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So it's the end of the world as we know it, and that usually in ancient times entailed every able bodied man and young lad would be hauled out given a weapon and told to kill things. It's happened numerous times throughout history do you think any reaper ravaged worlds will deploy this tactic using young children and teens who're capable enough to understand who is the enemy and which way the hurting end of their weapon of choice is to be placed out against the onslaught? Should BW even employ this tactic to showcase the desperate straits civilizations should be in? We wanted kids they got one in should there be more in varied roles?

Sure. would I be able to shoot them in the citadel?? ^_^ if not i would still approve. it would improve the atmosphere. children are always in war movies. they should be in games with war scenes too in my opinion.


No you can't shoot the kids! I was just watching the LOTR 2 and they were at hemls deep and they showed some 12 year olds getting outfitted but they never showed them actively in war and I thought about ME.

oh. too bad. :? I would have enjoyed that. they should put them in anyway for atmosphere purposes. maybe a video of some evacuating earth or omega or some other planet or colony. ^_^

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that's a no.
if anything like that ever shows up on a game it will be a very big mistake.
just because we are playing through a virtual war it doesn't mean it has to include the lame mistakes that humanity does in reality at the moment.
for starters having children soldiers is totally uncivilized.
secondly giving the image of children carrying guns in a GAME THAT ACTUALLY HAS GUNS is not a good idea.
thirdly, Mass Effect introduces us a humanity that is more civilized, developed, evoluted, and it just stays there as a species. In reality humanity is so unstable and f**ked up that even if we ever meet aliens, they would laugh their guts out with how our politics and civilizations work.

don't mix reality with a scifi game, its really lame when people do that.


Last time I checked on the Sci-Fi channel's coverage of ME2, one of the interviewees (if I remember right, it was Ray Muzyka that mentioned this), science fiction is supposed to represent "the hopes and fears of humanity's future with the currently relevant topics?" Was "They Live" any less of a legitimate science-fiction movie just because it's talking about the big divide with the social classes? Was Starship Troopers any less of a legitimate science-fiction story because the Federation had facism?


i get your point, but games are by default, the direct means to effect children.
movies can be best understood by adults.

you will say that children watch tv too, yes they do, but in a game you take part inside a story, you dont just watch it.
if a person has a bad taste in understanding movies, he will watch a movie and wont understand a thing.
if a person has a bad taste in understanding games, he will have a variety of feature to focus on during the game.


well thats my opinion anyway, the issue is really deep.
in the end all i can say IMO is that chidren soldies wont by a good idea.



PS: They Live was an awesome movie...!

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I say we strap as much explosives as possible to the little ones and offer them up to the Reapers as munchies.

Renegade Shep says: "Check mate, space squids."

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...I actually think that is an interesting idea if Bioware could pull it off in a mature fashion. Too many times developers have equated maturity as more sex and violence and nothing more while avoiding touchy subjects. We need more moments where you leap up from seat in horror and go "WTH have (named character) done?

Seriously, we are not a bunch of adolescent children where we go gleeful at the sight of children soldiers but we should be seen as adults as Bioware reveals the dark side of war.

War is horrifying not some clean walk with a hero always fighting the right enemy or facing the 'perfect' scenario.

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I'm glad to see a kid in game, but the idea of making them soldiers (albeit realistic in 3rd world countries) is still a Very bad idea..

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Inclusion of the kid who died in the gameplay demo for E3 was already over the top


Over the top really?  People die,  I've never understood the invincibility of children in movies and games.  While I find the idea of barbaric depictions of brutality to be a bit much in  most mediums particularly when it's simply brutatlity for brutalities sake I don't think virtual children should automatically carry around a mario star in their pocket in case things get tense.  Sure,  a childs death generally gets me a little sick to my stomach...  but eh,  if video games want to play with it's big sister film...  it needs to start acting a bit more grown up.

I do think children soldiers is just bat **** dumb...  particularly when you can clone an army of Krogan.

Modifié par AngelicMachinery, 04 juillet 2011 - 12:54 .


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I think there's some overreaction going on in this topic but yeah, it wouldn't really be necessary to show this, especially considering the enemy these children would be facing.

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No and No

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AngelicMachinery wrote...

InviolateNK wrote...

