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[slimgrin]

My own sensibilities are like a delicate flower, the petals unsullied by any type of controversial subject matter.

Please don't sully my petals, Bioware.

[AngelicMachinery]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...



There should be a limit to "free."

Will you at least admit that video games will never graduate to the big kid's pool because they're being controlled by the moral sensibilities of soccer moms?

[Sylvianus]

slimgrin wrote...

My own sensibilities are like a delicate flower, the petals unsullied by any type of controversial subject matter.

Please don't sully my petals, Bioware.

:lol:

[AngelicMachinery]

slimgrin wrote...

My own sensibilities are like a delicate flower, the petals unsullied by any type of controversial subject matter.

Please don't sully my petals, Bioware.

Right into the gutter I went!

[The Tookah]

Young kids would do really well as troops. They have terrific reflexes and eyesight (usually). True, kids raised on "everyone is special" might have a tougher transition. But kids are probably more resilient than their elders. I think they would be defending what they have with a passion. Who said the kids would be going up against husks and reapers. We have all seen media coverage of what happens in urban areas when the rule of law is removed. They may need to defend themselves agaiinst their own neighbors when people are preying on their own.

[Annarl]

I would imagine that the video game rating system would prevent the use of children soldiers. Not that I would want to see any myself. But their use could cause a lot of problems especially in countries with tight rating systems.

[krzimmer]

When did this become about artistic vision and freedom of expression?  We're talking about children getting killed for our entertainment, and that's supposed to be a part of of art and expression?  I'm sorry but that's sick!

[Polka14]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

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AngelicMachinery wrote...
And this is why video games will NEVER be art.    The developers will never have full disclosure to do as they please,  everything will constantly be controlled by what people "think" is right in an interactive medium.

Okay, so video games should be able to show rape, beastility, and all that sick sh*t?

And racism?

Yes if they want and think they have a market to appeal to. I'm in favor of child soldiers. all humans should be fighting the reapers and all other enemies. all humans that can carry a weapon would be needed if only to keep order while organizing resistance or retreat from Earth and human controlled colonies. there is no real reason to not show violent scenes against children.

So they can make a game where play as a KKK guy killing minorities just because they think there is a market?
A rape game as well? I think they have those in Japan but Japan is ****ed up anyway.

Yes to all those ideas. it is free expression. and it is really sad to see that Japan has a stronger free expression in the video game market then the USA. <_<

There should be a limit to "free."

limiting freedom? that isn't right. <_

i think children in me3 would be a good idea and I would support that.

[slimgrin]

krzimmer wrote...

When did this become about artistic vision and freedom of expression?  We're talking about children getting killed for our entertainment, and that's supposed to be a part of of art and expression?  I'm sorry but that's sick!

*sighs* 

Since Mass Effect employed the written word.

Do you know how many times this mantra has been leveled at literature and fine art?

[The Tookah]

I doubt anyone is advocating the deaths of children on screen for our "entertainment". However it is realistic to assume that adolescents would be fighting. I would like to see adult games made for adults, instead of games watered down because foolish parents let underage kids have the games.

[Polka14]

krzimmer wrote...

When did this become about artistic vision and freedom of expression?  We're talking about children getting killed for our entertainment, and that's supposed to be a part of of art and expression?  I'm sorry but that's sick!

not in my opinion. it would be nice to see some die in battle. it would improve the atmosphere.

[AngelicMachinery]

krzimmer wrote...

When did this become about artistic vision and freedom of expression?  We're talking about children getting killed for our entertainment, and that's supposed to be a part of of art and expression?  I'm sorry but that's sick!

The conversation occured because someone suggested that the implied death of a child in the Mass Effect Demo went to far.

[The Tookah]

Just had a thought. I think the Krogan would have a harder time than humans of seeing their children in battle. Not that each child isn't precious to humans, but the human race has not been fighting extinction.

[ladyvader]

LPPrince wrote...

Good God no.

This +100

[AngelicMachinery]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

There should be a limit to "free."

Will you at least admit that video games will never graduate to the big kid's pool because they're being controlled by the moral sensibilities of soccer moms?

Video games are already in the "big kid's pool."

Not really,  they're typically only taken seriously be people in the industry and gamers.  It needs to mature if it's ever going to be seen as anything but a children's medium even with MATURE rated games they tend to water things down simply for the sake of the children. 

[Medhia Nox]

Shoot them Reapers Billy... pretend it's a video game.

I endorse this a thousand percent! MAKE IT HAPPEN BIOWARE .

===

Wait a minute - no I don't.

Not out of some moral squeamishness... but, what would it add to the story?

[slimgrin]

The Tookah wrote...

I doubt anyone is advocating the deaths of children on screen for our "entertainment". However it is realistic to assume that adolescents would be fighting. I would like to see adult games made for adults, instead of games watered down because foolish parents let underage kids have the games.

Adolescents make up the bulk of any army. I can remember an old professor of mine arguing with his wife about this. She was aghast at the loss of young life in the War on Terror. He'd served in Vietnam, and calmly reminded her it's the young guys who do the fighting in wars. There's a reason the draft in the U.S starts at 18. They're still impressionable, able to be molded. They're still kids. 

Modifié par slimgrin, 04 juillet 2011 - 04:34 .

[ReallyRue]

krzimmer wrote...

When did this become about artistic vision and freedom of expression?  We're talking about children getting killed for our entertainment, and that's supposed to be a part of of art and expression?  I'm sorry but that's sick!

It's not about "entertainment" in terms of "ooh, watching children die is fun!". It's about adding to the emotionally impact of the game. You know the world is desperate when it's resorting to child soldiers.

I thought realism was want people wanted in games.  Perhaps I was wrong.

[Polka14]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Polka14 wrote...
limiting freedom? that isn't right. <_

i think children in me3 would be a good idea and I would support that.

US limits freedoms, too.

Limiting freedom is a good thing, because you will have people that take that freedom too far.

limiting freedom and free expression is never a good thing. it is evil. if a game is made with the option to kill children then don't play it if you don't like it. you can't "take a freedom too far". it is impossible.

[krzimmer]

Polka14 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...
And this is why video games will NEVER be art.    The developers will never have full disclosure to do as they please,  everything will constantly be controlled by what people "think" is right in an interactive medium.

Okay, so video games should be able to show rape, beastility, and all that sick sh*t?

And racism?

Yes if they want and think they have a market to appeal to. I'm in favor of child soldiers. all humans should be fighting the reapers and all other enemies. all humans that can carry a weapon would be needed if only to keep order while organizing resistance or retreat from Earth and human controlled colonies. there is no real reason to not show violent scenes against children.

So they can make a game where play as a KKK guy killing minorities just because they think there is a market?
A rape game as well? I think they have those in Japan but Japan is ****ed up anyway.

Yes to all those ideas. it is free expression. and it is really sad to see that Japan has a stronger free expression in the video game market then the USA. <_<

There should be a limit to "free."

limiting freedom? that isn't right. <_

i think children in me3 would be a good idea and I would support that. 

You are naive.  Yes, there should be a limit to the freedoms we have because when people have total freedom the lines between right and wrong become increasingly blurred, and people will begin to lose their way and turn to imorality. 

And certain people, teenagers and kids especialy, don't always have the mental capacity to judge for themselves what is acceptable.  We NEED certain restrictions.

[The Tookah]

What would it add to the story? Emotional impact.