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[Sylvianus]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

I stand by my option, show quarians, just not Tali. It is impossible to please the one crowd without creating massive discontent within the other, so why not take an intermediate solution that at least appeases both crowds. Granted, none gets its full share, but at least no one gets the hammer to the face.


I don't see how people actually still fuzz over who's right if clearly both are wrong. I mean, everyone could see it if they just looked at the bigger picture!

Just because a compromise is in the middle of two dissenting points of view does not make it correct. You want to drown 500 puppies. I want to drown 0 puppies. So you say, hey, let's compromise! 250 puppies. Everybody's happy.

And @ Sylvianus:
You are more and more resembling a "Stop not liking what I like"-Hater with your foremost negative reasonings. Just to point that out.

And you're right.

I dislike the fanservice when it's a mess. I dislike to think that development is at risk for such absurd reasons. I dislike, that a minority decide for the others.  What you like is your business, I don't care, what is serious is the kind of legitimacy that was given to the selfishness that has no place. Selfish reason without valid reasons, that's crazy.

Bioware developed the grandfather of Ashley. You think because I'm a fan of Ashley it gives me the right to requires  Bioware in that they reveal nothing about him ? Do you really think ? And the others ? They are less important because they are not fan of Ashley ?

No I have no right to ask that, if is a compartment that belongs to a development that is part of the story.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 07 juillet 2011 - 08:25 .

[Robodragon]

This would have been a non issue if we never had the option to romance tali in the first place, if they didn't want to reveal or even wanted to reveal her face there would be people argueing about it cause a lot of the mystery comes from the fact that we can make her a LI.

While yes thats not all the mystery there is to the character and race I personally think that when you teased people with that scene in ME2 where we didn't even see her skin color or if they even had sex or done it at all (yes there is very little proof if they just made out or had sex) it was like a bid slap in the face when we thought we would see her face.

To me it seemed like they dropped the ball on that bit, i think people would have been happy even seeing the skin color and while i still would have liked to see her face i wouldn't want it so much as i do now cause revealing even part of a mystery at least tells you something and people can be satisfied with that.

[tabulius]

When I played the ME2 for the first time, I started the romance with Tali. Some point in the game I started to worry how she would look like? Is it right to date an alien? I had doubts first, but then I saw her inner strength and braveness when she was ready to be exiled to save Tali's father reputation - my heart knew. I don't care what she looks like, because in inside she was the most beautiful from the group.

I know, it's just a game ;-)

[Rafficus III]

@Sylvianus: Thank you.

I think people are just losing sight of the big picture. Some call it an artistic choice to deny her reveal, but there's nothing really artistic about it. Art is meant not for, but simply as. This is why a painting can be considered art and a family photograph as just a picture. It's the point stressed in the Fountainhead about why Ayn Rand's protagonist is such a great architect; because he constructs for what the building needs, not what people deem aesthetic to themselves. She's not Master Chief, a lead protagonist who's open to imagination; Tali's a supporting individual who has been building up her own budding identity, she's is meant as an identity and not a fanservice. Naysayers will say what they will, but in the end Bioware made the alien girls that the guys in gaming industry drool over and love. Not the fan art. So Bioware knows best in the matter. It certainly will divide the Tali fans from the self-fans, because simply put, if you're a true fan, you stick to your character no matter what. And, for clarification, I'm not big on Tali in comparison to Ash or other females. I just find this debate interesting.

[Sylvianus]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...
@Sylvianus: Just as you don't have any right to get the opposite. Only BioWare has the rights (literally) and it is only their decision.

  And it still doesn't justify a cut in a development for that raison, for a small minority. So, the right to say the things which displease.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 07 juillet 2011 - 08:59 .

[Jebel Krong]

Sylvianus wrote...

1- Everything leads Tali to reveal her face.

2- Since when some fans decide to refuse a development ( That is for all ) for a reason like that. Soon they'll decide now to not allow to know more about the past of the characters because they prefer their imagination. What a joke.

This is nonsense.

yet you're still happy for a small group of fans to dictate that we have to see her face, including yourself. hmm.... <_<

[Sylvianus]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

1- Everything leads Tali to reveal her face.

2- Since when some fans decide to refuse a development ( That is for all ) for a reason like that. Soon they'll decide now to not allow to know more about the past of the characters because they prefer their imagination. What a joke.

This is nonsense.

yet you're still happy for a small group of fans to dictate that we have to see her face, including yourself. hmm.... <_<

The story, the background of the characters, the creations in the world of Bioware are immutable. They belong to Bioware, are developped for all, you can't ask to cut something for satisfy some.  To refuse a development here, is a nonsense.

You can't say, let my imagination in what I mentionned above,.  In this case, you must stop to play the game.

Quarians were created by Bioware,  Miranda was created by bipware. They are free to decide when they reveal things about them. And when they want, they shouldn't feel uncomfortable because some cry. especially as other are affected.

Refusing suddenly a development is something very important. This must require a valid reason.

Let my imagination for a race created by bioware. What does that mean ? Don't reveal anything about the turians for example, what does that mean, let my imagination ? Nonsense. If they are planning something, they do and that's it.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 07 juillet 2011 - 09:53 .

[Thompson family]

I'm only half joking: Make a "Tali Revealed" DLC.

People who want to see Tali can buy it.

[SafetyShattered]

Yes show her face, if I didn't romance her it wouldn't matter as much to more but considering my shep slept with her i want to see what she looked like. Face it no matter what they do some people are going to be pissed, so they might as well. It's not like they are going to have another chance. But if they absolutely insist in not showing Tali at least show me what the quarians look like in general, like maybe another female quarian, just so I have a general idea about what they look like. But personally Bioware has done so much to make her such a loveable character, I can't see them not showing her face, especially considering how many people love her as a character.

