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[Tommy6860]

jeweledleah wrote...

Tommy6860 wrote...

I won't dispute favoritism given to Liara, but she is immensely popular, so her taking center stage as a squad-mate and LI makes me happy. I understand ninjamancing just fine and it does apply to DA2 (I've discussed this ad-nauseam in the DA2 forums, despite the heart icons), Anders is a classic example of getting ninjamanced and whether you rival or firend your mate. Anyway, in ME1, the dialogue is pretty clear, no glitches where you can turn down Liara that I expereinced. Even then, a glitch doesn't mean she ninjamanced, it is a glitch and not part of the actual programming, so I don't see how that can be considered as such. You have to come-on her as well as Kaiden or Ash. In fact, you almost have to come-on to any of them to get the romance going. I played the PC version and the 360 version and never felt I was NM'd by any of the LIs in ME.

something not being part of the programing doesn't excuse the fact that it still exists. granted Liara is the onlysquadmate in ME1 that actualy comes with a direct "I just want to be friends" conversation option, but she still glitches sometimes. Kaidan gets "I was bored" Ash gets "you're out of line" and both lines are not exactly obvious romance enders.  All 3 of them like you by default and rather then getting them to like you, you need to turn them down.  not to mention that if you don't manage to reject the characters before Ilos - that's it. you are locked into romance.  and rejecting them at the lockers requires repeated rudeness to work.

I've never been ninjamanced in ME1, but thats' mainly because I looked up how to avoid it. in DA2... if you mean that conversation you have with anders where you get 2 heart options and one heartbreak option?  its still not a ninjamance since you actualy do get that option.  its annoying, but you are not locked into anything.  and if you mean the fact that he loves Hawke no matter what?  well so do Liara and Tali, even if you are not in romance with them.  I find Anders annoying and pitiful (sorry Ander's fans, but I prefered him as he was in DAA), but what he isn't is a ninjamancer.  its impossible to get ninjamanced in DA2.  you have to pick flirt options if you want a romance.

  It does excuse it, when you are using a glitch (your words) as a claim to being ninjamnced, it wasn't designed that way, so that wasn't a script written to make it as such.. As I said, I have played it on both platfforms and not experienced that. But, saying you know how to avoid it, dispels the fact that one can be ninjamance; it is solely the convo the PC chooses in the dialogue options.

And yes, you can avoid the heart, but Anders keeps on until (as does Fenris if you're fem) until you choose the broken heart icon. In ME, you simply choose the dialogue that leads away from romance.

[Errol Dnamyx]

Commodore Q wrote...

Kaiden and Ashley both turn their backs on Shepard on Horzian, Liara is there through thick and thin, she even saves Shepard's body

Yus, she's there for Shepard, when she orders him to hack some terminals for her. That's true love and commitment right there.

[Tommy6860]

Fiddles_stix wrote...

Liara is my favourite LI and I feel lucky that she's so central to BioWare's narrative. That does not make her the 'true' or 'canon' LI.

This^. I don't think any NPC is the one true LI for the PC, as it is entirely up to the emotional experiences of the PC as they play and get to know the characters. Liara just hit me just the right way, after I met her in ME. As far as canon, I don't think I've ever played a game (that I remember anyway) where an LI is canon in/to a game, it has always been a choice..

[Gterror]

For me Liara is very useful in combat and handling logistics, information(as Shadow Broker) and a friend for my Shepard.

[robyn278]

I'm really not a fan of the Liara romance or of her character. She's just not my cup of tea at all. It didn't help matters that I once had to be incredibly rude to her with my nice paragon Shepard to get her to back off in ME1. I was trying to stay single and it shouldn't have been as hard to do that as it was. Now when I play ME1 I tend to avoid talking to her to prevent this from happening again.

I get that some people love the Liara romance, and that's great, but it definitely isn't for me. The 'true' romance in any playthrough is simply the one you choose to pursue with your Shepard.

[Dariustwinblade]

You know you dont have to do that you can go do LotSB directly.

