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[AngelicMachinery]

Polka14 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Polka14 wrote...
limiting freedom? that isn't right. <_

i think children in me3 would be a good idea and I would support that.

US limits freedoms, too.

Limiting freedom is a good thing, because you will have people that take that freedom too far.

limiting freedom and free expression is never a good thing. it is evil. if a game is made with the option to kill children then don't play it if you don't like it. you can't "take a freedom too far". it is impossible.

I'm personally against the idea of whole sale slaughter myself...  and I think any game created around it would be Z grade Shlock at best.  I do want to see video games mature,  I was astounded by how relatively tame Red Dead Redemption was considering it setting.  

[Sylvianus]

Medhia Nox wrote...
Not out of some moral squeamishness... but, what would it add to the story?

There are lots of reasons. And the question is irrelevant. Rather why not ?
Limit the creativity and freedom for a specific purpose isn't desirable.

Finally the subject of children is not the real issue. The real issue is whether the fans must impose their poor morality to the game creators.

And I say no. The fans when they play like this only serve to make us create games completely void and without credibility.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 juillet 2011 - 04:37 .

[Zkyire]

krzimmer wrote...

When did this become about artistic vision and freedom of expression?  We're talking about children getting killed for our entertainment, and that's supposed to be a part of of art and expression?  I'm sorry but that's sick!

But no children are getting killed.

That's the point.

None of it is real.

[Ashathor]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

There should be a limit to "free."

Will you at least admit that video games will never graduate to the big kid's pool because they're being controlled by the moral sensibilities of soccer moms?

Video games are already in the "big kid's pool."

     Last I checked the gaming industry is still considered the thing that is destroying our childrens morals. Until it is past the point of invisible restraints by the media and people who don't know how to not buy something they don't like, then this media will never trully mature to it's full potential. Besides I don't think anyone wants to just see 100,000 kids running in front of shepard and getting ripped apart by husks (now that is brutality for the sake of brutality when you could've used less extreme means to express that),

     imo the best way to do this would be something like LOTR. But as stated earlier if you can't find a way to do something right then don't do it. The arguement that we want children to die for our entertainment is just not true. Video games have the tools to make very emotional scenes and that can enhance the experience just like if a movie or book used it.
 
     Also has anyone seen the "extra creditz" guy on the escapist? He doesn't talk about children in games (yet) but does talk about the gaming industry being a refered  to as a "childrens toy" and he makes a very good arguement on the matter of games VS other media. He also talks about all types of contraversial topics in video games. For those too lazy to search for it: http://www.escapistm...-credits?page=1

Modifié par Ashathor, 04 juillet 2011 - 04:41 .

[Polka14]

krzimmer wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...
And this is why video games will NEVER be art.    The developers will never have full disclosure to do as they please,  everything will constantly be controlled by what people "think" is right in an interactive medium.

Okay, so video games should be able to show rape, beastility, and all that sick sh*t?

And racism?

Yes if they want and think they have a market to appeal to. I'm in favor of child soldiers. all humans should be fighting the reapers and all other enemies. all humans that can carry a weapon would be needed if only to keep order while organizing resistance or retreat from Earth and human controlled colonies. there is no real reason to not show violent scenes against children.

So they can make a game where play as a KKK guy killing minorities just because they think there is a market?
A rape game as well? I think they have those in Japan but Japan is ****ed up anyway.

Yes to all those ideas. it is free expression. and it is really sad to see that Japan has a stronger free expression in the video game market then the USA. <_<

There should be a limit to "free."

limiting freedom? that isn't right. <_

i think children in me3 would be a good idea and I would support that. 

You are naive.  Yes, there should be a limit to the freedoms we have because when people have total freedom the lines between right and wrong become increasingly blurred, and people will begin to lose their way and turn to imorality. 

And certain people, teenagers and kids especialy, don't always have the mental capacity to judge for themselves what is acceptable.  We NEED certain restrictions.