[SafetyShattered]

Oh and it also really bothers me that everyone else in the Mass Effect universe knows what a quarian looks like but me. I'm the one that slept with her, shouldn't I at least know what she looks like. Please Bioware, all I ask is that when you make a decision please just say so, I will be so pissed if I expect to see her face then I beat ME3 and I don't.

[Therefore_I_Am]

Ah, I wish this forum never had such profound schisms.

[Wojtek the Soldier Bear]

Forced camera angles on Miranda's ass in ME2. And I can't even see what my favorite character's head looks like. What a world!

[vanslyke85]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I don't need to see her 'face' because I've already seen her face. She's the girl with the purple mask and the shy personality that's who she is seeing the flesh behind the mask isn't her 'face' just like the muscle beneath that or the bone beneath that.

wowwww your so deeeep.

show her face I've waited 3 years!!

[ThePwener]

And I've been waiting six years. But more time goes by, the less I'd like to. Remember how underwelming it was to see Vader's face at the end of "Return of the Jedi"?

I imagine the same would happen here. Like: "That's her face!?"

Modifié par ThePwener, 08 juillet 2011 - 10:52 .

[Candidate 88766]

ThePwener wrote...

And I've been waiting six years. But more time goes by, the less I'd like to. Remember how underwelming it was to see Vader's face at the end of "Return of the Jedi"?

I imagine the same would happen here. Like: "That's her face!?"

I've you've literally been waiting 6 years to see Tali's face (was Tali even a confirmed character 6 years ago?) then I think your imagination will have built up something that will never be quite what Bioware has imagine, and you will always be a little disappointed. I say keep the mystery. As much of a fan I am of Tali, part of her character is the mystery behind her image I think.

[Jebel Krong]

Sylvianus wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

1- Everything leads Tali to reveal her face.

2- Since when some fans decide to refuse a development ( That is for all ) for a reason like that. Soon they'll decide now to not allow to know more about the past of the characters because they prefer their imagination. What a joke.

This is nonsense.

yet you're still happy for a small group of fans to dictate that we have to see her face, including yourself. hmm.... <_<

The story, the background of the characters, the creations in the world of Bioware are immutable. They belong to Bioware, are developped for all, you can't ask to cut something for satisfy some.  To refuse a development here, is a nonsense.

You can't say, let my imagination in what I mentionned above,.  In this case, you must stop to play the game.

Quarians were created by Bioware,  Miranda was created by bipware. They are free to decide when they reveal things about them. And when they want, they shouldn't feel uncomfortable because some cry. especially as other are affected.

Refusing suddenly a development is something very important. This must require a valid reason.

Let my imagination for a race created by bioware. What does that mean ? Don't reveal anything about the turians for example, what does that mean, let my imagination ? Nonsense. If they are planning something, they do and that's it.

refusing to unmask/unmasking tali is not a "development" - it is neither necessary nor required for any part of the game and/or character. it is for BW to decide character development, not you.

[Notlikeyoucare]

Here's a solution: If Bioware is all about choice as they say, allow the PLAYER the oppertunity to remove her mask in game or not.

[Sylvianus]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

1- Everything leads Tali to reveal her face.

2- Since when some fans decide to refuse a development ( That is for all ) for a reason like that. Soon they'll decide now to not allow to know more about the past of the characters because they prefer their imagination. What a joke.

This is nonsense.

yet you're still happy for a small group of fans to dictate that we have to see her face, including yourself. hmm.... <_<

The story, the background of the characters, the creations in the world of Bioware are immutable. They belong to Bioware, are developped for all, you can't ask to cut something for satisfy some.  To refuse a development here, is a nonsense.

You can't say, let my imagination in what I mentionned above,.  In this case, you must stop to play the game.

Quarians were created by Bioware,  Miranda was created by bipware. They are free to decide when they reveal things about them. And when they want, they shouldn't feel uncomfortable because some cry. especially as other are affected.

Refusing suddenly a development is something very important. This must require a valid reason.

Let my imagination for a race created by bioware. What does that mean ? Don't reveal anything about the turians for example, what does that mean, let my imagination ? Nonsense. If they are planning something, they do and that's it.

refusing to unmask/unmasking tali is not a "development" - it is neither necessary nor required for any part of the game and/or character. it is for BW to decide character development, not you.

Exactly, it's Bioware to decide, not us. You finally understood.

* epic facepalm *

And you begin to be boring. Read. I do not care Tali, by cons the quarians are clearly a part of the background and if you're not smart enough to understand how it can be rewarding and interesting to learn more about them ( apprearance etc,  ), sorry for you.

Re-read everything , if you're unable to think yourself about that .

Tali  I am for to show her face however, it is not necessarily a requirement. Do you see the difference ? Do you see the subtlety? Can you understand or I must explain everything to you again ?

Everything, leads that Tali finally take the next step with her face. Due to the developement in M2, I say, show it. But I don't really care, but I understand all those who want.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 08 juillet 2011 - 11:54 .

[ThePwener]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Here's a solution: If Bioware is all about choice as they say, allow the PLAYER the oppertunity to remove her mask in game or not.

BY FORCE IF NECESSARY!!!!!!

[Notlikeyoucare]

ThePwener wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Here's a solution: If Bioware is all about choice as they say, allow the PLAYER the oppertunity to remove her mask in game or not.

BY FORCE IF NECESSARY!!!!!!

Tali: Well.... this is a very romantic setting Shepard

*begins to nervously prepare herself*

Shepard: *shakes head*

The mask, lose it.

[Majin Paul]

They should give the option to see her unmasked, if she is a possible romance and you decide to romance her, maybe that's how you see her face, if you don't romance her, you don't see her face.