combination. We will then have a vision of what they were in the past, and that's something that has positive values​​.

This is a new dimension of quarians that  will appear. The mystery was grown in the first two episodes, it is now mature, it can be revealed.

And mystery, may still be other things about them.

I'm not a fan of never revealing anything, it's a way to scroll. And I hope that we'll know everything about the Reapers.

[magnuskn]

Rezources wrote...
If you really are that interested in seeing a quarian, you must know that whatever bioware comes up with will disappoint you. Can I ask, what was it about Tali that made you a fan of hers to begin with? If it was only because you thought that her face might be reveiled later after you talked to her/romanced her, that seems like very little to be attached to a character for. If you were genuinley interested in the character, than by this point, what her face looks like shouldn't really matter to you. 

Uh, although I am not the person you responded to, why exactly would wanting to see her face mean that one will be disappointed by its reveal? Although it will probably not look exactly like we imagined it, it still can look amazing.

And wanting to see her face does not mean not being attached to her due to her personality. Both things are possible at the same time.

[DarthSliver]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I've said this before, and I'll say it again: I hope we do not reveal her face.

Why not? Well, no matter what she looks like under there or how well a job the team does with the reveal, it will never live up to what I personally have in my own imagination. Don't get me wrong, I know if they choose to reveal her face, they will put a lot of time and effort into making it the moment fans have been waiting for. However, it just won't live up to what I have in my mind's eye.

Take, say, the Harry Potter films. I read the books before seeing the movies and even though I think the cast did an awesome job in the roles they were cast for, they weren't exactly what I had envisioned Dumbledore or house elves looking like, or Snape or dragons sounding like, etc. What was done was awesome work, but it was (for me) just a tiny bit wrong at the same time.

Before Tali's face is revealed there is huge speculation on what she looks like. Is she pretty or ugly, is she humanoid or more alien, nose or no nose, eye and skin color, etc. All the things fans have been guessing and speculating and fan arting for years now. Once we reveal her THAT is what Tali looks like. No more guessing or hoping or whatever. I know that if her face is revealed many people will be happy, but I know there will be those who are upset because we will have "got it wrong". We won't have gotten it wrong as we are the creators and what we say goes (yeah, I know how that sounds, but you get what I mean), but for those people we will have gotten it wrong as we won't have lived up to their vision of what she looks like.

So for me, I hope they don't reveal her face. I also get why people want to see it, but I prefer to leave it up to my imagination to determine her look. Still, I have no say in whether her face is shown or not. Casey and the team will weigh all the pros and cons and make the right choice and we'll all see whether they reveal it or not. Stay tuned.

I think her face reveal should be for people who were completely Loyal to her throughout the ME games. Meaning if I romanced Liara in the first game than Tali in the second, that file is already flagged as not being able to see her face in ME3. Than there is more flags to worry about throughout ME2 for one who wants to see her face in ME3. but Chris I am sure you know what I mean by complete Loyalty to Tali to see her face in ME3.  I just dont think i should be able to see her face if i was a complete dick to her you know or dickish at all to her. But yeah her face needs to be revealed but only to the most Loyal Shepards.
   Also being able to see her face should also be something a person jumping into ME3 for their first ME game cant see worth the likes of whatever decisions they can make in the intro thing. Should only be reserved for an upload Shepard file if all flags are meant. 

[DaringMoosejaw]

You can already see a quarian's physical outline. You can already see important parts of a quarian's general facial features. If you reveal one quarian, you can pretty much extrapolate the big mysteries about the rest of her facial features aside from individual details. The 'mystery' factor is just way out the window with me at this point because they've already given away that much, and it's more about doing the character justice at this stage that you should fully flesh out the race and the character rather than leaving it in a half-finished state that it's in now.

If quarians lived in suits of bulky power-armor and you couldn't ever see a hint of their physical features at all, I'd get the mystery bit.

[Alamar2078]

Spartanburger wrote...

Also: 86.6% of people on facebook vote yes for the reveal.

77.9% vote for a reveal here on BSN, 38.6% vote for it being alien in the same way that the Drell are considered alien.

Majority votes people, majority votes.

Yeah but I'm OK if B/W is a dictatorship

[Sanguinerin]

Rezources wrote...

If you really are that interested in seeing a quarian, you must know that whatever bioware comes up with will disappoint you. Can I ask, what was it about Tali that made you a fan of hers to begin with? If it was only because you thought that her face might be reveiled later after you talked to her/romanced her, that seems like very little to be attached to a character for. If you were genuinley interested in the character, than by this point, what her face looks like shouldn't really matter to you. 

That's wrong.

I fell in love with Tali for her personality, quite true. If her appearance is truly terrible, that still doesn't take anything away from her fantastic character. I'm curious as to her appearance and that of all Quarians purely out of the sake of curiosity. If she's beautiful, then she has an appearance to match her personality. If she's hideous (which I still don't think she will be, whether she's more alien or not), then she's still a fantastic character.