[SilentNukee]

She's BW's love child, which is fine for me because she's my favorite too. :3

[Finis Valorum]

Well if Kaidan isn't going to be the s/s option in me3 this will likely turn out to be true for me though I can't speak for any others. In any case even in cases when I don't romance her I do still consider her Shepards best friend, though Wrex does come in a close second for me.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

robyn278 wrote...

I'm really not a fan of the Liara romance or of her character. She's just not my cup of tea at all. It didn't help matters that I once had to be incredibly rude to her with my nice paragon Shepard to get her to back off in ME1. I was trying to stay single and it shouldn't have been as hard to do that as it was. Now when I play ME1 I tend to avoid talking to her to prevent this from happening again.

I get that some people love the Liara romance, and that's great, but it definitely isn't for me. The 'true' romance in any playthrough is simply the one you choose to pursue with your Shepard.

Strange, I always thought Kaidan (dunno about Ashley) was worse than Liara, there seems to be no polite way for Shep to say she isn't interested in Kaidan. But Liara just asks Shepard and the middle response allows Shepard to politely say she doesn't like her that way. It is a bit awkward (anyone who's had the "lets just be friends" conversation IRL will find the awkwardness familiar) but Shepard certainly isn't rude like she is with Kaidan.  

[RPGamer13]

To be honest: I only romanced Liara because she's the only option for a FemShep to get with another woman. So in a way, I feel like she was shoved down my throat. Especially since I was an Ashley hopeful back when they first released information, that was also when for the very first trailer E.G. Daily voiced Ashley (I was also hopeful that was her final voice too).

Now, I've stopped getting my hopes up. And if it doesn't change, guess it's Liara all the way.

[ReallyRue]

@RPGamer 13, same here. I romanced Liara because she was the s/s option, but Ashley's personality suited my femShep much better. Liara was far too sweet for her. 

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

robyn278 wrote...

I'm really not a fan of the Liara romance or of her character. She's just not my cup of tea at all. It didn't help matters that I once had to be incredibly rude to her with my nice paragon Shepard to get her to back off in ME1. I was trying to stay single and it shouldn't have been as hard to do that as it was. Now when I play ME1 I tend to avoid talking to her to prevent this from happening again.

I get that some people love the Liara romance, and that's great, but it definitely isn't for me. The 'true' romance in any playthrough is simply the one you choose to pursue with your Shepard.

Strange, I always thought Kaidan (dunno about Ashley) was worse than Liara, there seems to be no polite way for Shep to say she isn't interested in Kaidan. But Liara just asks Shepard and the middle response allows Shepard to politely say she doesn't like her that way. It is a bit awkward (anyone who's had the "lets just be friends" conversation IRL will find the awkwardness familiar) but Shepard certainly isn't rude like she is with Kaidan.  

Same here. Choosing the top (or even middle) options with Kaidan (and Ashley) seems to make him think Shep is interested in him, and when he asks Shep about it, the only rejection option is to basically say she was stringing him along, whereas when Liara asks, theres I want you/ I want to be friends/ I dislike you options. I thought she was just about the only character who got a decent conversation option for turning down a romance.

Modifié par ReallyRue, 04 juillet 2011 - 01:08 .

[robyn278]

ReallyRue wrote...

@RPGamer 13, same here. I romanced Liara because she was the s/s option, but Ashley's personality suited my femShep much better. Liara was far too sweet for her. 

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

robyn278 wrote...

I'm really not a fan of the Liara romance or of her character. She's just not my cup of tea at all. It didn't help matters that I once had to be incredibly rude to her with my nice paragon Shepard to get her to back off in ME1. I was trying to stay single and it shouldn't have been as hard to do that as it was. Now when I play ME1 I tend to avoid talking to her to prevent this from happening again.

I get that some people love the Liara romance, and that's great, but it definitely isn't for me. The 'true' romance in any playthrough is simply the one you choose to pursue with your Shepard.

Strange, I always thought Kaidan (dunno about Ashley) was worse than Liara, there seems to be no polite way for Shep to say she isn't interested in Kaidan. But Liara just asks Shepard and the middle response allows Shepard to politely say she doesn't like her that way. It is a bit awkward (anyone who's had the "lets just be friends" conversation IRL will find the awkwardness familiar) but Shepard certainly isn't rude like she is with Kaidan.  

