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[DRTJR]

Fenris at the pride demon, I kill Anders everytime so him?

[Criosdan]

Fenris and Sebastian. Fenris and Hawke don't like each other, so no loss. Sebastian freakes totally out when Hawke won't kill Anders. (I really wish, I could slap him there...) All the others are true friends and and stand beside me at the final battle.

[Northern Sun]

Fenris once. It was pretty cool when he KO'd my Hawke and LI!Merrill ran up and beat him to death with her staff.

[nuclearpengu1nn]

I'm suprised no one said Sebastian have you guys not forgotten if you chose not to kill Anders he says he'll raise an army and wage war on Kirkwall or you i cant remember, ungrateful a**hole after i've avenged his family and got him his grandfathers bow thats how he repays me?! what a tool!!!

[Ryzaki]

Sshodan wrote...

Fenris. If you treat him in a friendly manner but help mages he turns on you in the end, which feels like a betrayal to me after all the quests you do for him, all that comforting and protecting him from his former master... If that is not a betrayal than I don't know what is.

He only turns on you if his rivalry/friendship isn't high enough. 

[Huntress]

Sebastian.. what a whinner, why are we allow to kill Anders, fenris, siblings, merril but not Sebastian?

Really you can kill hawke brother or sister but not that whinner!!!...I don't get it.

[LadyJaneGrey]

Northern Sun wrote...

Fenris once. It was pretty cool when he KO'd my Hawke and LI!Merrill ran up and beat him to death with her staff.

That's a pretty awesome mental picture.

My first playthrough?  No one left.  Hawke was just too darn persuasive.

[Cutlass Jack]

In my first playthrough, just Fenris left. But when time came to fight him, I waggled my eyebrows and pointed out that our side was more fun. He agreed and rejoined as Meredith said "Meh, whatever."

The dialogue for that made him running off for a bit worth it.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 11 juillet 2011 - 09:20 .

[happy_daiz]

I've never had anyone leave or betray any of my Hawkes except Sebastian (or Anders, if by "leave", you mean Hawke murder-knifing him). I always get 100% friendship or rivalry with all companions; less complicated that way.  

[_Aine_]

Isabella because she was messed up so I had to leave her at home. I finally used her and she left me. *sniff* Everyone else was swayed by arguments, so even if they disliked me moderately, I could keep them. I did a specific playthrough to exact revenge on Isabella, but she won me over and became my Hawke's best friend. She is one of my favorites now. =)

[happy_daiz]

You know, I forgot about Isabela. Duh. She didn't come back in one of my playthroughs, the tart! I stupidly told her she could take the tome, because it had worked fine before, but I don't think I had her friendship even close to maxed in that playthrough. Now I always max out her friendship and tell her to give it back to the Qunari.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 11 juillet 2011 - 10:01 .

[Knight of Dane]

GreyWarden36 wrote...

I'm suprised no one said Sebastian have you guys not forgotten if you chose not to kill Anders he says he'll raise an army and wage war on Kirkwall or you i cant remember, ungrateful a**hole after i've avenged his family and got him his grandfathers bow thats how he repays me?! what a tool!!!

Because Sebastian can't betray you, you can betray him, it's as simple as that.

Huntress wrote...

Sebastian.. what a whinner, why are we allow to kill Anders, fenris, siblings, merril but not Sebastian?

Really you can kill hawke brother or sister but not that whinner!!!...I don't get it.

And i suppose if someone blew up your home with your entire family and all your belongins inside you would just give the one responsible a handshake and a backpat?

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 11 juillet 2011 - 10:28 .

[Masako52]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Because Sebastian can't betray you, you can betray him, it's as simple as that.

Umm... no. Sebastian arguably betrays you MOST OF ALL. If you don't kill your companion in revenge, he threatens to TAKE AN ARMY AND LEVEL KIRKWALL TO THE GROUND. As in, destroy everyone and everything in revenge! After you spend a decade trying to save Kirkwall? To claim that's not betrayal is ridiculous. Period. He betrays you because he doesn't get the vengeance that he wants - even after Elthina's death, he doesn't honor her lesson to him about revenge and murder never being acceptable.

It's Sebastian's character. When it comes down to it, Sebastian is a killer, and he never realizes the lesson of mercy that Elthina was trying to teach him.

