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[Drone223]

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[Youknow]

Commodore Q wrote...

 So yeah, I got a comment on my youtube video ( Liara Romance scene after shadow broker) which can be found here
"It is VERY hard not to romance? liara in this series. Out of every ME love interest, she's the only one who genuinely adores Shepard and would do anything for him. Yes, Tali is cute and I realize she's the fan favourite since her awkward crush is cute, but Liara is probably the only multi-dimensional female in this series. And I personally wanna see where the relationship goes, they must face one reality: Liara will outlive Shepard. Can she handle that?" - bobizzle1605 
And I have to say I couldn't agree more, Liara seems the be the only viable Love Interest in the whole series, the one that will mean the most, especially with her making the appearance in ME2 with the Shadow Broker DLC and Kaiden and Ashley not having the same impact, Even without the DLC you still had more of an interaction with Liara. It just seems bioware really push Liara to be your romance option and like bobizzle1605 said, Its very hard not to romance her. 

It's not hard to romance Liara. I've done it at least 3 times with the Sheperds when I was going for weapon achievements in ME1. As for adoring Sheperd, everyone in this game does, so I don't see how that makes any sense. Heck, Kaidan likes you before Liara is even into the picture. If anyone's romance makes the most sense, it is his. 

Liara's seems the worst on the account of what you just said: "she'll live longer than you." Far longer. I know Asari have the whole "it's the time you spent together... Blah, blah, blah... " But come on, this is like a person that lives 1000 years or something crazy high like that. Being in a romance with Sheperd would probably be one of her many flings that she'd have with people over her years. Even if she thought Sheperd was special, she's obviously going to move on like most of the other Asari do. That just really sucks that you know your LI is going to not grow old (because when you die, they aren't old) and move on after you pass away. 

And Kaidan and Ashley did have some impact on me. I'm really looking forward to the conversation with their reunion. The longer the wait, the more it's worth it if you ask me. Save the best for last and all that. 

Not to mention that going with the outliving aspect, Jack and Thane should be good ones too. There's a good chance that Shep could outlive them as well. Didn't Jack's bio say she has neural decaying from all the experienments? If so, that could suck for Jack lovers. 

[Celtic Latino]

PMC65 wrote...

Celtic Latino wrote...

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Then LotsB came. Great DLC, no doubt about it, but again, if Shep didn't like Liara then, why is he or she going out on a limb to save her or looking upset once they "part ways"? The banter is a whole 'nother story. For a romance it'd be fine, Even for good friends. But why wasn't the general alignment and relations taken into account instead of giving a 'canon' relation with Liara.

*snip*

For me, if Shepard didn't like Liara then why on earth would (s)he even help?

"Oh, you are looking for the Shadow Broker? Oh well, I've got more important things to do."

LotSB should be bypassed really by Shepards that are not friends with Liara really since why would Shepard help her out? Shepard isn't after the Shadow Broker.

That is one of the things wrong with douche-y "options" against your own crew. If they allowed Shepard to be that kind of wanker then they should have let the characters tell him/her to frick off! 

Now that would be great!

Yes!!! When Liara went to hug my racist Renegade Sheps there should've been an option to push her away or say 'you haven't gotten that I'm *not* interested'. 

There was one thing done right in LoTSB...Liara leaving Shep behind to catch up with Tela Vasir. That's a moment I can see happening to a Renegade Shep. If Shep was really bad to her she shouldn't have even offered to have drinks with Shep on the ship. She should even be an enemy in ME3 to such a Shep (being the Shadow Broker she can be quite a formidable enemy), while Paragon/Romanced Sheps can have her as a squadmate. 

[Russ Mandarin]

I would probably be disappointed if this was the case
Liara while an important character is an utter bore
I liked LoTSB but I wasn't playing it to be hyped about the possibility to continue a romance with her.

[CrutchCricket]

On the One True Romance:

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"May I make a suggestion?"

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Modifié par CrutchCricket, 01 novembre 2011 - 11:21 .

[PMC65]

Celtic Latino wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Celtic Latino wrote...

*snip*

Then LotsB came. Great DLC, no doubt about it, but again, if Shep didn't like Liara then, why is he or she going out on a limb to save her or looking upset once they "part ways"? The banter is a whole 'nother story. For a romance it'd be fine, Even for good friends. But why wasn't the general alignment and relations taken into account instead of giving a 'canon' relation with Liara.

*snip*

For me, if Shepard didn't like Liara then why on earth would (s)he even help?

"Oh, you are looking for the Shadow Broker? Oh well, I've got more important things to do."

LotSB should be bypassed really by Shepards that are not friends with Liara really since why would Shepard help her out? Shepard isn't after the Shadow Broker.

That is one of the things wrong with douche-y "options" against your own crew. If they allowed Shepard to be that kind of wanker then they should have let the characters tell him/her to frick off! 

Now that would be great!

Yes!!! When Liara went to hug my racist Renegade Sheps there should've been an option to push her away or say 'you haven't gotten that I'm *not* interested'. 