Same here. Choosing the top (or even middle) options with Kaidan (and Ashley) seems to make him think Shep is interested in him, and when he asks Shep about it, the only rejection option is to basically say she was stringing him along, whereas when Liara asks, theres I want you/ I want to be friends/ I dislike you options. I thought she was just about the only character who got a decent conversation option for turning down a romance.

Hmmm. I'm not sure what I did wrong then. I'd already deactivated the Kaidan romance and then tried to do the same with Liara. Maybe I choose strange dialogue options accidentally, but my Shep basically ended up telling Liara that she was creeping her out by showing so much interest in her.

I guess I'll try to work out how to simply the select the 'let's just be friends' option next time I play.

[Nerevar-as]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

Strange, I always thought Kaidan (dunno about Ashley) was worse than Liara, there seems to be no polite way for Shep to say she isn't interested in Kaidan. But Liara just asks Shepard and the middle response allows Shepard to politely say she doesn't like her that way. It is a bit awkward (anyone who's had the "lets just be friends" conversation IRL will find the awkwardness familiar) but Shepard certainly isn't rude like she is with Kaidan.  

Did I miss something? When he asks if there´s something you can tell him it was just the tension of battle (or something like that). Shepard didn´t sound rude to me at all, and Kaidan takes rejection far better than Liara.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Did I miss something? When he asks if there´s something you can tell him it was just the tension of battle (or something like that). Shepard didn´t sound rude to me at all, and Kaidan takes rejection far better than Liara.

Maybe its worse trying to say no to Kaidan if Shep is already persuing Liara. When he asked Shep about Liara I didn't want her to lie and say there was nothing going on but the other choices were to say "mind your own business" or "I'll chat up whoever I like" and both of those comments sounded angry. Kaidan took it fine, just said he got his wires crossed but Shepard came across badly. 

[ZeroCrewX]

*facepalms for 999999999 critical damage*

[Abispa]

To me, LotSB actually saved Liara for me. I was NOT impressed with her in ME1. She seemed to cover all the action sci-fi cliches. She comes from a race of "strong" females who are sexually adventurous, BUT Shepard lucks out 'cause she's so "young" and "inexperienced" with the Earth concept of love (I can see all the wanna be Captain Kirks cream themselves). She's can be into chicks and, for the most part, she could pass as Hollywood pretty. She looks "alien" in a way that seem exotic and intriguing, not weird and unattractive, so you're not forced to learn to appreciate her "inner beauty." She's a ready made cheerleader to gaze at you lovingly with minimal effort required in role-playing; hell, you have to beat her off with a stick. Oh, and she can have your baby, even if Shepard is sterile or a woman.

Oh, and the voice acting and dialog was... less than spectacular. Her "showdown" with mom and the "touching" death scene DID bring tears to my eyes... as I was instinctively trying to end my own life with a fork to make it stop.

I found her annoying (Back off, pretty mousy Smurf octopi girl! I'm just standing here breathing! Damn!) and I avoided her in ME1 and wasn't sad that she was hardly around in ME2. I kind of like the fact that the character who spent ME1 trying to stroke my ego was suddenly telling me that she had more important things to do than following me around, like hacking terminals and killing people.

LotSB, the best part of ME2 (sad, since it was a DLC) made me appreciate the character (though, in my opinion, they just replaced the "old" Liara with a "new and improved" one). She was focusing on her own problems, she snaps at Shepard (and Shepard snaps back), she lets Shepard save his/her own ass, and she has a life that isn't a satellite of Shepard's. Even her offer of using SB resources to help Shepard came more from a common sense offer rather than part of some desire to be his/her tool. In short, she became (as best as an action RPG can allow) her own woman and didn't NEED Shepard to find a purpose in life. She would survive even if she wasn't lover, and, in my opinion, became sexier because of it.

Still not a fan of the VA, but at least the dialog was better.

[ZeroCrewX]

Abispa wrote...

