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[Wojtek the Soldier Bear]

Actually, when Tali talks about the quarians needing extensive bioengineering to re-adapt to Rannoch in ME2, she, like all other quarians, are totally unaware that the geth have been "maintaining" the quarians' former homeworld in their 300 year absence. Legion states this in conversation with Shepard. The geth platforms have worked tirelessly (machines, duh) to clear rubble and toxins/chemicals/contaminants from the Morning War. The platforms don't even stay on Rannoch; they "live" in space stations orbiting Rannoch. It's possible the quarians would simply need immuno-boosters and a little bit of sticktoitiveness to live suitless on Rannoch. I think a lot of people are overlooking this.

[Tempus Frangit]

The way I see it, the unmasking of an entire species has been reduced to one character who presents a problem, simply because she has a lot of fans and is a romance option. While I understand that this might be a sensitive sort of thing because of that, I also think that we need to see what the Quarians actually look like one way or the other. Let's face it: if the Tali issue wasn't at stake here, we probably would have seen what the quarians looked like in ME2, or it would be a definite for ME3. I'd feel kinda gipped if I was prevented from getting an understanding of what the species actually looks like just because of Tali-problems. Perhaps if we visit the flotilla we can see quarian children who haven't gotten their suits yet or something. Long story short: I don't care if it's Tali, but I want to know what quarians look like.

[IamSithari]

Wojtek the Soldier Bear wrote...

Actually, when Tali talks about the quarians needing extensive bioengineering to re-adapt to Rannoch in ME2, she, like all other quarians, are totally unaware that the geth have been "maintaining" the quarians' former homeworld in their 300 year absence. Legion states this in conversation with Shepard. The geth platforms have worked tirelessly (machines, duh) to clear rubble and toxins/chemicals/contaminants from the Morning War. The platforms don't even stay on Rannoch; they "live" in space stations orbiting Rannoch. It's possible the quarians would simply need immuno-boosters and a little bit of sticktoitiveness to live suitless on Rannoch. I think a lot of people are overlooking this.

You do have a point in that regard, but the quarian see it as a after war effort to do the gene theapy and canablizing of the fleets. If only she'd take the elevator one flight up and talk to an actual geth, but it is a video game after all.

[Candidate 88766]

Wojtek the Soldier Bear wrote...

Actually, when Tali talks about the quarians needing extensive bioengineering to re-adapt to Rannoch in ME2, she, like all other quarians, are totally unaware that the geth have been "maintaining" the quarians' former homeworld in their 300 year absence. Legion states this in conversation with Shepard. The geth platforms have worked tirelessly (machines, duh) to clear rubble and toxins/chemicals/contaminants from the Morning War. The platforms don't even stay on Rannoch; they "live" in space stations orbiting Rannoch. It's possible the quarians would simply need immuno-boosters and a little bit of sticktoitiveness to live suitless on Rannoch. I think a lot of people are overlooking this.

This makes them more likely to try to take the Homeworld back. If they learn that they can re-adapt in much less time than they thought then they are more likely to want to take Rannoch back from the Geth, by force or not.

[Wojtek the Soldier Bear]

I'm in agreement with you there, Candidate. It's safe to assume that we, as Shepard, will be playing an integral part in the geth-quarian conflict in ME3. Whether it's peace talks or full-scale war, and whether it's based on our previous decisions, remains to be seen. I'm excited for ME3, no matter what happens. I still do think, and hope, that the quarians should be unmasked, Tali included. And I hope that Kal'Reegar looks like Adam Baldwin.

[arafinwe_ingalaure]

I don't mind seeing Tali's face, but the safest way is to let it to player's imagination :-)

[Wojtek the Soldier Bear]

Yeah, but safe is...boring. Safe is "too easy". Most importantly, safe is NOT Mass Effect. Bioware took a big risk launching this new IP back in 2007. Radical gameplay changes to ME2 was not the safe thing to do. Bioware doesn't tend to do things the safe way. Why do it now?

Forgive the poor analogy, but Tali is a bit like the Alfa Romeo SZ. Alfa was lauded and criticized for its looks. Some see it as unequivocally beautiful, some see it as absolutely hideous; but love it or hate it, the car enthusiast community was better off for it. The simple fact that it exists is a great thing. Sure, some extremists probably cursed Alfa to the ground simply for making it, and the schism between gearheads/petrolheads, whatever you like to call them, over its design was big; but that makes life more interesting, doesn't it?

[Wojtek the Soldier Bear]

I was operating under the assumption that Tali is only revealed if she is Shepard's LI. Sorry I did not make that clear. And people being idiotic with picture spamming...that's not Bioware's fault. That same argument can be applied to people putting up pictures of Miranda with half of her catsuit off. I didn't particularly care for Miranda, and I couldn't give a hoot about what her hooters look like. I would go so far as to say that I didn't really want to see that, but I saw pictures here anyway. You know what, though? I'm a big boy, and I handled it like one. I respect that some people wanted to romance Miranda, and see her half-naked. That's fine. Who am I to say that certain sectors of the fanbase should be robbed of content just because I don't want or care for it?

