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[OH-UP-THIS!]

Well, I've yet to see anyones' interpretation of why, there's no indoctrination happening on the Citadel, afterall, it is Reaper tech.

As for the reasons behind not "studying the 'dead-reaper'", could it be because, of all the 'space-faring' races, not one of them followed the exact same exploratory routes laid out by their predecessors?

[Keedmo]

the current cycle is at least a few thousand years overdue. Thats a few thousand years to explore the galaxy and advance new tech for discoveries.

[Sgt Stryker]

InvaderErl wrote...

We don't know enough about the conditions of how that Reaper died or when the weapon was fired to say either way.

Their cleanup process isn't perfect anyway as we saw in ME1.

Probably the same reason they left behind prothean data discs on random uncharted worlds. The Reapers are neither omniscient nor omnipotent, as clearly shown over and over again throughout ME1 and ME2.

[Shotokanguy]

ohupthis wrote...

Well, I've yet to see anyones' interpretation of why, there's no indoctrination happening on the Citadel, afterall, it is Reaper tech.

We haven't seen anything other than actual Reapers indoctrinate anything yet.

I really think there's some stretching going on in this topic. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Citadel is designed to draw other species to inhabit it and provide an effective capital for them. It wouldn't be a very effective trap if it wasn't a good place to live. Mind control signals that eventually destroy organics' minds would probably drive away the newcomer species.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 04 juillet 2011 - 12:58 .

[AngelicMachinery]

InvaderErl wrote...

Space is huge, really really huge. The chances of just stumbling on one particular thing are pretty small, especially when it was next to a brown dwarf which would discourage exploration its not at all unlikely that nobody ever found the thing. Even Cerberus was only able to do so because they knew exactly what they were looking for.

Hitch Hikers Guide ftw?

[sighineedname]

Shotokanguy wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

Well, I've yet to see anyones' interpretation of why, there's no indoctrination happening on the Citadel, afterall, it is Reaper tech.

We haven't seen anything other than actual Reapers indoctrinate anything yet.

I really think there's some stretching going on in this topic. 

The Object Rho in Arrival was clearly performing indoctrination. Also, the side quest N7: Abandoned Mine also has a form of Reaper-less indoctrination.

That being said, I think if the Citadel was indoctrinating people, everyone might catch on a little too quickly.

[Davie McG]

LTiberious wrote...

Ok, pardon me, but a: there was too much husks.

And even if so, WHY DID NO ONE FIND THE REAPER?

Who's to say they didn't.

Other species could have found it over the millions of years and ended up exactly like the cerberus team, dead and husky.

Husks are not immortal. If a species happened upon that reaper millions of years ago and were made husk, those husks would be long dead.

And as others have said it's not unlikely that something like that could go undiscovered. Space is big, the clue is kinda in the name, theres lots of space for things to remain unfound in space. I mean if there was a massive tea pot lurking some where in the galaxy, and even if we knew it was a big 2km long tea pot, the chances of finding that thing in some hidden corner of the galaxy are so remote it's hardly worth looking for.

Edit: I say a 'big' 2km tea pot, 2km is like a speck of dust in space, it's hard to truly grasp just how massive space is, it's mind boggling .

Modifié par Davie McG, 04 juillet 2011 - 01:18 .

[Homey C-Dawg]

It does kinda seem like at least one of those civilizations should have noticed that huge gash in the side of Klendagon, since I imagine many of them must have charted it. Since Cerberus alone was able to plot the flight path of the round, I'm sure any entire civilization could too if they'd thought of it. Not a lot of options outside of ill-conceived writing, or lots of ancient bone-headed aliens.

Guess I'll assume the "oh well" stance on this one.

[Whatever42]

It wouldn't be that easy to plot the location of derelict Reaper. If you did track one of the many possible trajectories to that system, what would possibly convince someone to look in the low orbit of a brown dwarf? That would be like looking for wreck of the Titanic on Mars. You wouldn't even think of it unless you knew something that no one else did; something pretty far out there - like there was a race of massively powerful, eternal killer robots.

[yogolol]

The people that were sent to discover what that **** was were turned into husks and eventually died or whatever. I mean that`s what happened to the Cerberus team why wouldn`t it happen to other research teams?

[The Spamming Troll]

Bluko wrote...

The real question is: Why did the Reapers leave one of their dead lying around?

Seems like a bad way to tip people off about your existence, which the Reapers try very hard to avoid doing.

thats a good point.

what if it was a rouge reaper.

the ME franchise loves rouges.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 04 juillet 2011 - 01:46 .

[Rip504]

They may have charted the planet and system and missed it. Maybe none of those 740 civs knew about the Reapers. Seeing massive damage to the planet would cause concern and study of the planet. But it may have just remained a mystery to each of those 740 civs until the Reapers came and killed them all.

Maybe some species stayed to themselves and did not care to explore unknown space.
And even if they did find it,maybe they stayed away,could not enter,got indoctrinated,etc. It is an unsolved mystery to Shepard,as we will never know,unless the Reapers tell us their plans etc.

[Reapinger]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

Bluko wrote...

The real question is: Why did the Reapers leave one of their dead lying around?

Seems like a bad way to tip people off about your existence, which the Reapers try very hard to avoid doing.

thats a good point.

what if it was a rouge reaper.

the ME franchise loves rouges.

I feel like it was all an elaborate set-up by Cerberus. Seeing that they are now working for the reapers is another reason this is a bit more believable. 