Some people won't think less of a person just because their not on par with some sort of model standard. Garrus isn't the ideal looking man either, but I still love his personality enough to continue a romance with him with a female Shepard. His rough Turian exterior doesn't matter, the same way whatever Tali looks like won't matter in terms of her character. They can be beautiful in their own right and not entirely human-looking, just like the Turians and other races are.

I want to see the Quarians when, here's hoping, that they finally get to feel the air and the sunlight on their skin again. I think that the possibilities of getting to see them without their suits could be far more amazing than what they actually look like. Imagine the feeling of a scene if you were there with the Quarians, as they finally got to reveal themselves in the open, freely, once again?

I think the scenes could be beautiful and powerful, and that's what I want.

Modifié par HallowedWarden, 05 juillet 2011 - 10:11 .

[Domber121]

Rezources wrote...

If you really are that interested in seeing a quarian, you must know that whatever bioware comes up with will disappoint you. Can I ask, what was it about Tali that made you a fan of hers to begin with? If it was only because you thought that her face might be reveiled later after you talked to her/romanced her, that seems like very little to be attached to a character for. If you were genuinley interested in the character, than by this point, what her face looks like shouldn't really matter to you. 

I can't even image how you think you can get away with telling someone how they think or will react better than that person can for them self.


As I have said I just hope they have more faith in the fans that we wont all go ballistic if some of us don't like the way her face looks. They dramatically changed Liara's personality from ME1 to ME2. It looks like they are going to do the same for Jack from ME2 to ME3. They are also making a big change to how Ash looks. Where some people unhappy and very out spoken about these changes? Yes, but the majority of people enjoyed it and accepted it. I feel strongly people will act similarly if they show Tali's face; some people will get upset and nerd rage all over the internet but the majority of people will accept it and enjoy it no matter what they end up making her look like.


Also these games have all been about choices so why not make it a choice. If you are willing to make some effort and sacrifices for it you can get Tali out of the mask. If not then you get to keep the mystery.


And no I don't buy the, "I wont be able to keep it a mystery because people will post her face all over the internet," argument.

[Sylvianus]

Rezources wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Rezources wrote...

I don't think "they shouldn't reveal her face because people will be disappointed" is valid, as true as that may be. I just think it's entirely irrelevant at this point. What purpose would it serve other than pissing people off who have come to imagine their own version of quarian faces? In what context would it make sense in ME3 that a quarian takes off it's mask and reveals it's face? They had that chance with Tali in ME2 and decided against it for a reason. All you'd be doing is taking something tragic and mysterious and making it less interesting.

And those people who would not be happy if whe show tali ? They are more important than others ? There are people who will not be happy if we don't reveal the face of tali. So ?

If you really are that interested in seeing a quarian, you must know that whatever bioware comes up with will disappoint you. Can I ask, what was it about Tali that made you a fan of hers to begin with? If it was only because you thought that her face might be reveiled later after you talked to her/romanced her, that seems like very little to be attached to a character for. If you were genuinley interested in the character, than by this point, what her face looks like shouldn't really matter to you. 

I'm not a  "score fan " of tali, but I like her very much . But this isn't the question. I am against an arrested development to meet a few small fans angry and afraid.

Mass Effect was to gain depth and see that it is threatening for some reason as little justifiable when there is a small minority irritates me a little.

Let's be clear. Tali wasn't developed solely for her score fans, Tali is a character that has been developed for all fans of Bioware. It's the same for all. Her fate and that of quarians concern me as much.

Just because there have a romance with her , don't make  their point more valid. Especially when their point is simply fear. I just see no  solid reasons. I understand the story of the imagination as well. But fear until to refuse development of quarians background, I will never understand.

This is not a way for a video game. What about things to stagnate for a simple fan service.

Tali was my first romance. I started with M2 ( so i didn't know ashley lol ). I didn't care her face. It's her personality that interested me.

But bioware led to believe it would be revealed and it was the case. But whatever.

The most important thing is that something was planned, and that ultimately it will not happen because I prefer my imagination.

No, why worry about how shewill appear if it doesn't count ? If it doesn't match the expectations it should not interfere with your mind. Since it's her personality that count ?.

I do not care that Tali is beautiful or not, I want to see a new dimension of quarians. I want to see her head. I want to see Mass Effect as it was intended, and not cut.

And even though I am disappointed, even if highly unlikely, I will be happy that Mass Effect 3 has reserved this long-awaited surprise.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 05 juillet 2011 - 10:21 .

[kidbd15]

I say SHOW HER FACE... it would not ruin her character for me, it would just add to it. I would be upset if they didn't show her face.