Just like nobody was forced to buy the Alfa SZ, nobody is forced to romance Tali. But because the car is out there, in the real world, other people will have to see it out on the roads. They won't see it in their garage, though. You don't wanna see Tali's face in your ME3 gaming experience? That's OK, just don't romance her. But if you're going to go out onto a social forum, with other people's opinions and pictures and whathaveyou to share, you have to be prepared to see and read things you won't want to.

If I'm rambling, sorry, it's late and I'm exhausted. Apologies to all.

[Foolsfolly]

Am I the only person who really doesn't imagine Tali's face at all?

I mean I'm curious as to her looks but I don't think about how she should look. I have a simple hope: she's not reptilian. Too many scaled aliens in Mass Effect. Other than that I've never really thought about her face.

If they show her I'll likely be fine with it (as long as she lacks scales). If they don't show it I'll probably say "Well, damn." But would not rage about it.

I was actually more looking forward to female Turians, Krogan, Vorcha, Salarians, and Batarians. Because I'm curious about that.

[Wojtek the Soldier Bear]

Well, a female krogan is definitely in the game. I think that, considering we'll be visiting Sur'Kesh and Palaven, female salarians and turians are likely. I agree that seeing the gender variations of the established races would be interesting.

[Kavain]

How Tali looks like? Hm. I'm just glad I don't have to come up with that. I could imagine though, that she has got...

-Purple skin
-brightly glowing, lidless eyes
-a cute, pointy nose
-full, black lips :>>

However she's going to look like, some people will end up disappointed. It's only natural. Because either you didn't want to see her under the mask or because you'd imagine her differently. Tali is a very credible BioWare character, I'm sure that won't change. Even if we've seen her. Or rather, even we've seen what's under that bucket of hers. Heck! I'd still like her if she were a freaking cyborg...

Modifié par Kavain, 11 juillet 2011 - 11:22 .

[88mphSlayer]

tali is actually the real shadow broker and is a scrawny, hairy italian man with a mustache underneath that suit...

[Uszi]

Either show her face...

--OR--

Don't show her face, but increase the number of "no one remembers the what the Quarians look like anymore" type jokes 100 fold.

Have a codex entry on unmasked Quarians that merely specifies "many do not know what a Quarian looks like, but they say it is the mystery that intrigues them." 

Include dozens of scenes where Tali takes the mask off facing away from the player, and have an Inception type ending for anyone who romanced Tali where she begins to take the helmet off but the end credits roll before we see anything.

If you're going to troll us, do it properly Bioware

Modifié par Uszi, 11 juillet 2011 - 02:12 .

[xentar]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

The problem with that analogy is, as you probably know yourself given the pretext you gave, that if you didn't like that car, you didn't need to drive it, much less buy it. However if they reveal Tali an inevitable amount of people who won't like her, do not have the liberty to choose. If they want to play the game, they will have to experience Tali's reveal too.
Not to mention what people WILL do if she is reveal, which is to spam the forums with pictures of her reveal just to ****** poeple off. And that is going to happen, especially after the rigig discussions that have been, currently are and will be until the release.

Wel, this isn't Galactic Civilizations 3 or something. Why is what a certain race looks like supposed to be a player's choice in the first place?

[xentar]

Kavain wrote...

How Tali looks like? Hm. I'm just glad I don't have to come up with that. I could imagine though, that she has got...

-Purple skin
-brightly glowing, lidless eyes
-a cute, pointy nose
-full, black lips :>>

Kinda funny that 2 out of 3 vague preconceptions I have about her face (I don't have an image or anything) are that her skin is not purple and her eyes don't glow.

[Kavain]

xentar wrote...

Kinda funny that 2 out of 3 vague preconceptions I have about her face (I don't have an image or anything) are that her skin is not purple and her eyes don't glow.

Don't be shy! Let us know what you've got for conceptions about her! What I wrote was how I would've designed her if I had to. How about you? Having totally no image is kinda... blank.

Modifié par Kavain, 11 juillet 2011 - 02:59 .

[xentar]

Kavain wrote...

Don't be shy! Let us know what you've got for conceptions about her! What I wrote was how I would've designed her if I had to. How about you? Having totally no image is kinda... blank.

Well, the third preconception is simply that she should have enough similarity to humans to warrant sexual attraction, but otherwise your summary is quite correct: it's blank for me. I don't have a precise visual imagination (can't even imagine a straight line when playing pool). All I can imagine is, perhaps, a skin color: gray or "protoss" yellow.

