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A Prothean Squadmate That Most Could Live With? (IE- One that's not a Prothean)


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First off, this isn't an argument of whether the Prothean
DLC exists or not. For the sake of argument (and to make this post not
pointless), let's assume that it does exist.If anyone is curious why I think
it does exist, you could look here ---
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/7785343/2#7789546.



But digressing. So far all of the discussions I've seen have come down to
people who are very supportive of it or very set against it. The general arguments
for it are the chance to learn more about a culture that we know almost nothing
about or the very slim chance that we could "save" the Protheans. The
general arguments against are the improbability of a being surviving 50,000
years, even in status, and the fear of a deus ex machine solution a la Halo. I
think that both sides have valid points so I propose a third option that
hopefully will have most of the benefits without a majority of the hindrances.



I propose that the Prothean squadmate be a Prothean AI. As many people have
pointed out, it would be incredibly difficult to keep a being alive in status
for 50,000 years. It would require an immense amount of resources and as noted
in ME, the protheans had difficulty maintaining status pods for several hundred
years, much less several thousand. A machine would not have that problem. A
machine can be put into hibernation for extended periods of time with virtually
no use of resources. Given the right conditions, I see no reason a machine
could not survive several thousand years in such a state. Given that the
Protheans were technologically advanced enough to build the conduit backdoor,
it is not a great stretch to assume that they had the technology to make
advanced AI systems. (Note: I know that one technology do not necessary mean
they were that advanced in other fields, but can we at least acknowledge that
it is probable?)



Please note that everything after this is pure speculation, I am simply providing
an example of how I believe this could be done right. I imagine that a separate
group of Protheans escaped the Reapers. For the sake of argument, this group
was small enough to escape the notice of the Reapers but also too small to
maintain a variable population. Knowing this and also that any contact with the
larger galaxy would give themselves away, they decide to preserve the "essence
of the species" the best they can. They constructed an advanced AI to be
as close prothean as possible and sent their remaining year teaching it
everything they could about their people, customs, history, eat. I imagine a
mechanical body with a holograph interface overlay similar to Avina, but use
your imagination if you'd prefer some other construction. This AI would serve
to teach future races about the Protheans and warn them about the Reapers. Now
given that this is an isolated location, they would not access to any advanced
weapons or secret Reaper killing devices, hence avoiding the deus ex machine
issue. After it was completed, this machine would be put into hibernation until
a sign that the Reaper threat had passed (perhaps the signal for the sphere
found during the Firewalker mission?).



This could be handled such that Shepard finds evidence of a broadcast that
suggests there is a surviving Prothean. Searching for more information and
expecting to find a living Prothean, they go in search of it. After a long
hunt, they find the Prothean AI. This AI would be able to provide us with tons
of information about the Protheans and perhaps some things that don't work when
fighting the Reapers. Now give that Shepard is the only person in the galaxy
that speaks Prothean, with maybe the expectation of Laira, and seeing as how
said person is one of the foremost experts on the Protheans and the Reapers and
is located on the Normandy, it would make sense for the AI to go with Shepard.



Thoughts?



PS- Sorry about the wall of text. I wanted to make sure people understood what
I was saying and it got rather complicated.

Modifié par dcal31, 03 juillet 2011 - 08:27 .


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The Prothean should be a strictly biotic (or possibly tech) based squad mate. It would look pretty dumb for one of them to pick of a modern rifle and start shooting.

It could have really powerful and diverse biotic attacks, and have extremely high cooldowns.

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I'd be okay with it being some sort of clone, built from Prothean DNA. In fact, I could see Cerberus trying to make one after they learn about the Collector's origins.

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100k wrote...

The Prothean should be a strictly biotic (or possibly tech) based squad mate. It would look pretty dumb for one of them to pick of a modern rifle and start shooting.

It could have really powerful and diverse biotic attacks, and have extremely high cooldowns.


Umm, I know it's long and all, but did you read the OP? As far as I know, machines can't use biotics at all as they require a central nervious system which machines obviously lack. Also, I imagine that the concept of "point this end at the enemy and pull this little piece here to kill them" would not be that difficult to grasp for an advanced being, mechanical or otherwise.