There was one thing done right in LoTSB...Liara leaving Shep behind to catch up with Tela Vasir. That's a moment I can see happening to a Renegade Shep. If Shep was really bad to her she shouldn't have even offered to have drinks with Shep on the ship. She should even be an enemy in ME3 to such a Shep (being the Shadow Broker she can be quite a formidable enemy), while Paragon/Romanced Sheps can have her as a squadmate. 

But if Shepard couldn't stand Liara why on Earth would he help her take down the Shadow Broker? Shepard would have to at least like her to step in ... or can you think of a reason why your Shepard decided to help her?

Of course if he was a jerk to her in ME1 them it would have been funny when he did give Liara the intel she declined his help further. 

RenShepard: Here's the intel.

Liara: Thank you.

RenShepard: Should I come by your apartment and help?

Liara: I'm sorry Shepard, but we've never really gotten along. So thank you for the intel but I can do this on my own.
 
RenShepard:

 Now that would have pissed off a lot of players ...


If they give us the ability to be jerks to characters I wish that the characters could tell our Shepards "screw you" and if it gets really bad then they can even leave the team by either Shepard's choice or theirs. If you lose too many of your team the mission will suffer and even potentially fail though.

But I guess that was partly what the Suicide Mission was for.

[Golden Owl]

PMC65 wrote...


But if Shepard couldn't stand Liara why on Earth would he help her take down the Shadow Broker? Shepard would have to at least like her to step in ... or can you think of a reason why your Shepard decided to help her?

Of course if he was a jerk to her in ME1 them it would have been funny when he did give Liara the intel she declined his help further. 

RenShepard: Here's the intel.

Liara: Thank you.

RenShepard: Should I come by your apartment and help?

Liara: I'm sorry Shepard, but we've never really gotten along. So thank you for the intel but I can do this on my own.
 
RenShepard:

 Now that would have pissed off a lot of players ...


If they give us the ability to be jerks to characters I wish that the characters could tell our Shepards "screw you" and if it gets really bad then they can even leave the team by either Shepard's choice or theirs. If you lose too many of your team the mission will suffer and even potentially fail though.

But I guess that was partly what the Suicide Mission was for.

A reason for Liara hating Shep to help Liara...She's going after the Shadow Broker, the Shadow Broker in his pocket would be a huge bonus for Shep....No matter what Shep thinks of Liara...he does know she's obsessed with him and she has the intel to get to the Shadow Broker.... Shep plays along for his own potential huge gain.

I agree, I would have much preferred NPC's reacted to Sheps behaviour/treatment of them...though losing LotSB would be a 'No!'...Simple reason for Liara to take a Liara hating Sheps help, despite her personal feelings about Shep ...Shep is her best chance to get that close to the Shadow Broker....A truce for gains between them.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 02 novembre 2011 - 03:58 .

[Lady Luck]

While I do love Liara, making her some kind of canon option for romance is dumb. Perhaps to BW own canon experience Liara is the one, but this is still our game and experience.

[mineralica]

PMC65 wrote...

Celtic Latino wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

For me, if Shepard didn't like Liara then why on earth would (s)he even help?

"Oh, you are looking for the Shadow Broker? Oh well, I've got more important things to do."

LotSB should be bypassed really by Shepards that are not friends with Liara really since why would Shepard help her out? Shepard isn't after the Shadow Broker.

That is one of the things wrong with douche-y "options" against your own crew. If they allowed Shepard to be that kind of wanker then they should have let the characters tell him/her to frick off! 

Now that would be great!

Yes!!! When Liara went to hug my racist Renegade Sheps there should've been an option to push her away or say 'you haven't gotten that I'm *not* interested'. 

There was one thing done right in LoTSB...Liara leaving Shep behind to catch up with Tela Vasir. That's a moment I can see happening to a Renegade Shep. If Shep was really bad to her she shouldn't have even offered to have drinks with Shep on the ship. She should even be an enemy in ME3 to such a Shep (being the Shadow Broker she can be quite a formidable enemy), while Paragon/Romanced Sheps can have her as a squadmate. 

But if Shepard couldn't stand Liara why on Earth would he help her take down the Shadow Broker? Shepard would have to at least like her to step in ... or can you think of a reason why your Shepard decided to help her?

Of course if he was a jerk to her in ME1 them it would have been funny when he did give Liara the intel she declined his help further. 

RenShepard: Here's the intel.

Liara: Thank you.

RenShepard: Should I come by your apartment and help?

Liara: I'm sorry Shepard, but we've never really gotten along. So thank you for the intel but I can do this on my own.
 
RenShepard:

 Now that would have pissed off a lot of players ...


If they give us the ability to be jerks to characters I wish that the characters could tell our Shepards "screw you" and if it gets really bad then they can even leave the team by either Shepard's choice or theirs. If you lose too many of your team the mission will suffer and even potentially fail though.

But I guess that was partly what the Suicide Mission was for.

Since at least renegade Shepards might have another motivation to start LotSB than helping Liara. "Look, Liara, you want to get revenge and probably get your friend back? Fine, I'll help you with that, but you'll leave Shadow Broker's base to me". After all, Broker's data might be quite helpful, and some Shepards might want Cerberus/Alliance/Council to get it - ever from not wanting Liara to become ruthless broker who completely lost personal feelings or from not trusting to aliens or from doubting Liara's competence.