Inclusion of the kid who died in the gameplay demo for E3 was already over the top


Over the top really?  People die,  I've never understood the invincibility of children in movies and games.  While I find the idea of barbaric depictions of brutality to be a bit much in  most mediums particularly when it's simply brutatlity for brutalities sake I don't think virtual children should automatically carry around a mario star in their pocket in case things get tense.  Sure,  a childs death generally gets me a little sick to my stomach...  but eh,  if video games want to play with it's big sister film...  it needs to start acting a bit more grown up.

I do think children soldiers is just bat **** dumb...  particularly when you can clone an army of Krogan.

I don't think it's over the top at all!  I've actually have been waiting for a game to finally be a bit more realistic & bring children in the game like this.

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Why would you send the children to war? I say get them the hell of the planet.

In times of great odd, age and sex become irelivent. If a giant army is outside your city wall leaving you no where to run, would it matter if the solder beside you is a full man or a child. In the end, everyone will die horibly.  As of times now, we as a race have not seen total war to it extremes, we long stop fighting to the last man, or total destrying the enemie to the last man.
And with the Reapers, whose true intentis total destrustion, would you really snub an able body because of age when everything and everyone will die no matter were or what? Send them to space you say....I say their is not asafe place left to run. We have to fight one way or another.

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they already did..grunt's like 5months old

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As long as Micheal Jackson is'nt on the team, why not?

Seriously though, NO!

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I'd support it

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Polka14 wrote...
Inappropriate in games but perfectly ok in movies like in "enemy at the gates"??? Image IPB

why keep that atrocious double standard alive people? who cares if it isn't appropriate to some? there is nothing wrong with this media form portraying the same level of graphic violence towards children as  movies. no? Image IPB

There can't be a double standard when it comes to moral issues such as this in movies and video games because the standards are different for both mediums, and that's the way it should be. 

Concerning movies, violence against children exists, yes, but even so, usually  it is only used when the context of the story and setting permit it.  "Enemy At the Gates" is a movie centered around historical events during WWII and is meant to make us aware of stuff that actually happened in our history.  A lot of the stuff you see in that movie actually happened.  Child soldiers, that actually happended back then (and is still a major problem in the world today, just watch "Blood Diamand").  You don't see much violence against children in fictional movies, and if you do, they often have very real-world-like settings so that we understand that crap like this happens in the real world all the time.   

When it comes to video games, its a totaly different story.  First of all, children PLAY video games, even the worst of the mature rated ones these days.  I'd like to think that parents try to keep their children away from mature rated games, but we all know that, for the most part, this isn't really true.  I think most of us have been cussed out on Call of Duty of Halo online by some twelve year old at some point in time, I know I have.  Video games are interactive media and it makes it that much more personal for the player.  Sure, video games such as Mass Effect have tragic things happen in them.  It's a fictional story in a fictional universe in the future.  It's supposed to be fun and dramatic even involve tragic and even slightly disturbing elements, but there are moral boundaries that shouldn't be crossed, Violence against children being one of them.

Children are precious and innocent, and depictions of violence against them in any medium is somthing that is supposed to be REVOLTING in nature.  Something that people are shocked to see, and it should be, because it is morally wrong. It is something that shouldn't happen in our world. but does.  It is an ugly real world issue that needs to be dealt with; so don't bring it into video games, the purpose of which is our ENTERTAINMENT: that's the key word, because that's what video games are all about in the end, pure entertainment.  I don't want an issue like child violence to be used to satisfy my entertainment.  I find that revolting! Anyone who seriously says that they WANT to see this kind of thing in a video game has issues, and should take a deep introspective look at themselves. 

That's is my opinion anyway, take it or leave it.

Modifié par krzimmer, 04 juillet 2011 - 09:11 .


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krzimmer wrote...

Children are precious and innocent



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VirtualStranger wrote...

krzimmer wrote...

Children are precious and innocent


Ha, I know what you mean!   ;)

But there is a larger point I was trying to make.

Modifié par krzimmer, 04 juillet 2011 - 09:14 .


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Polka14 wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

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Sure. would I be able to shoot them in the citadel?? ^_^ if not i would still approve. it would improve the atmosphere. children are always in war movies. they should be in games with war scenes too in my opinion.


No you can't shoot the kids! 

oh. too bad. :? I would have enjoyed that.


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As to child soilders I doubt it could be implemented without the media going ape****. Looking at you Fox.