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There is no possible way I would ever accept a Prothean squad-mate. A Prothean squad-mate is easily one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard. With the current lineup of VS, Liara, Garrus,Tali, and Vega I feel the most likely and sane addition for squadmate is only a Batarian.

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As a Liaramancer I wouldn't want anything that has anything to do with the protheans for fear of losing Liara to it. IF there were anything prothean in the game however the only thing I'd accept is an AI like the OP proposed. A living prothean having been in stasis for 50.000 years would just be unimaginable seeing as the protheans on Ilos couldn't be kept alive longer than a few 100 years.

If the prothean character were DLC I'd go as far as to not download this DLC. I DO NOT want the mystery of the protheans to be ruined by adding a living prothean to ME. That'll be all.

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Cephalopods wrote...

There is no possible way I would ever accept a Prothean squad-mate. A Prothean squad-mate is easily one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard. With the current lineup of VS, Liara, Garrus,Tali, and Vega I feel the most likely and sane addition for squadmate is only a Batarian.


This.

Not only is it the dumbest idea I have heard, but it just stinks of mental retardation by the mere suggestion.

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Find a way to revive Vigil and hook him up with EDI, along with making Joker jealous? :D 

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Add an TL;DR section to the end of the post.
Seriously - I doubt he will be of any known class. Probably, some biotic powers of the Matriarch level, such as Reave or Dominate, plus some tech powers without the use of omni-tool. Simply because there is no omni-tool compatible with the Prothean nervous system.

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Cephalopods wrote...

There is no possible way I would ever accept a Prothean squad-mate. A Prothean squad-mate is easily one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard. With the current lineup of VS, Liara, Garrus,Tali, and Vega I feel the most likely and sane addition for squadmate is only a Batarian.


I'm not trying to be insulting or start a flame war, but did you read past the first line? I was proposing a VI built by the Protheans, not an actual Prothean. Though I will second your idea of a Batarian squadmate. It would go a long way towards showing another side of the Batarians other than being the archtypical evil/incompetents of the galaxy.

Modifié par dcal31, 03 juillet 2011 - 08:14 .


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Cephalopods wrote...

There is no possible way I would ever accept a Prothean squad-mate. A Prothean squad-mate is easily one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard. With the current lineup of VS, Liara, Garrus,Tali, and Vega I feel the most likely and sane addition for squadmate is only a Batarian.

You doubt Bioware? Lol, they can turn any cliche into something head-blowing.

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FERMi27 wrote...

Add an TL;DR section to the end of the post.


I don't have any idea what that is. Sorry. Could you explain?

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dcal31 wrote...

I was proposing a VI built buy the Protheans, not an actual Prothean.

Lol what? Are they even mobile?

dcal31 wrote...

FERMi27 wrote...

Add an TL;DR section to the end of the post.


I don't have any idea what that is. Sorry. Could you explain?

Too Long; Didn't Read - for those who skip long messages to the end of the post.

Modifié par FERMi27, 03 juillet 2011 - 08:15 .


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dcal31 wrote...

FERMi27 wrote...

Add an TL;DR section to the end of the post.


I don't have any idea what that is. Sorry. Could you explain?


It stands for Too Long; Didn't Read. Basically, some people have the attention span of gnats, and can't be bothered to take a minute to read more than a single paragraph.

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FERMi27 wrote...

dcal31 wrote...

I was proposing a VI built buy the Protheans, not an actual Prothean.

Lol what? Are they even mobile?

dcal31 wrote...

FERMi27 wrote...

Add an TL;DR section to the end of the post.


I don't have any idea what that is. Sorry. Could you explain?

Too Long; Didn't Read - for those who skip long messages to the end of the post.


OK. I would question why you are commenting on something without even reading it first, but then I remembered this is the internet. And no, it's rather complicated to explain, hence the wall of text. I sent a long time trying to make it as clear as possible, and (in the politiest way possible) if you can't be bother to even read the OP, please don't post comments about how you are too lazy to read it.

