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[LTiberious]

http://masseffect.wi.../wiki/Klendagon

 Ok, we have the klendagon thingy. It killed a reaper 37m years ago.

For the Reapers Reap organics every 50 k years. This means there were 740 civilisations that were smart enough to find the citadel and do stuff.

So this means that none of those 740 civs couldn't do anything inside the reaper? Didnt explore it, and blady bla. 
What? Those 740 civs were THAT stupid?  Why were they reaped then?

The other question is where from did the husks come from? 'cos husks are all human and stuff, and the reapah is 37m y.o. and the dude's dead, pardon, severely handicapped , so he cant reap...

Can someone explain this to me?

[Someone With Mass]

Because the Reaper wasn't even near Klendagon, and they would need the weapon's position to project the trajectory?

[StefanBW]

The husks on the reaper was the Cerberus science crew if I'm not mistaken.

[Someone With Mass]

stefanbw wrote...

The husks on the reaper was the Cerberus science crew if I'm not mistaken.

Yep. You can even see some of them impaled on Dragon's Teeth at the altar.

[LTiberious]

Ok, pardon me, but a: there was too much husks.

And even if so, WHY DID NO ONE FIND THE REAPER?

[InvaderErl]

Space is huge, really really huge. The chances of just stumbling on one particular thing are pretty small, especially when it was next to a brown dwarf which would discourage exploration its not at all unlikely that nobody ever found the thing. Even Cerberus was only able to do so because they knew exactly what they were looking for.

LTiberious wrote...

Ok, pardon me, but a: there was too much husks.

Didn't somebody say the science team was one hundred strong at one point.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 03 juillet 2011 - 09:33 .

[Sheppard-Commander]

stefanbw wrote...

The husks on the reaper was the Cerberus science crew if I'm not mistaken.

^ This. Although there is still no explanation for why those supposed Protheans in the chairs on Ilos look identicle to Human Husks.

It's also possible that not every one of those civilizations found that Reaper,  that the ones who did knew enough about indoctrination to avoid or came to the same fate as the Cerberus team.

[AllenShepard]

The first husks Shepard saw were the ones turned on eden prime so I don't see how that's an issue. Also, it's not ridiculous to think that none of the other civilizations figured it out. We don't even know how many races were apart of each civilization. The Prothean empire was just called The Prothean Empire, we don't know if that included multiple races or just one. The current state of the galaxy could be the first time this number of intelligent races lived together and could share ideas.

EDIT: Misunderstood the husk thing. But the Cerberus science crew is accurate.

Modifié par AllenShepard, 03 juillet 2011 - 09:32 .

[this isnt my name]

LTiberious wrote...

Ok, pardon me, but a: there was too much husks.

And even if so, WHY DID NO ONE FIND THE REAPER?

Basically, everything is made convenient for shepard. Logic vanishes whenever shepard is envolved.

[Raygereio]

LTiberious wrote...
Can someone explain this to me?

Simple; every single species in the ME universe is as a whole pants-on-head retarded. This can be proven with the following example:
You find an abandond, giant, alien spacestation. What do you do?
1. Study it. Find out as much as you can about it.
2. Use it to house the center of your civilization and discourage studying the station.

Guess what the species in the ME'verse have chosen. Apparently they have a crippling lack of curiosity, or something.

Modifié par Raygereio, 03 juillet 2011 - 09:34 .

[Beerfish]

Raygereio wrote...

LTiberious wrote...
Can someone explain this to me?

Simple; every single species in the ME universe is as a whole pants-on-head retarded. This can be proven with the following example:
You find an abandond, giant, alien spacestation. What do you do?
1. Study it. Find out as much as you can about it.
2. Use it to house the center of your civilization and discourage studying the station.

Guess what the species in the ME'verse have chosen. Apparently they have a crippling lack of curiosity, or something.

I'd say that #2 happens over a long period of time.  Also the big part of the study of the citadel is the keepers who no one has ever successfully scanned until chorban comes along.  The temptation is too great to not mess with a very good thing and break it so to speak.  I don't think #2 is so far out of the realm.

[sbvera13]

#2 seems plausible to me, given that keepers explode/deactivate/whatever (it's never actually shown) when messed with, and that the citadel doesn't work without them. So you have a choice of accepting the colossally useful space station thingy in working order, or screwing with it until it doesn't work anymore just to figure it out. People would undoubtedly stuy it... governments would undoubtedly use it.

Regarding the original question, it's not impossible that it was missed, given that it's not in a Mass Relay system and even a star cluster with a nearby relay would have hundreds of systems to map. Also, even if it WAS discovered a few times, whoever explored could have been huskified/absorbed into the ship/etc, and never passed on their knowledge. A stretch, but it fits just well enough to scrape by.

[LTiberious]

Actually human history has such moments of stupidity...

Though, hey, 740 civs. 740!

Civ = All races advanced enough to live on the citadel (except fish).

[Captain Crash]

I think the whole Derelict Reaper plot was poorly explained (like a few things) and in the end you (and fans in unity) had to fill in the blanks. The reasons are there, you just need to think about it.