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Good Chaos7 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

InviolateNK wrote...

Inclusion of the kid who died in the gameplay demo for E3 was already over the top


Over the top really?  People die,  I've never understood the invincibility of children in movies and games.  While I find the idea of barbaric depictions of brutality to be a bit much in  most mediums particularly when it's simply brutatlity for brutalities sake I don't think virtual children should automatically carry around a mario star in their pocket in case things get tense.  Sure,  a childs death generally gets me a little sick to my stomach...  but eh,  if video games want to play with it's big sister film...  it needs to start acting a bit more grown up.

I do think children soldiers is just bat **** dumb...  particularly when you can clone an army of Krogan.

I don't think it's over the top at all!  I've actually have been waiting for a game to finally be a bit more realistic & bring children in the game like this.


Wouldn't mind it too if the game was full of realism and realistic cut-scenes. They can't even show us shirtless Shepard or Miranda without her bra, for example. Their realism needs to be balanced

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I can expect that tactic on Earth and maybe Palaven.

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Makes a little sense. Reapers are giant starships (with exception of walking nonsense), so the main factor seems to be the fleet. What exactly child soldier - let's face it, any yesterday-was-on-farm soldier - is supposed to do on a battleship? The only thing that left on ground is husks... and leaving unexperienced soldiers at ground equals increasing number of said husks.
From what I see now, the main problem for life in galaxy which isn't Shepard or his crew will be limited number of ships (conventions limiting the number of draednouts?), so all the forces will be thrown on building fleet. So I'd expect massive amount of children's labour, not children-soldiers.

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krzimmer wrote...
When it comes to video games, its a totaly different story.  First of all, children PLAY video games, even the worst of the mature rated ones these days.  I'd like to think that parents try to keep their children away from mature rated games, but we all know that, for the most part, this isn't really true.  I think most of us have been cussed out on Call of Duty of Halo online by some twelve year old at some point in time, I know I have.  Video games are interactive media and it makes it that much more personal for the player.  Sure, video games such as Mass Effect have tragic things happen in them.  It's a fictional story in a fictional universe in the future.  It's supposed to be fun and dramatic even involve tragic and even slightly disturbing elements, but there are moral boundaries that shouldn't be crossed, Violence against children being one of them.

Children are precious and innocent, and depictions of violence against them in any medium is somthing that is supposed to be REVOLTING in nature.  Something that people are shocked to see, and it should be, because it is morally wrong. It is something that shouldn't happen in our world. but does.  It is an ugly real world issue that needs to be dealt with; so don't bring it into video games, the purpose of which is our ENTERTAINMENT: that's the key word, because that's what video games are all about in the end, pure entertainment.  I don't want an issue like child violence to be used to satisfy my entertainment.  I find that revolting! Anyone who seriously says that they WANT to see this kind of thing in a video game has issues, and should take a deep introspective look at themselves. 

That's is my opinion anyway, take it or leave it.

No offense intended but IMO people like you are holding the games industry back.

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I misunderstood this topic. I thought it would be about the topic of child soldiers coming up in ME3, maybe some dirty war in the Terminus Systems or something. That would be an interesting subject to examine, and I can't think of a game that's done this yet, off the top of my head.

As it is, no. You're not going to benefit by sending every untrained Jack and Jill into war. That just results in a higher casualty count. Leave it to the professionals. Do things the WW2-era USSR way and your not going to have anyone left to rebuild.

Plus, bodies aren't worth anything unless you have the gear to give them, and ships are going to be more useful against the Reapers than ground troops are. Even then, you have to have a combat exosuit to put them in, or little Johnny Got-His-Gun won't be able to breathe, let alone fight. You can train every 18 year old ever, but without a ship or suit to put them in, you may as well deliver your kids straight to the nearest Huskification Centre.

Modifié par Vengeful Nature, 04 juillet 2011 - 10:33 .


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InviolateNK wrote...

Inclusion of the kid who died in the gameplay demo for E3 was already over the top

I take it you consider the Dead Island trailer an outrageous scandal then? :whistle:

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Ainmarh wrote...

InviolateNK wrote...

Inclusion of the kid who died in the gameplay demo for E3 was already over the top


I take it you consider the Dead Island trailer an outrageous scandal then? :whistle:


But that trailer was serious about the loss of that family. It was effective, it worked. That kid in the vent thing was pointless and trite.