[Tommy6860]

So what if the dead reaper is over 37m years old, the vastness of the galaxy lend to the odds of finding it to be huge.. Who knows what advanced race lived back then up to the current races. Sovereign made it clear what the Reapers do when races are allowed to advance to a certain state, so this one derelict reaper that encountered and died by a specific race, may have been a race more prevalent to that area. We know the husks are from more recent species visiting the vessel. One thing I found interesting in reading this thread, is the extinction process. 50k years is hardly enough time through any real evolutionary process for a race to evolve and advance technologically enough to spread throughout the galaxy, as was hinted the Protheans did. Had the canon been more like every 1m years would have been more plausible and the number of extinctions obviously reduced; therefor I agree with your questioning the multitude of extinctions.

Modifié par Tommy6860, 04 juillet 2011 - 02:25 .

[sbvera13]

"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space." -THHGTG, Douglas Adams.

Really, it's not that big a stretch to imagine that 740 civ's missed it. After all, the odds of finding it at all are (get ready for it)... astronomical.

[Tommy6860]

sbvera13 wrote...

"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space." -THHGTG, Douglas Adams.

Really, it's not that big a stretch to imagine that 740 civ's missed it. After all, the odds of finding it at all are (get ready for it)... astronomical.

I don't disagree with the 740 figure at all and it is possible for that number of civs to miss the Reaper. I contend the 50k year evolutioanry process where the annihilation of galactic-wide advanced races happens at those intervals; it's not even plausible.

[sbvera13]

It's plausible to me if you include the non-spacefaring life that the Reapers jsut ignore. For every advanced civ, there may be 100 or 100,000 proto-civs on an unexplored planet somewhere. So a new species doesn't have to develop every 50k years, they just have to go from stone age to space age in 50k years.  Who knows... maybe in a million years Pyjaks will be the top race

Modifié par sbvera13, 04 juillet 2011 - 02:59 .

[Balek-Vriege]

It's not a plothole. All those civilizations would have to assume the following:

3. Assumed it was firing at a ship/fleet (easy enough)
5. Assumed ship was big and strong enough to survive the shot
6. Assumed the ship could survive 50K+ years damaged.
7. Calculated where that ship would be now and how based on 2 wild assumptions I don't know

We're jumping to conclusions based off the present Galaxy's knowledge of the Reapers.

The fact is no civilization would jump to these conclusions unless they knew about the Reapers already, like TIM. He made a guess it might have been firing at a Reaper, had Cerberus study the weapon and the moon scar to find a possibly wounded Reaper's trajectory, calculated it over time, found an anomaly near a brown dwarf along said trajectory, which ended up being a dead Reaper.

The only thing that might be unlikely is that the weapon was not found before. For all we know it was and that's the reason it's now defunct (too many civs playing around with it before being reaped). Other possibilities are many civilations never opened the Klendagon system before their reap. Ones who had didn't care enough to search for a possible superweapon on the Planet, thinking it's long gone because of the scar's age. Then there's Reaper agents who might interfere with any government trying to salvage such a weapon.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 04 juillet 2011 - 03:08 .

[wizardryforever]

sbvera13 wrote...

It's plausible to me if you include the non-spacefaring life that the Reapers jsut ignore. For every advanced civ, there may be 100 or 100,000 proto-civs on an unexplored planet somewhere. So a new species doesn't have to develop every 50k years, they just have to go from stone age to space age in 50k years.  Who knows... maybe in a million years Pyjaks will be the top race

Yes, this is part of what I was going to say.  We don't actually know how long the "average" time between Reapings is.  Just because it was 50k years between this one and the previous one does not indicate anything in that regard.  For all we know, maybe the Protheans were very slow to develop, and the Reapers actually purge most species before they spread that far.  Or maybe there were extended periods where the galaxy had no intelligent life at all, and the Reapers may have had to wait 100k years, or a million.  We just don't have the data to assume that that 740 number is even remotely accurate.

Modifié par wizardryforever, 04 juillet 2011 - 03:09 .

[Someone With Mass]

I'm going with the theory that the older civilizations didn't get as much time to explore the galaxy as we did.

[Balek-Vriege]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I'm going with the theory that the older civilizations didn't get as much time to explore the galaxy as we did.

I think that's true too.  The galaxy had a couple hundred years more than it was supposed to have because of Prothean tinkering.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 04 juillet 2011 - 03:13 .

[marshalleck]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I'm going with the theory that the older civilizations didn't get as much time to explore the galaxy as we did.

I think that's true too.  The galaxy had a couple hundred years more than it was supposed to have because of Prothean tinkering.

We may have had over a thousand, actually. It's suggested that the Rachni were subjected to indoctrination and sent against the Citadel species. They may have been an early pawn of Sovereign.

[The Twilight God]

Sheppard-Commander wrote...

stefanbw wrote...

The husks on the reaper was the Cerberus science crew if I'm not mistaken.

^ This. Although there is still no explanation for why those supposed Protheans in the chairs on Ilos look identicle to Human Husks.

Those prothean statues looked nothing like a human husk.

[HTTP 404]

it always bothers me that it was every 50,000 years. For eternal living machines, thats a short time imo.

look at long living Species like the Asari who live to be 1000 years old. how long does it take for species that live that long to evolve? The math for this biology does not add up. The asari had to have been in advanced age closer to our 2011 civilaztion during the last reaper invasion. Perhaps the reapers passed them by? I refuse to believe they developed space faring and colonized half the galaxy in two Asari Generations

also another point was that the Citadel wasn't found until 48,000 years or so after the protheans?  what if 50,000 years had passed and the reapers appear and there is still no one on the Citadel?

so yah, the math makes me question the realism of the lore. but I try not to think about it.

Modifié par HTTP 404, 04 juillet 2011 - 03:50 .