NO! there are no limits to freedom and my government isn't in the business of regulating morality!!  if teenagers and kids need to have their weak minds protected then their so-called "parents" need to do it or do their responsibility now ends once they birth their spawn so now the parenting has to be done by the government and the entertainment industry?!?! you speak like someone from the 19th century.

Modifié par Polka14, 04 juillet 2011 - 04:39 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Polka14 wrote...

NO! there are no limits to freedom and my government isn't in the business of regulating morality!!  if teenagers and kids need to have their weak minds protected then their so-called "parents" need to do it or do their responsibility now ends once they birth their spawn so now the parenting has to be done by the government and the entertainment industry?!?! you speak like someone from the 19th century.

I really can't help myself...

UMADBRO?

[TheKillerAngel]

This is becoming a discussion about politics and not Mass Effect.

[Medhia Nox]

@Sylvianus - I am actually not against it, but video games are an instant gratification medium. In a book, you could explain the ramifications - the desperation - the degeneration of a society that allows children soldiers.

In a video game - people just want to get to the "pew pew". Much the same with many - not all - movies. But honestly - when was the last time "you" had Gandhi, or the Color Purple, or some other movie that doesn't center around violence on your "Top Ten Movies" list? ((They're mine - but I'm a snobby elitist - and in my country, at this stage of society - that's a bad thing.))

I don't think a video game is the medium to make this form of expression anything more than shock value commentary.

[Saberchic]

If people need to see children soldiers in ME3 in order to care, I don't know why they would even bother playing the game.

I assume that most have played ME2 and that the majority of those players have played ME1.

Are people not already emotionally invested?

[Ghost Warrior]

Maybe teens. It would probably happen in reality,so...

[a fat greek cat]

Something like this would cause a media uproar. It reminds me of how you couldn't ever kill kids in any of the Fallout games.

[dreman9999]

krzimmer wrote...

When did this become about artistic vision and freedom of expression?  We're talking about children getting killed for our entertainment, and that's supposed to be a part of of art and expression?  I'm sorry but that's sick!

Wait a second...who said anything abouthaving that for our entertaiment? If people want that, they can mode a Fallout game or play on of the older rpgs.....This is about reality. In exteme cases of war like this, thing like child soldiers happen. And what more extreme than a total alian invasion?

[krzimmer]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

krzimmer wrote...

When did this become about artistic vision and freedom of expression?  We're talking about children getting killed for our entertainment, and that's supposed to be a part of of art and expression?  I'm sorry but that's sick!

But no children are getting killed.

That's the point.

None of it is real.

Didn't I explain this to you earlier?  It's not the fact that none of it is real, its the principles behind it.  It's the depiction that counts.  It is something that happens in the real world and it is disgusting.  Don't bring it into video games, even if video games aren't real.  it is still wrong.

Seriously, of all the things you guys want to see in ME3....  Children getting killed?!  WTF!! What is wrong with you!?

[Luvinn]

If i was a under 18 teenager, and on earth during a reaper attack, i would much rather be able to use a gun to protect myself against the husks than to just depend on adult supervision to get me off the planet. People seem to think that war is a well calculated event, and that we would get a great amount of time to get all the kids out. Well guess what, when thousands of reapers are attacking the earth at once, organization goes by the wayside. There WILL be those left behind to fend for themselves. In that case, give me the short on how to use an assault rifle until more help comes for me.

That being said, i wouldn't personally be offended if they included them in game or not, but you know they wont. Fox news anyone?

Modifié par Luvinn, 04 juillet 2011 - 04:47 .

[slimgrin]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

This is becoming a discussion about politics and not Mass Effect.

Inevitable, because it is a political discussion. Happens with every topic on this site that pushes bounderies. It'll get locked.

But here's the thing: other devs in the industry really are pushing bounderies while Bioware stays safely in PG-13 territory.