Modifié par xentar, 11 juillet 2011 - 03:26 .

[Kavain]

xentar wrote...

All I can imagine is, perhaps, a skin color: gray or "protoss" yellow.

Hm... You came up with the protoss skin and I with the glowing eyes! Sounds interesting... How about no hair? Not even eyebrows? Or would she have -- or Quarians in general -- have hair? How about cybernetics? I think we're onto s/thing here.

*pokes xentar playfully* C'mon!

Modifié par Kavain, 11 juillet 2011 - 03:58 .

[xentar]

Kavain wrote...

xentar wrote...

All I can imagine is, perhaps, a skin color: gray or "protoss" yellow.

Hm... You came up with the protoss skin and I with the glowing eyes! Sounds interesting... How about no hair? Not even eyebrows? Or would she have -- or Quarians in general -- have hair? How about cybernetics? I think we're onto s/thing here.

*pokes xentar playfully* C'mon!

As I said - blank here, and will be until official information is released. That's why I'm interested in seeng it in the first place.

And be careful of what you poke people with...

[AlexRmF]

they must reveal her face and that should've happened since ME2, for those who romanced her.
there really no reason for her face to remain secret... I mean, she can't be some ugly monster if Shepard hit on her. they will also demonstrate their creativity in creating alien civilizations

[MaaZeus]

Copy paste from my post in Escapist.

Hell yes! Seriously, there is nothing "mysterious" about Quarians looks, there is no fricking reason to keep them secret other than meta-reason about keeping players own imaginations of Tali intact. In-game lore gives me impression what Quarians look like is not further than few clicks away for the curious. There is even Alien Pr0n magazine Fornax (which you get Codex entry about) and it says it has issues that has Quarians in it. I have hard time imagining they wear Envirosuits on those. Also Quarians have been killed left and right, there is bound to be photos or medical reports around. They are definetly a reclusive race but they are not exactly Collectors.


My point is that if they keep Quarians looks secret, it only takes me away from the game. To clarify I do not give two ****s if they choose to keep exactly Tali's face secret, (maybe just dissapointed? ME2 teased me too much) just show us of SOME Quarians face damnit, male or female! I can imagine my own version from that if I so wish, as currently I have none really. Tali is my fav character due to her personality and it stays so, it is just the Quarians general looks that I am curious about, even anxiously so, and I simply refuse to take the "mystery" BS as an excuse. It makes no sense.


sorry about the strong wording, I have tendency to express my opinions in direct fashion.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

MaaZeus wrote...

...there is no fricking reason to keep them secret other than meta-reason about keeping players own imaginations of Tali intact.

Um....  you contradict yourself here.    The player's imaginations are the best reason to keep Tali masked.  I think they should keep her masked.  That way there's always the mystery.

Though, I totally agree with you that in-game, anyone who goes to NaughtyQuariansCamGirls.com knows what a Quarian looks like.

[MaaZeus]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

MaaZeus wrote...

...there is no fricking reason to keep them secret other than meta-reason about keeping players own imaginations of Tali intact.

Um....  you contradict yourself here.    The player's imaginations are the best reason to keep Tali masked.  I think they should keep her masked.  That way there's always the mystery.

Though, I totally agree with you that in-game, anyone who goes to NaughtyQuariansCamGirls.com knows what a Quarian looks like.

Not really. At the end of the post I considered the whole Mystery reason thing as BS, which I refuse to accept for myself because in my opinion it makes no sense. Mystery was fun for the first two games, but considering Quarians are just another rather ordinary race within Mass Effect universe the mystery thing starts to wear thin...


Now, I do acknowledge some people do have very strong visions of Talis looks so thats why I do bring up the option of keeping Talis face hidden but showing us some other Quarians face instead. Unless Bioware goes for some Cthulhu abomination looks, slightly altering ones own imaginations of Tali basing on those shouldnt be too hard me thinks. Hey, perhaps they do have a lot of variety within their race? But we could atleast get the basics right. Other basics than dem hips that is. I would prefer to see Tali though, give us who want to a choice to see it or not.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 13 juillet 2011 - 05:50 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

MaaZeus wrote...

Not really. At the end of the post I considered the whole Mystery reason thing as BS, which I refuse to accept for myself because in my opinion it makes no sense. Mystery was fun for the first two games, but considering Quarians are just another rather ordinary race within Mass Effect universe the mystery thing starts to wear thin...

Can totally high five you on that.  I'm the same way with the Reapers.  I want to know everything about the Reapers, thought I can live with a mystery Tali. 

Poor BioWare.  :lol:

Unless Bioware goes for some Cthulhu abomination looks, slightly altering ones own imaginations of Tali basing on those shouldnt be too hard me thinks.

Abomination-chic would be hilarious, based soley on Shepard's romance face from ME2.