[Omega Torsk]

Seeing as how you can accidentally activate her romance during the first convo, I would say that she's Bioware's intended romance...

[Asari_Party]

She's my favorite character but I don't see her as the "canon" love interest. Liara's romance is just as easy to start (and end) as every other romance in the series.

[CptData]

Omega Torsk wrote...

Seeing as how you can accidentally activate her romance during the first convo, I would say that she's Bioware's intended romance...

You can "accidentally" activate Ashley's romance as well. Just pick the positive (paragon) answer and she'll smile. Keep up that course ét voilà - Ashley "feels good enough" around Shepard.
Liara isn't easier or more difficult to get or avoid than Ashley. Just don't pick the paragon option at the beginning.

I never had issues with avoiding Liara as LI, didn't even had that "catfight" in my playthroughs.

Liara got most fans I guess and BW devs seem to be Liara fans as well. At least it appears some of them like Kaidan and Ashley as well, since their characters are quite deep (even deeper than Liara imo) and interesting. Yeah - Kaidan. At first playthrough I wasn't a big fan of him but later playthroughs I started liking him and now it hurts to leave him on Virmire to save Ashley.
Whatever - Liara seems to get far more attention than any other ME character - that kinda includes Garrus and Tali, both confirmed & permanent squadmates in ALL three ME. Maybe that's one of the reasons why I am not a big fan of her - she got too much service despite the fact her character isn't that interesting. And yeah, that's just my opinion.

Modifié par CptData, 02 novembre 2011 - 05:58 .

[Omega Torsk]

CptData wrote...

Omega Torsk wrote...

Seeing as how you can accidentally activate her romance during the first convo, I would say that she's Bioware's intended romance...

You can "accidentally" activate Ashley's romance as well. Just pick the positive (paragon) answer and she'll smile. Keep up that course ét voilà - Ashley "feels good enough" around Shepard.
Liara isn't easier or more difficult to get or avoid than Ashley. Just don't pick the paragon option at the beginning.

Well... yeah. However, after the first convo with Ashley, she refers to you as "Sir," whereas Liara will refer to you as "Shepard" as opposed to "Commander" after the first convo with her (indicating an interest).

Not saying all the other romances are irrelevant. At all. Ash is my favorite romance and I'm in support of other romances in the next game. I'm just saying that Liara tends to be Bioware's favorite in terms of advertising, attention, and plot armor, so I would assume she is also their favorite romance.

[CptData]

jreezy wrote...

Why the heck is "canon" and "love interest" being used in the same sentence here? There isn't one.

I dunno. There are some things pointing towards Liara is the canon!LI. When I am talking about "canon" I mean "Bioware!canon".

- the comics. There is that comic where Liara is doing everything to get her hands on Shepard's corpse. Why not Ashley? Why not Kaidan?

- the canon!sex of Shepard. At the moment canon!Shepard is male - at least that's what I believe. Just in case BW wants to keep an option here, canon!Shepard can be both. S/he is earthborn and a soldier.

- if canon!Shepard is male, Ashley could become second "canon!LI" since when you create a new male!Shepard from scratch in ME2, Ashley is assumed to be alive. She is not your LI, but alive, so you can romance her later.

- if canon!Shepard can be male or female, only Liara can become a "canon!LI" because she can romanced by both genders. Homosexual relationships might be added in ME3 but it's not clear if you can romance any "old" characters or only special homosexual characters in ME3 (Vega?).

- ANY ME2-LI can die in the SM, so they can't be considered as "canon".

- Plot armor applies only for Liara and VS. And since Liara can be romanced by both genders AND the VS can be either Ashley or Kaidan it's most likely Liara IS BW!canon love interest.

Just some thoughts about "canon" and "love interests".


And yeah, because of that I don't romance Liara. I want Ashley. She's my "canon" LI.

[CrutchCricket]

Seriously this is still going on? There is no "canon" when it comes to Shepard. Bioware won't set it. Canon is what YOUR Shepard does because Bioware wants every player to make Shepard their own. The default images are just for marketing.

[Rune-Chan]

tomas2377 wrote...

I see Ashley as a way more multi-dimensional female character and love interest.

Due to the different choices in the Mass Effect universe you can't label one romance option as the only true one. There is no such thing.

Personaly for you maybe like Ashley is my personal only true romance option.

Agreed, While Liara could be argued to love Shepard more than the others (due to the lengths she goes to save them), that doesn't make her more of a valid romance option because ultimately it is down to Shepard (the player) to decide who they like, if anybody.

[PMC65]

CptData wrote...

- the comics. There is that comic where Liara is doing everything to get her hands on Shepard's corpse. Why not Ashley? Why not Kaidan?

It made sense to me that Liara was used in the comic since Ashley & Kaidan are dead in some games.
 
"Wait! Kaidan went after Shepard? But he died on Virmire? What the...."

I don't think that there is a canon love interest but there are central characters in the story. Some of them you will like and others you will not.