[Knight of Dane]

Masako52 wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

Because Sebastian can't betray you, you can betray him, it's as simple as that.

Umm... no. Sebastian arguably betrays you MOST OF ALL. If you don't kill your companion in revenge, he threatens to TAKE AN ARMY AND LEVEL KIRKWALL TO THE GROUND. As in, destroy everyone and everything in revenge! After you spend a decade trying to save Kirkwall? To claim that's not betrayal is ridiculous. Period. He betrays you because he doesn't get the vengeance that he wants - even after Elthina's death, he doesn't honor her lesson to him about revenge and murder never being acceptable.

It's Sebastian's character. When it comes down to it, Sebastian is a killer, and he never realizes the lesson of mercy that Elthina was trying to teach him.

That is because Hawke and Sebastian's entire relationship is based on hawke learning Sebastian that killing need not be evil.
On the friendship path Hawke teaches Sebastian that killing for the right cause is ok and that he just have to repend, that is his burden. As a rival Hawke teaches Sebastian that it is the ends that justify the means and that it need not be a burden at all.
When you don't ensure the danger Anders is, is dealt with he you basically go against everything Hawke is to him and Sebastian rightfully declares that he will do what is necessary to deal "with the mages"
We have discussed the first part before, and while i do agree that he overreacts given the situation i cannot call that a betrayal, otherwise Hawke would be asking Sebastian to betray everything he is.

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 12 juillet 2011 - 05:41 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

As far as the decision to save/kill the mages went nobody betrayed me on my team. But Isabella betrayed me at the end of Act 2 and Anders destruction of the chantry was a pretty huge betrayal for that Hawke. So he got executed. So Isabella and Anders on my first run.


On my second run Isabella was loyal but Fenris turned on me when I decided to side with the mages but changed his mind and joined me again shortly afterward.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 20 juillet 2011 - 09:33 .

[RampantAndroid]

Huntress wrote...

Sebastian.. what a whinner, why are we allow to kill Anders, fenris, siblings, merril but not Sebastian?

Really you can kill hawke brother or sister but not that whinner!!!...I don't get it.

This. I honestly got pissed off when I took the quest to talk to Leliana from the Grand Cleric and in the process got +25 friendship. I honestly look for ways just to ****** him off...but I also hate people blindly following religion. And people who whine too much.

I've not finished my first playthrough yet, but so far I've maxed everyone out except Fenris (probably at +75) Merrill (at +99 or something...) and Sebastion, who I can't seem to ****** off enough. Probably because I refuse to take him in my party because that might mean listening to him.

I don't get it though: in DAO and in ME1...no character did I hate. In DA2 and ME2...there are characters I loathe. In ME2, it's Jack who I want to engineer her death. In DA2, it's carver or sebastion...

[Walrusninja]

Fenris, aw well, less emo elves is no bad thing, at least Merrill is fine, and stupid Anders! I stabbed both to death happily.

[Knight of Dane]

RampantAndroid wrote...

Huntress wrote...

Sebastian.. what a whinner, why are we allow to kill Anders, fenris, siblings, merril but not Sebastian?

Really you can kill hawke brother or sister but not that whinner!!!...I don't get it.

This. I honestly got pissed off when I took the quest to talk to Leliana from the Grand Cleric and in the process got +25 friendship. I honestly look for ways just to ****** him off...but I also hate people blindly following religion. And people who whine too much.

I've not finished my first playthrough yet, but so far I've maxed everyone out except Fenris (probably at +75) Merrill (at +99 or something...) and Sebastion, who I can't seem to ****** off enough. Probably because I refuse to take him in my party because that might mean listening to him.

I don't get it though: in DAO and in ME1...no character did I hate. In DA2 and ME2...there are characters I loathe. In ME2, it's Jack who I want to engineer her death. In DA2, it's carver or sebastion...

Ah, it must be lovely to sit next to you in the cinema, you're so full of love.

The reason why you dislike hate those characters are probably because all the characters in DA2 are much more extreme than those in DA:O.

[Mixtos]

During Act 2, Isabela took off and didn't return. I pretty much left her in the Hanged Man and as a result, I didn't get too far along the rivalry path with her.