[Ianamus]

Maybe they did find it, and became indoctrinated. If there is a mysterious derelict ship and all people who go to it go mad then it's sensible to leave the thing alone. It's also possible that once researchers found it and became indoctrinated it alerted the Reapers that they were dangerously close to finding out about them and triggered the extinction. No other civilisation has had the benefit of knowing about the Reapers before they came and started killing everyone.

[InvaderErl]

LTiberious wrote...

Actually human history has such moments of stupidity...

Though, hey, 740 civs. 740!

Civ = All races advanced enough to live on the citadel (except fish).

Fistly, I think you're underestimating the size of space if you feel it an inevitability that people just would have been stumbling across that Reaper left and right.

Mnemosyne is by all indications a fairly average brown dwarf in a fairly unremarkable star system with no resources or sources of interest that wouldn't have provoked much in the way of exploration.

Additionally, we know the Besaral Institute of Planetary Science actually detected what was classified as a minor gravitational anomaly and passed it up for what they thought would be more promising expeditions elsewhere.

They more than justified why a single ship, largely obscured at the ass end of space would have gone unnoticed for so long.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 03 juillet 2011 - 09:59 .

[LTiberious]

Ok, they found it - they could have left something behind? SOMETHING? Or did the husks cleaned the place with brooms and mops?

o_O

[LTiberious]

Erl - people search for stuff, living creatures search for stuff - they'd stumble upon it... atleast once or twice. And when someone finds a BIG FUKKEN SHIP IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE - they explore and study it. Not just say "We have dismissed that claim"

[InvaderErl]

LTiberious wrote...

Erl - people search for stuff, living
creatures search for stuff - they'd stumble upon it... atleast once or
twice. And when someone finds a BIG FUKKEN SHIP IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE
- they explore and study it. Not just say "We have dismissed that
claim"

Except the system has nothing remarkable about it all, save for one minor anomaly that a science institute decided to ignore because it wasn't interesting enough.

You seem to forget that the Reaper doesn't just show up on sensors as the "BIG FUKKEN SHIP", it practically doesn't show up at all. Even looking for it, Cerberus had to use the Klendagon rift and the weapon's original location to plot a trajectory.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 03 juillet 2011 - 10:04 .

[Sgt Stryker]

One other thing to consider: Just because the previous civilizations were smart enough to find the Citadel, doesn't mean they had the opportunity to locate the Reaper derelict in the Thorne system. Keep in mind that Sovereign's original plan to transmit a signal to the Keepers, to open the Citadel to dark space. However, that failed because the last Protheans managed to sabotage the Keepers. This could have been decades or maybe even centuries before the events of ME1. So, we can conclude that this batch of civilizations has already had a longer grace period than the civilizations that came before. As much as some people would like for this be a plot hole, it really isn't once you give it some thought.

Also, on the husks. Yes, the Cerberus team consisted of hundreds of people. Yes, they all got huskified.

[Bluko]

The real question is: Why did the Reapers leave one of their dead lying around?

Seems like a bad way to tip people off about your existence, which the Reapers try very hard to avoid doing.

[InvaderErl]

We don't know enough about the conditions of how that Reaper died or when the weapon was fired to say either way.

Their cleanup process isn't perfect anyway as we saw in ME1.

[SandTrout]

LTiberious wrote...

Erl - people search for stuff, living creatures search for stuff - they'd stumble upon it... atleast once or twice. And when someone finds a BIG FUKKEN SHIP IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE - they explore and study it. Not just say "We have dismissed that claim"

First off, being in the 'middle of nowhere' does not increase the possiblity of something being discover, especially when it is essentially burried. Remember that you had to fly through a bunch of turbrulance of the brown dwarf before you got to the Reaper.

Second, you're really grasping at straws by assuming that every spacefairing civilisation even expanded far enough to explore that area of space, much less had enough reason to explore the brown dwarf thruroughly enough to find the Reaper. Even now, there are large portions of the Relay network that have been explored by the Citadel Species. The Relays also only connect a tiny fraction of systems.

You're trying to make a plot hole where there is none.

[yfullman]

'THE DEAD ARE USELESS'

maybe they just didn't care enough. Or maybe they know anyone who goes on will just be indoctrinated. They certainly left enough of their relics around the galaxy just waiting to be found. And every single one of these results in indoctrination

[Mir5]

LTiberious wrote...

http://masseffect.wi.../wiki/Klendagon

 Ok, we have the klendagon thingy. It killed a reaper 37m years ago.

For the Reapers Reap organics every 50 k years. This means there were 740 civilisations that were smart enough to find the citadel and do stuff.

So this means that none of those 740 civs couldn't do anything inside the reaper? Didnt explore it, and blady bla. 
What? Those 740 civs were THAT stupid?  Why were they reaped then?

The other question is where from did the husks come from? 'cos husks are all human and stuff, and the reapah is 37m y.o. and the dude's dead, pardon, severely handicapped , so he cant reap...

Can someone explain this to me?

A plothole. One of the manymanymany...