Modifié par slimgrin, 04 juillet 2011 - 04:47 .

[C9316]

slimgrin wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

This is becoming a discussion about politics and not Mass Effect.

Inevitable because it is a political discussion. Happens with every topic on this site that pushes bounderies. It'll get locked.

But here's the thing: other devs in the industry really are pushing bounderies while Bioware stays safely in PG-13 territory.

This. Really Bioware, please grow a damn spine and make the games you want to make and not the games that bad mothers want to baby-sit their children with.

[Zkyire]

krzimmer wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

krzimmer wrote...

When did this become about artistic vision and freedom of expression?  We're talking about children getting killed for our entertainment, and that's supposed to be a part of of art and expression?  I'm sorry but that's sick!

But no children are getting killed.

That's the point.

None of it is real.

Didn't I explain this to you earlier?  It's not the fact that none of it is real, its the principles behind it.  It's the depiction that counts.  It is something that happens in the real world and it is disgusting.  Don't bring it into video games, even if video games aren't real.  it is still wrong.

Seriously, of all the things you guys want to see in ME3....  Children getting killed?!  WTF!! What is wrong with you!?

And I already responded to that post earlier.

Killing in general is disgusting, so where is your "moral outcry" over that?

Why is it fine to burn people to death?

Why is it fine to throw people out of windows?

Are those acts not disgusting? Yet they're in the game.

You accept that as perfectly fine. But if children are involved THEN you gain a moral compass?

Modifié par IEatWhatIPoo, 04 juillet 2011 - 04:51 .

[Luvinn]

slimgrin wrote...

But here's the thing: other devs in the industry really are pushing bounderies while Bioware stays safely in PG-13 territory.

Very true, with the exception of language, they have been conservative

[AngelicMachinery]

slimgrin wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

This is becoming a discussion about politics and not Mass Effect.

Inevitable, because it is a political discussion. Happens with every topic on this site that pushes bounderies. It'll get locked.

But here's the thing: other devs in the industry really are pushing bounderies while Bioware stays safely in PG-13 territory.

Eh bioware can stay PG-13 if they want to,  I could care less.  I think they should have the option to push comfort zones if they so desire too.  Not everything needs to be made for adults and not all good things are.  I don't need controversial content to be in a game,  but,  I don't think the potential for controversial content should be limited.

[Polka14]

krzimmer wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

krzimmer wrote...

When did this become about artistic vision and freedom of expression?  We're talking about children getting killed for our entertainment, and that's supposed to be a part of of art and expression?  I'm sorry but that's sick!

But no children are getting killed.

That's the point.

None of it is real.

Didn't I explain this to you earlier?  It's not the fact that none of it is real, its the principles behind it.  It's the depiction that counts.  It is something that happens in the real world and it is disgusting.  Don't bring it into video games, even if video games aren't real.  it is still wrong.

Seriously, of all the things you guys want to see in ME3....  Children getting killed?!  WTF!! What is wrong with you!?

what's the big deal about children getting killed? there is nothing wrong with depicting it in any form of media regardless if it is games or film or books.

[dreman9999]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Sylvianus - I am actually not against it, but video games are an instant gratification medium. In a book, you could explain the ramifications - the desperation - the degeneration of a society that allows children soldiers.

In a video game - people just want to get to the "pew pew". Much the same with many - not all - movies. But honestly - when was the last time "you" had Gandhi, or the Color Purple, or some other movie that doesn't center around violence on your "Top Ten Movies" list? ((They're mine - but I'm a snobby elitist - and in my country, at this stage of society - that's a bad thing.))

I don't think a video game is the medium to make this form of expression anything more than shock value commentary.

Books can be for instant gradification as well, and many movies go to the extreme with this as well. In time of extrem war, everyone is a casualty no matter age. The game is not asking you to kill them, it just show how bad the war is.
Are we really saying that tranformers:dark moon can have can have child death, but a more mature title like ME3 can't?