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[Spiratic]

[quote]Someone With Mass wrote...

[quote]Spiratic wrote...

On that note: why is everyone complaining saying well Kaiden is wearing heavy armor, that makes no sense he's a biotic! When actually Kaiden is wearing medium armor, which does make sense for a Biotic, especially since you have Shep and Vasir off the top of my head as biotics with Medium armor...[/quote]

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Kaidan is a Sentinel. It makes sense that he's well-armored, because Sentinels are the tanks. 

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If we go off me1's combat system then the criticism fits. Unfortunately me1 is irrelevant combat wise, so we have to go by me2's system where sentinels are....... you guessed it tanks! Even more so then Soldier Shep, especially when you factor in that tanks aren't supposed to be high dps machines in rpg's.

[Patchwork]

5 actually, Saren, Nilhas, Vasir, Kaidan and Ashley.
6 if we count Shepard who as of ME2 can only wear medium/heavy armour.

The Asari was wearing more armour than Ashley. THE ASARI!

[Sylvianus]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Spiratic wrote...

On that note: why is everyone complaining saying well Kaiden is wearing heavy armor, that makes no sense he's a biotic! When actually Kaiden is wearing medium armor, which does make sense for a Biotic, especially since you have Shep and Vasir off the top of my head as biotics with Medium armor...

Kaidan is a Sentinel. It makes sense that he's well-armored, because Sentinels are the tanks.

Sentinels aren't the tanks, that's not their definition in M1 in any case.

A sentinel is especially someone Polivalente. Able to use technology and biotic powers. His defense is in the shields ( so no need heavy armor ) , while his  effectiveness ( biotics ) is in the lightness and movement.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 juillet 2011 - 06:56 .

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JayhartRIC wrote...

Bible Doctor wrote...

Why is everyone complaining about Ashley when Vega looks like a Gears of War character?

Cause Gears of War is awesome

I never said that Gears of War was a bad series, but the characters are stylized in a way that would not fit very well into any other game (like Mass Effect, because it's another game get it?). His upper body looks comical.

While I agree that Ashley's armor might be overdoing it a bit, I could make that same argument for Vega and even Kaidan. Heavy combat armor sacrifices a lot of mobility for minimal protection, carrying around what Vega is wearing might make him look more "badass" but it won't make him any less dead. It would be a different story if we were fighting with swords that damaged foe with slashing, cutting, breaking, but we're not. We're dealing with high velocity military ammunition that armor rarely protects from anyways. To be fair though, Kaidan's armor actually looks very practical when compared to the others in the SS (not including Liara). Liara's outfit is great in a pardoy sort of way.

[mineralica]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Kaidan is a Sentinel. It makes sense that he's well-armored, because Sentinels are the tanks. 

Miranda, do you hear this? Take notes, lady, take notes!

[Gavinthelocust]

Siansonea II wrote...

Why can't Ashley just wear a re-skin of Tela Vasir's outfit?

That's reasonable, Tela Vasir was a god damn Vanguard yet she has more armor than a soldier. Miranda and Samara were light classes so it made sense to have skimpy outfits if you squint your eyes at it, but Ashley is meant to be a tank and she's wearing high heels and a skirt into battle.

[slimgrin]

The only characters that could conceivably be skimping on armor are the Asari due to their amped up biotics, but even then it doesn't quite fly with me.

[Merchant2006]

N7 items appear to be reskins of some weapons in ME2.... what.

[Vertigo_1]

mineralica wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Kaidan is a Sentinel. It makes sense that he's well-armored, because Sentinels are the tanks. 

Miranda, do you hear this? Take notes, lady, take notes!

Well for Miranda I don't see her as the front lines type of person, some armor for missions would be nice though.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 04 juillet 2011 - 06:57 .

[Xeranx]

iakus wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

Filament wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

In what way does Ashley's "armor" resemble Kasumi's attire?

Level of protectiveness.

Not sure if serious.

In other words, it's great as long as the enemy doesn't actually see her 

Which they won't because I'm done taking people into a combat situation without armor.

[Xeranx]

Filament wrote...

Regarding 'tarting it up.' Just because you say that's what she's doing does not make it so.

Regarding 'she's a Spectre so now she might be wearing light armor rather than heavy armor.' I find quite plausible. Certainly not as outlandish as you being an alien.

You're right.  He shouldn't be saying that Ashley's tarting it up.  Ashley wouldn't do that.  Bioware is tarting her up.

