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[Polka14]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...
And this is why video games will NEVER be art.    The developers will never have full disclosure to do as they please,  everything will constantly be controlled by what people "think" is right in an interactive medium.

Okay, so video games should be able to show rape, beastility, and all that sick sh*t?

And racism?

Yes if they want and think they have a market to appeal to. I'm in favor of child soldiers. all humans should be fighting the reapers and all other enemies. all humans that can carry a weapon would be needed if only to keep order while organizing resistance or retreat from Earth and human controlled colonies. there is no real reason to not show violent scenes against children.

[krzimmer]

SalsaDMA wrote...

krzimmer wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Krzimmer, you missed my edit

What's your take on the Vorcha? Did you object to them in ME2?

Oh, the Vorcha.  Yeah **** those guys!  lol.

Really though, in my mind you can't really compare them to humans.  There just ... well... different. Yeah. the way they develope, ther physiology and all that stuff. 'nough said i think.

I might call you a 'speciest' now with my tongue in cheek

I just found it interesting that Bioware have basicly already made a precedent regarding children and violence with the Vorcha, yet nobody raised a word in outrage. I guess people find it harder to be empathic towards beings they only experience on the other side of a gunpoint and in purely negative encounters.

Exactly.  pretty genius work on Bioware's part.

[Sylvianus]

Seriously ? People are afraid to see children defend their lives against a threat in the streets ? Oo

Hordes of monsters running around the streets, and they could not defend themselves with what they find on the ground?

I don't see that there's so shocking. You killed children in DA0. ( connor, the circle of ferelden etc )

You complained I hope ?

[TheKillerAngel]

I doubt many children would have the emotional fortitude necessary to be infantry, let alone the physical strength. Many men cannot do that job and plenty of them get very ****ed up because of it.

[AngelicMachinery]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...
And this is why video games will NEVER be art.    The developers will never have full disclosure to do as they please,  everything will constantly be controlled by what people "think" is right in an interactive medium.

Okay, so video games should be able to show rape, beastility, and all that sick sh*t?

And racism?

Should be able to? Yes.
Needs to? Not necesarily. It depends on the setting and to what extent it is used.

And some of the stuff you mentioned up there is already being used in games, so I fail to see your point in mentioning rape and racism in that quote.

Ignoring and trying to hide something is a greater evil than 'daring' to show its existence.

I mean shown explicitly when I meant rape. I have yet to see a game do that. I have scene games where rape is implied. Racism I am strongly against in video games. I'm not talking about aliens being racist to humans and vice versa, I mean other things.

I would never buy a game where rape was explicit,  the city elf scene particulary as a female in DAO made me a bit nauseous to be truthful,  but,  I respect the right for it to be integrated into the game.  I would have to pick and choose my games a bit more carefully,  but,  I am more than willing to do that to see video games starting to grow up. 

I just don't understand the morality constraints placed on gaming simply because it's an interactive medium and it's open to children.  While film has no interactive story it is just as freely available to children be it on TV,  The Internet,  or parents simply not censoring there children as they properly should and expecting the industry and the government to do it for them.

[C9316]

Great, give Fox news and b*tchy mothers even more ammunition against video games.

[BatmanPWNS]

Since the game ain't reality we don't need that.

[ReallyRue]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

I doubt many children would have the emotional fortitude necessary to be infantry, let alone the physical strength. Many men cannot do that job and plenty of them get very ****ed up because of it.

Wouldn't necessarily be proper military. I imagine ordinary people might just fight in disogranised groups because it's better that than die. And they'd probably be willing to have anyone help them if the situation was dire enough, including children.

[Sylvianus]

C9316 wrote...

Great, give Fox news and b*tchy mothers even more ammunition against video games.

+ 1

  video games are baaaad, video games contribute to violence, video games shouldn't seem to our world where there is racism, sexism, murder, etc etc. And so video games shouldn't exist.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 juillet 2011 - 04:07 .

[Polka14]

C9316 wrote...

Great, give Fox news and b*tchy mothers even more ammunition against video games.

all we have to do is oppose those fascists and we don't have to worry about it. i say we all support all free expression in video games. it is about artistic freedom and if people don't like the content then they don't have to buy the games!

[SalsaDMA]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...
And this is why video games will NEVER be art.    The developers will never have full disclosure to do as they please,  everything will constantly be controlled by what people "think" is right in an interactive medium.

Okay, so video games should be able to show rape, beastility, and all that sick sh*t?