At the climax of Act 3, Fenris turned on me. Later on in the quest I bump into him and a squad of Templars. So we ended up battling. "Fine by me." I thought, as I wasn't a fan of Fenris in my first playthrough. However, it was strange; he fell within a few seconds and then I just marched on as if he is a random mook. Felt like a bit of a cruel end for him, really.

Modifié par Mixtos, 20 juillet 2011 - 09:45 .

[PnXMarcin1PL]

damn i shouldnt have looked into thst thread... im on act 2 now (sry for off topic)

Modifié par PnXMarcin1PL, 20 juillet 2011 - 10:01 .

[RampantAndroid]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Ah, it must be lovely to sit next to you in the cinema, you're so full of love.

The reason why you dislike hate those characters are probably because all the characters in DA2 are much more extreme than those in DA:O.

Huh?

No. I dislike them, and in part I get annoyed by DA2 because it keeps saying "DID YOU REMEMBER THAT THIS GAME IS ALL ABOUT MAGES AND HOW WE HATE THEM?" with people like Sebastion being one of the....most useless characters. But the whole idea of the chantry in the DA universe..well, in real life I find thinks like the catholic church uselss. And the Chantry just feels like that. I could go into it, but I'm truly not interested in a religious debate on these forums.

And Jack? She's just a crazy bi*(& full of nothing but vitriol. 

[Knight of Dane]

RampantAndroid wrote...
Huh?

No. I dislike them, and in part I get annoyed by DA2 because it keeps saying "DID YOU REMEMBER THAT THIS GAME IS ALL ABOUT MAGES AND HOW WE HATE THEM?" with people like Sebastion being one of the....most useless characters. But the whole idea of the chantry in the DA universe..well, in real life I find thinks like the catholic church uselss. And the Chantry just feels like that. I could go into it, but I'm truly not interested in a religious debate on these forums.

And Jack? She's just a crazy bi*(& full of nothing but vitriol. 

We don't have to start a religious debate, i agree that it is useless, however i know alot of people who finds peace in religion and does so peacefully, the right to decide what you beleive in is something i fully support.
And i don't think Sebastian directly spreads hate against mages at any point, he does suggest delivering Merrill and Anders to the templars to Fenris, but if he outrightly hated them he would just do it without discussing it. In reality i actually think that banter is more about Sebastian getting to know how far Fenris wants to go rather than actually doing it.
He agrees to what the circle officially stands for, control and safety. He argues that no one is ever free with ANders which i think is a bit naive, but he doesn't say that mages should be in the circle just to keep them, but to keep them safe from others and themselves.

The issue with the circle is that it is forced on the mages, a wise man once said "If you trade your freedom for safety you will loose both" and this is the case of the circle, something Sebastian does not recognize.

But disliking him because he dislikes mages in general is not possible for he does not.

[RampantAndroid]

Knight of Dane wrote...

The issue with the circle is that it is forced on the mages, a wise man once said "If you trade your freedom for safety you will loose both" and this is the case of the circle, something Sebastian does not recognize.

But disliking him because he dislikes mages in general is not possible for he does not.

You mean "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759

As far as Sebastion, you get rivalry points generally for supporting mages, yes?

[Knight of Dane]

RampantAndroid wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

The issue with the circle is that it is forced on the mages, a wise man once said "If you trade your freedom for safety you will loose both" and this is the case of the circle, something Sebastian does not recognize.

But disliking him because he dislikes mages in general is not possible for he does not.

You mean "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759

As far as Sebastion, you get rivalry points generally for supporting mages, yes?

No i didn't mean him, the quote i have is from a greek philosopher, i don't remember which. BF probably stole it from him

You get rivalry points for going against the chantry's laws mainly.
Going into the fade, dealing with demons yourself. And such.

He gets friendship points if you stand up against justice when he's about to kill Ella(i think her name is), if he really hated mages he wouldn't mind Anders killing Ella, that would provide one dead apostate and proof that Janders is insane(posessed).

[Dante Angelo]

Sebastian betrayed me after I spared Anders.Although I didn't notice that he had left until the last few minutes of the game.Although Fenris sorta betrayed me in my first playthrough but then he decided that he wanted to be on team again probably because he realized how bossy meredeth was