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FERMi27 wrote...


Lol what? Are they even mobile?


Shadow Broker's VI drone is mobile. :whistle:

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Yeah ok man, don't wanna quote that huge post. I admit, that was too much for me, but I actually will re-read it, now entirely.

YungD815 wrote...

FERMi27 wrote...


Lol what? Are they even mobile?


Shadow Broker's VI drone is mobile. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

Applied to our subject, sounds more like an electronic Urz rather than a squaddie.

Modifié par FERMi27, 03 juillet 2011 - 08:29 .


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If your VI turns out to be a prothean drone fine (like SBs) I could see that sense we went to Illos and you could turn on prothean colossi near the glitchy warning beacon but no to a VI were it somehow anticipated everything someone would ever ask it and basically be the wiki of VIs. They did this in SGA and I hated it. Virgil was cool but look how degraded he was. I would prefer to use the prothean beacons to obtain my learning rather then interacting with a prothean or its VI or AI counterpart.

the beacons are more valuable to me.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 03 juillet 2011 - 08:29 .


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I think it would be cool to have Prothean squad mate if they can explain it. Maybe it could be part of DLC to raid a Cerberus operation where they had been working on a Collector to rewrite/repair its DNA to its original form. Sort of like a mini-Lazarus project.

Modifié par Persona RED, 03 juillet 2011 - 08:35 .


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FERMi27 wrote...

Yeah ok man, don't wanna quote that huge post. I admit, that was too much for me, but I actually will re-read it, now entirely.

YungD815 wrote...

FERMi27 wrote...


Lol what? Are they even mobile?


Shadow Broker's VI drone is mobile. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

Applied to our subject, sounds more like an electronic Urz rather than a squaddie.


Sorry, if I sounded like an a**, I just got irritated when people brought up stuff that I specificly addressed in the OP or were completely off of the subject. I appriciate the effort though. Thanks.

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Persona RED wrote...

I think it would be cool to have Prothean squad mate if they can explain it. Maybe it could be part of DLC to raid a Cerberus operation where they had been working on a Collector to rewrite/repair its DNA to its original form. Sort of like a mini-Lazarus project.


I could get behind that also if they explained it well. The OP was more aimed at the people who are dead set against an actual living Prothean being in the game.

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As a full blown squaddie? No. Nothing against the Prothies, I think we've just got too many issues trying to squeeze in all our old ones.

As a plot point/talking head? Absolutely, I'd love it.

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We learn near the end of Mass Effect 2 that a dozen or so of the best prothean scientific minds made it back to the citadel after the reapers left... Virgil did not know what became of them.

That gives many options, bioenginering, cyborg, stasis, incest.... so yeah prothean squad mate is both doable and 'fits' in with game lore.

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Vanguard Alpha wrote...

We learn near the end of Mass Effect 2 that a dozen or so of the best prothean scientific minds made it back to the citadel after the reapers left... Virgil did not know what became of them.

That gives many options, bioenginering, cyborg, stasis, incest.... so yeah prothean squad mate is both doable and 'fits' in with game lore.


Was this a joke? Because it made me lol, especially the bolded part. When was it stated that those Prothean scientists where all related? Also, that was ME1. Vigil also assumed that with the Citadel barren of necessary rescources to keep them alive, those Protheans died a slow and painful death likely from starvation.

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Sheppard-Commander wrote...

Vanguard Alpha wrote...

We learn near the end of Mass Effect 2 that a dozen or so of the best prothean scientific minds made it back to the citadel after the reapers left... Virgil did not know what became of them.

That gives many options, bioenginering, cyborg, stasis, incest.... so yeah prothean squad mate is both doable and 'fits' in with game lore.


Was this a joke? Because it made me lol, especially the bolded part. When was it stated that those Prothean scientists where all related? Also, that was ME1. Vigil also assumed that with the Citadel barren of necessary rescources to keep them alive, those Protheans died a slow and painful death likely from starvation.


Yeah, that.

Unless the Reapers for some reason left a bunch of stasis pods behind, which the asari or any other race would've most likely found when they arrived.