And racism?

Should be able to? Yes.
Needs to? Not necesarily. It depends on the setting and to what extent it is used.

And some of the stuff you mentioned up there is already being used in games, so I fail to see your point in mentioning rape and racism in that quote.

Ignoring and trying to hide something is a greater evil than 'daring' to show its existence.

I mean shown explicitly when I meant rape. I have yet to see a game do that. I have scene games where rape is implied. Racism I am strongly against in video games. I'm not talking about aliens being racist to humans and vice versa, I mean other things.

Something tells me you won't apreciate Dragons age: Origins. Especially the Cityelf origin...

[slimgrin]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Since the game ain't reality we don't need that.

This philosophy is what kills art. Right here.

[C9316]

Sylvianus wrote...

C9316 wrote...

Great, give Fox news and b*tchy mothers even more ammunition against video games.

+ 1

  video games are baaaad, video games contribute to violence, video games shouldn't seem to our world where there is racism, sexism, murder, etc etc. And so video games shouldn't exist.

I know it sucks right? Until developers grow backbones and stop caring what ignorant douches think they'll never reach their full potential.

[Sylvianus]

That's the video games of the future.

No violence,  everyone's buddy, no one kills anyone. Video games must make happy.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 juillet 2011 - 04:12 .

[O Tucker]

NEVER!!!

[Polka14]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...
And this is why video games will NEVER be art.    The developers will never have full disclosure to do as they please,  everything will constantly be controlled by what people "think" is right in an interactive medium.

Okay, so video games should be able to show rape, beastility, and all that sick sh*t?

And racism?

Yes if they want and think they have a market to appeal to. I'm in favor of child soldiers. all humans should be fighting the reapers and all other enemies. all humans that can carry a weapon would be needed if only to keep order while organizing resistance or retreat from Earth and human controlled colonies. there is no real reason to not show violent scenes against children.

So they can make a game where play as a KKK guy killing minorities just because they think there is a market?
A rape game as well? I think they have those in Japan but Japan is ****ed up anyway.

Yes to all those ideas. it is free expression. and it is really sad to see that Japan has a stronger free expression in the video game market then the USA. <_<

[SalsaDMA]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...
And this is why video games will NEVER be art.    The developers will never have full disclosure to do as they please,  everything will constantly be controlled by what people "think" is right in an interactive medium.

Okay, so video games should be able to show rape, beastility, and all that sick sh*t?

And racism?

Yes if they want and think they have a market to appeal to. I'm in favor of child soldiers. all humans should be fighting the reapers and all other enemies. all humans that can carry a weapon would be needed if only to keep order while organizing resistance or retreat from Earth and human controlled colonies. there is no real reason to not show violent scenes against children.

So they can make a game where play as a KKK guy killing minorities just because they think there is a market?
A rape game as well? I think they have those in Japan but Japan is ****ed up anyway.

Now you're just pulling straws

[C9316]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...
And this is why video games will NEVER be art.    The developers will never have full disclosure to do as they please,  everything will constantly be controlled by what people "think" is right in an interactive medium.

Okay, so video games should be able to show rape, beastility, and all that sick sh*t?

And racism?

Yes if they want and think they have a market to appeal to. I'm in favor of child soldiers. all humans should be fighting the reapers and all other enemies. all humans that can carry a weapon would be needed if only to keep order while organizing resistance or retreat from Earth and human controlled colonies. there is no real reason to not show violent scenes against children.

So they can make a game where play as a KKK guy killing minorities just because they think there is a market?
A rape game as well? I think they have those in Japan but Japan is ****ed up anyway.

They have a manga titled The Rapeman. Friggin' trolls.

[AngelicMachinery]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...
And this is why video games will NEVER be art.    The developers will never have full disclosure to do as they please,  everything will constantly be controlled by what people "think" is right in an interactive medium.

Okay, so video games should be able to show rape, beastility, and all that sick sh*t?

And racism?

Yes if they want and think they have a market to appeal to. I'm in favor of child soldiers. all humans should be fighting the reapers and all other enemies. all humans that can carry a weapon would be needed if only to keep order while organizing resistance or retreat from Earth and human controlled colonies. there is no real reason to not show violent scenes against children.

So they can make a game where play as a KKK guy killing minorities just because they think there is a market?
A rape game as well? I think they have those in Japan but Japan is ****ed up anyway.

I think your automatically jumping to the worst extreme's possible.