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[dreman9999]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@AngelicMachinery: There's more than one way to show emotion though. Not everyone who shows their feelings has to break down into a blubbering mass (though, I'm pretty sure that's what you're getting at).

I'd have Renegade Shepard show his emotions through self-destructive behaviors - everyone has them, and people who repress them destroy themselves (hey, don't blame me - blame biology).

But still - someone who has a moment of emotional release doesn't have to be a bleeding heart softy.

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As for Bioshock - the little sisters were a HUGE part of the storyline.

In ME - having a handful of children in a cutscene get mowed down - is definitely not the same thing.

How would it not bethe same? We are at war with no place safe ageinst and enemies that will kill everyone regardless of age. The consept of indiscrimanete death in a war of extremes is one of bigest consept of ME3. The devs said themselves"Victory from great sacrific." And everyone has to sacrific.

[HawkerFury]

actualy if you remmber a teenaged (i think 16-17) was freelancing as a merc in omega.....

in israel when the leadership figured that all was lost(far from the truth) they issued commands (that where not carrid out in the end) for ages 16-17 to take up arms and you know why? because if the arabic armies had won then there would have been a genocide.

thats exactly the same, your enemy whants only your death, little kids would not serve as active combatants but they would be around, for example after earth is taken over i suspect that there will be gurrila forces operating in the country side and in ruins of cities trying to survive. and that there will be total anachy for the most part because watever parts of the alliance that could have reatreted.

people will be fighting for their lives, there will be hunger, death squads, barbarisem, orphans and simpe CHAOS.

[Sylvianus]

This is a war of survival. It's chaos, monsters everywhere in the streets. Anderson organize the resistance against a higher power and nearly invincible, that massacre everyone.

And children or adolescent couldn't hold weapons ? Children couldn't help soldiers to defend the earth ? Just to see them crying? I doubt that streets flooded, they do it. They also must fight for their survival, yes.

Morality is false. We are not talking about children in Africa who are abused because they are poor.

How it wouldn' be art if they show some cutscene like this ? Me I see a beautiful scene of unity. All humans, children or adults, men and women united in their fight for earth. Not necessarily soldiers, but civilians useful.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 juillet 2011 - 08:15 .

[HawkerFury]

lets see a kinder gaurdenr hold a missle launcher, well humanity has developed has it not ?

[Destroy Raiden_]

Wow this thread has blown up sense I've been away! I was thinking that only a CG scene showing younger kids most likely Turian children being outfitted with armor or given a weapon that implies they're going to be in the battle to defend those on the moon but when we get to the game we don't see them out on the field.

The game Velvet Assassins takes you to a n.a.z.i Ghetto during it's purge state and you hear children screaming, mass executions going on around, and you see young children clothing and dead bodies. It showed how merciless the enemy truly was to just kill not only the adults but the children as well.

We even used kids on both sides during the Civil war the youngest child wounded that we can establish via records was 9 and he was shot through the arm. The confederates took child prisoners a record of a 10 year old held in a pow camp was found.

The youngest pirate killed known to record was 10 years old.

I would say only imply that children will fight in the war maybe we see the listing of dead and children are listed on the roster something like that.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 04 juillet 2011 - 08:19 .

[slimgrin]

VegasVance wrote...
How the fawk has this not been locked?

Because you aren't moderator.

Bioware staff has always been lenient in this regard, alowing vigorous discussion on most topics. And props to them. This would have been locked after the first page over at Bethesda.

Modifié par slimgrin, 04 juillet 2011 - 08:18 .

[AngelicMachinery]

HawkerFury wrote...

lets see a kinder gaurdenr hold a missle launcher, well humanity has developed has it not ?

Wut is this I don't even.

[VegasVance]

Sylvianus wrote...
How it wouldn' be art if they show some cutscene like this ? Me I see a beautiful scene of unity. All humans, children or adults, men and women united in their fight for earth. Not necessarily soldiers, but civilians useful.

This^ I am very okay with, I am not okay with the OP's vision of every single able bodied child firing off assault rifles (uselessly) at  a Reaper just to be annihalted or husked.

[VegasVance]

slimgrin wrote...
Bioware staff has always been lenient in this regard, alowing vigorous discussion on most topics. And props to them. This would have been locked after the first page over at Bethesda.

Huh, looks like all of Bioware's "sandbox" is stuck here in the forums then.

[HawkerFury]

AngelicMachinery i mean that its simply silly to see little children having wepons, i can't imagin (but it did happen in the us i belive) a 6 yearold shooting husks with a pistol and i can't imagin a kids army or settelment like lamp light. what i am trying to say is that while kids can be used to deliver the meassage they can also be over used like in star wars episode 1-2.

its ok to see a few of them running around and some teens been blasted and shooting at somthing but overusing it will just suck.

remmber that shep is where things blow up so by the time shep arives some where its usaly population free.

[The Tookah]

I just finished watching the musical 1776. Ok, it's trite. I happen to like it. A scene near the end includes a 'supposed' dispatch from General Washington. He mentions noticing that many of his soldiers are under the age of 15. ME3 might simply have Shepard ror Anderson, or Hackett receiving or relating such a dispatch. We don't even need to see kids. However, my vision of the situation would include scared kids similar to the kid in LOTR Helm's Deep taking up a weapon, or other kids standing a lookout while behind them, smaller kids look scared. Each of these are ten seconds that would create serious emotional impact. Bioware probably already has their story board set. I have no doubt what those ten seconds would be for me.

[Medhia Nox]

@The Tookah - I think this crowd would not be satisfied with "the implication" of children at war. They want to see them doing it - it's a visual age, what are you going to do.

[ErichHartmann]

I wouldn't mind a teenage squad member aka Mission Vao but not as enemy combatants. /shrugs

Modifié par ErichHartmann, 04 juillet 2011 - 11:54 .