Modifié par Xeranx, 04 juillet 2011 - 06:59 .

[mineralica]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Well for Miranda I don't see her as the front lines type of person, some armor for missions would be nice though.

But she's Sentinel, and following the logic I quoted, is tank

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Filament wrote...

Regarding 'tarting it up.' Just because you say that's what she's doing does not make it so.

Unless your argument is that all of the things I listed as being part of her outfit are not intended to be sexy, it actually does make it so.

Xeranx wrote...

You're right.  He shouldn't be saying that Ashley's tarting it up.  Ashley wouldn't do that.  Bioware is tarting her up.

I was responding to one of the many absurd rationalizations, specifically the one that Ashley is deliberately dressing sexy so she can use her looks in "black ops Spectre operations." 

My position is that BioWare are the ones doing it. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 04 juillet 2011 - 07:01 .

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

Filament wrote...

Regarding 'tarting it up.' Just because you say that's what she's doing does not make it so.

Regarding 'she's a Spectre so now she might be wearing light armor rather than heavy armor.' I find quite plausible. Certainly not as outlandish as you being an alien.

Cleavage + armor = tarting it up.

[Blacklash93]

I'm not getting all the Vega hate... especially with the hair.

Sure, he's not the best looking guy you'll see, but he's not hideous. And really, what's the big deal about his hair? It looks like a typical military cut to me and it's probably the best match for his his bulky head and face.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 04 juillet 2011 - 07:05 .

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Filament wrote...

 Those things you listed do not change this.

Yes they do.  They're intended to.  Otherwise they would not be there at all.

[Bluko]

Okay Kaidan looks good and I approve of his new look being that he is Sentinel and that they have a focus on protection/armor now.

Ashley... Ashley looks like a field medic (or a nurse) not a Soldier. I dunno perhaps this is the case in ME3. But I always thought Ashley was mostly inspired by such characters such as Pvt. Vasquez...

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At least I hope you guys could give Ashley a chain gun or something to compensate. Look I will admit Ashley has been around partially as some sort of sex appeal from the start. I mean her medium pink & white Phoenix armor was fairly "girly". Although honestly I thought it was pretty tacky back then. Everytime I see this Ashley incarnation I'm honestly not sure if I'm looking at a new Miranda. Look Bioware if you want to appeal to adoloscent males more then anything else be my guest. You'll probably convince more then a few drooling guys to get the game as an action fix. Then again at the same time your just furthering the stigma many women have against video games for showing off their physique more then anything else.

That or guess male Shepard finally bought Ashley dinner.


Personally it seems like you guys switched Kaidan's and Ashley's roles as "Caster" and "Tank".


Anyways...

James looks a little odd. Dunno how else to put it. Seems a bit over-macho I guess? Although I wonder if part of this is to make him appealing as well... you know.

My only problem is he seriously looks he just got done playing Gears of War. He bares a rather uncanny resemblance to the COGs.




I dunno I really get the feeling the ME2 and ME3 Dev team are real big fanboys of Gears of War or something. Although I wish you guys would take a clue from them and give women the same amount of armor as the men.




Liara is alright being an Adept. (Honestly she seems to be wearing better armor then Ashley.) Though that color scheme is just kind of... well off. Seems overly dark for her character as well. I dunno just looks weird to me. Although that is very much just my opinion.

I hope again this is just early concept work on your guy's part. And I sincerely hope Ashley will have something that actually resembles armor in ME3.

[Hathur]

Wow, Vega looks like kinda... douchey... with that hair. 

Modifié par Hathur, 04 juillet 2011 - 07:05 .

[Xeranx]

Filament wrote...

I look at her outfit in totality and do not see 'tart', no. Not any more than Kasumi in her skin tight outfit or any of the other lightly armored characters in the series. Those things you listed do not change this.

Do you not see the difference between what Ashely is depicted as wearing in that shot and what Kasumi wears?  Kasumi, despite the hood and apart from Tali, is better protected than EVERY female squadmember in ME2.

[DJ CAVE SLAVE]

I like the N7 SMG and sniper rifle, and Kaidan's armor. Disappointed with the rest.  <_<

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Filament wrote...

It doesn't though. Nor would I venture to say in this specific purpose they're there for the sake of giving guys hard-ons.

The sole modern purpose of garters is sex appeal. That they don't titillate you personally doesn't really negate the fact that she is wearing what is effectively fetish gear.