To me, LotSB actually saved Liara for me. I was NOT impressed with her in ME1. She seemed to cover all the action sci-fi cliches. She comes from a race of "strong" females who are sexually adventurous, BUT Shepard lucks out 'cause she's so "young" and "inexperienced" with the Earth concept of love (I can see all the wanna be Captain Kirks cream themselves). She's can be into chicks and, for the most part, she could pass as Hollywood pretty. She looks "alien" in a way that seem exotic and intriguing, not weird and unattractive, so you're not forced to learn to appreciate her "inner beauty." She's a ready made cheerleader to gaze at you lovingly with minimal effort required in role-playing; hell, you have to beat her off with a stick. Oh, and she can have your baby, even if Shepard is sterile or a woman.

Oh, and the voice acting and dialog was... less than spectacular. Her "showdown" with mom and the "touching" death scene DID bring tears to my eyes... as I was instinctively trying to end my own life with a fork to make it stop.

I found her annoying (Back off, pretty mousy Smurf octopi girl! I'm just standing here breathing! Damn!) and I avoided her in ME1 and wasn't sad that she was hardly around in ME2. I kind of like the fact that the character who spent ME1 trying to stroke my ego was suddenly telling me that she had more important things to do than following me around, like hacking terminals and killing people.

LotSB, the best part of ME2 (sad, since it was a DLC) made me appreciate the character (though, in my opinion, they just replaced the "old" Liara with a "new and improved" one). She was focusing on her own problems, she snaps at Shepard (and Shepard snaps back), she lets Shepard save his/her own ass, and she has a life that isn't a satellite of Shepard's. Even her offer of using SB resources to help Shepard came more from a common sense offer rather than part of some desire to be his/her tool. In short, she became (as best as an action RPG can allow) her own woman and didn't NEED Shepard to find a purpose in life. She would survive even if she wasn't lover, and, in my opinion, became sexier because of it.

Still not a fan of the VA, but at least the dialog was better.

You should post this on all Liara hate threads. You literally destroyed everyone. Respect. 

[Abispa]

ZeroCrewX wrote...

You should post this on all Liara hate threads. You literally destroyed everyone. Respect. 

It was never my purpose to "hate" Liara or "destroy" anyone, but I know the limitations of using a shooter RPG as a dating simulator. Romances are like the pieces of armor you buy Shepard, they're accessories to personalize your Shepard, to take them TOO seriously and actually get upset that other people don't like your LI or that they dig one you don't like seems... stereotypically nerdy.

I happen to be an Ashley fan. Unlike Miranda, who goes from Shepard challenger to Shepard grouple in to course of, what, two mission, Ashley never gave me the feeling that she couldn't survive without being his/her tool and constantly stroking his/her ego.

Hmm, typing that, I just realized that Liara and Miranda seem to have gotten personality transplants over the course of ME2 and LotSB.

I LOVE the fact that Ashley was willing to tell Shepard to take a hike, just as I love the fact that Liara learned to tell Shepard to step back. If I expected my girlfriend to constantly fawn over me and stroke my ego like a typical Shepard LI, I would so get my ass whooped.

[Thrombin]

Abispa wrote...
I LOVE the fact that Ashley was willing to tell Shepard to take a hike, just as I love the fact that Liara learned to tell Shepard to step back. If I expected my girlfriend to constantly fawn over me and stroke my ego like a typical Shepard LI, I would so get my ass whooped.

If you were as awesome as Shepard you wouldn't need to expect it, it would just happen 

[Dariustwinblade]

There is no true romance option. Only the one you choose.


Though Liara's (post-LoTSB NOT ME1) is the best IMO.And I tried them all.

Modifié par Dariustwinblade, 26 juillet 2011 - 11:45 .

[untoldsarcasm]

Ugh. Liara is my favourite character and favourite romance in the game... but this thread is so unnecessary.

[LilyasAvalon]

There are certain romances which are pushed more than others, certainly. I always felt Liara was one of those romances, along with Jacob and Miranda in ME2. I can NEVER remember hitting on Liara ONCE in my first ME1 playthrough., but she still stalked me. >.>

Still, that doesn't make them distinctively canon. If anything, canonically, Shepard should be forever alone. .-.