[Luvinn]

I don't think anyone is saying slap some armor on a 13 year old and put him on the front lines with battle hardened vets. But in an all out, no prisoners taken, extermination run by the reapers, i don't think it would be a long shot to give the older (14-17 year old) kids weapons, and have them protect the younger ones from the random husks that they may run across until help comes. To think that every kid would get out of harms way before the sh*t hits the fan is just wishful thinking. If soldiers are going to die in this fight, then the random civilians are going to die too. Bombs don't discriminate between children and soldiers.

I kind it weird to think that this wouldn't happen, or that child soldiers are a mistake of the past. Its not like this only happened hundreds of years ago. Germany had every able bodied male defend Berlin in the last days of WWII. Not to say that they were a shining example of how a country is run, but they were not a third world africian country in the midst of civil war. And this war isn't about a countries ideals. Its to fight off extermination of an entire species.

Modifié par Luvinn, 05 juillet 2011 - 01:15 .

[Medhia Nox]

So - let's have grandmas fighting. Let's strap bombs to dogs and have them running toward Husks.

I just don't see how this enhances the story.

ME has nothing to do with "the terror of wartime" - it's a space opera about an uber-badass who kicks the crap out of a super-evil.

I've never seen a video game demonize violence - that is, after all, how these games make their money.

[Ghost Warrior]

Medhia Nox wrote...

So - let's have grandmas fighting. Let's strap bombs to dogs and have them running toward Husks.

I just don't see how this enhances the story.

ME has nothing to do with "the terror of wartime" - it's a space opera about an uber-badass who kicks the crap out of a super-evil.

I've never seen a video game demonize violence - that is, after all, how these games make their money.

The dog idea is actually very good,the grandma one -lol.
And if you saw ME3 trailers and earth demo,you would see that it's very much about "the terror of crime"
Besides,doesn't anybody remember Nef,a teenager killed by Morinth?Or Gillian,a girl drugged by Cerberus? And I am sure there are more examples.Children were already hurt and killed in ME.

[flexxdk]

With all due respect... Unless BioWare is suicidal, no.

Medhia Nox wrote...

So - let's have grandmas fighting.

Kung-Fu Granny for squadmate in ME3!

And for the die-hard fans... Make her an LI! (Though the image is... disturbing and... gross... )

Modifié par Whacka, 05 juillet 2011 - 10:25 .

[Arijharn]

 As much as I'd like to see them tackle the issue in a way to show (prove) just how desperate the daily fight for survival has become in such a bleak world where everyone is trying to weather assaults from the Indoctrinated, soldiers and civilians (of all ilks) alike, they wont.

They may allude to it of course, but I highly doubt they'll go as far as showing a kid firing an avenger at some misc Indoctrinated person (even less if that Indoctrinated is also a child) even though while I think such a scenario is likely given the fact that game censorship issues are different for different countries.

While I don't think games are necessarily just for children, some countries (most notably Australia) think that at the moment they are. Or, if they are aware of just how much of a load of bollocks this is (they are), then they haven't been put into a position yet where they can make necessary legislative adjustments.

Paint me controversal if you want, but I don't view a child's life as intrinsically more valuable than anyone elses. If I was a parent, I would value my child's life as more important than my own, but this isn't the same thing I don't think.

[krzimmer]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Wow this thread has blown up sense I've been away! I was thinking that only a CG scene showing younger kids most likely Turian children being outfitted with armor or given a weapon that implies they're going to be in the battle to defend those on the moon but when we get to the game we don't see them out on the field.

The game Velvet Assassins takes you to a n.a.z.i Ghetto during it's purge state and you hear children screaming, mass executions going on around, and you see young children clothing and dead bodies. It showed how merciless the enemy truly was to just kill not only the adults but the children as well.

We even used kids on both sides during the Civil war the youngest child wounded that we can establish via records was 9 and he was shot through the arm. The confederates took child prisoners a record of a 10 year old held in a pow camp was found.

The youngest pirate killed known to record was 10 years old.

I would say only imply that children will fight in the war maybe we see the listing of dead and children are listed on the roster something like that.

This I can agree with.

It's ironic isn't it.  It starts off as a simple idea and then its gets blown way out of proportion.  This thread is like your Frankenstein kind of.  YOU'VE CREATED A MONSTER!!

[GodWood]

krzimmer wrote...
So I'm holding the gaming intustry back because I am standing on my moral convictions that child violence should not be involved in an interactive entertainment experience......  Okay.

That is correct.

"People like me" are not at all trying to "hold the gaming industry back," in fact I encourage and am excited about the advancement of the medium.  That being said, I do believe there are moral concerns to take into consideration regarding certain themes and whether they should be manifested in video games.  The video game medium is perfectly capable of blossoming while following simple moral guidlines as to what is acceptable and what isn't in an interactive entertainment experience.  I believe this stance is perfectly reasonable.

People like you are holding back the medium because you are limiting the amount of mature themes a game can have on the basis that "children play games".

Well I hope you realise children can read mature books or even 'worse' watch mature films?
Right now any child can simply be a few mouse clicks away from downloading movies such as A Serbian Film.

Does that mean you advocate the removal of any mature themes from all mediums so you can 'protect the children'?

Well I personally am of the opinion of: F*ck that.
It's the parents responsibility to dictate what their child can and cannot watch and what they can and cannot play.
Mature adults should be able to have access to mature forms of entertainment with mature, adult themes be they art, literacture, film or yes even videogames.

[GodWood]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
Who says it's about protecting the children?.

The person I responded to

First of all, children PLAY video games, even the worst of the mature rated ones these days.

Hence why I was responding to him.

[Fhaileas]

HELLS YEAAAAH!!! That would truly make ME3 EPICZ!!!11!!