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[Mr.House]

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...
Well, Miranda was really lacking in the character department. She and Jacob were just like Tali in ME1, Exposition Characters.

Her fans appear to disagree. And they seem to be interested into her personality.

Fixed.

Dear Yognaut,  please know what you are talking about until you open your mouth.

[InfoGuy101]

Kaidan's armour looks cool, Jame Vega's armour looks like it suits him though I don't know his character yet, Ashley's outfit would be a ok for semi formal wear on the Normandy but in combat I dunno but I'm open to the idea if there's a good reason for it, whether it be character driven or some other reason. Liara's outfit looks very wonky like she pick up stuff from a jumble sale or something lol. The headband/tiara looks too much maybe if it was smaller it would look better also the colors are a bit too bright maybe remove the red with a darker colour.

Anyway it still early days hopefully the developer read this thread and maybe make some adjustments.

[-Skorpious-]

Phaedon wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

SKIRT?! Seriously?

Sorry, I don't see it.

It looks like a coat to me.

Regardless of how you perceive it, it doesn't look practical in a combat environment, nor will it command respect on the battlefield.

I love with the new AA in ME2 I can now equip Miranda with proper armor, yet take it off while on the Normandy for added believability - hopefully the same will apply for Ashley in ME3.  

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 04 juillet 2011 - 09:30 .

[TexasToast712]

Phaedon wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Here's my take on these:

Someone may need to play the romance scene with Ashley again.

And someone needs to stop red sand, I am talking to you, Liara.

I love how everyone looks at something badass like Vega's outfit and goes "Derp".<_< This forum is full of hipsters.

[Xeranx]

Phaedon wrote...

Xeranx wrote...
I'm sorry, I don't like Jacob's outfit either.  I don't even like Jacob.  So your point is?

Xeranx wrote...


Apparently.  

I guess the people in the art department or whoever gave the ok for the designs never felt that they were being insulted by the gaming industry in how males can't be above ass and boob shots.  Look at the groan (read: 'this is so cheesy it hurts' groan) inducing shots of Miranda in ME2.  [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

These type of generalizations don't exactly help.

Yet it's been prevalent in gaming for 10 years +.  

There are men who don't feel like they should be treated as though they never matured beyond finding their father's porn stash in grade school.  I'm one of them.  Why can't I have something that respects my stature in life despite the fact that I participate in something deemed childish which, ironically enough, is supported by men with jobs and not adolescents who have to get an allowance from mom and dad?

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Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

TrumpetzGuy55 wrote...

I dont understand. Liara had a skirt the the LotSB dlc....and it was small armor...no one complained then

She had no skirt - it was a coat. And yes, she had light armor, because she's a biotic.

People aren't complaining about Ash's outfit itself, it's the fact that she's the one wearing it.

[Candidate 88766]

I'd rather the characters wore something individual as opposed to every character walking around in generic power-armour suits like space marines.

And while Ash wore heavy armour in ME1 that was because her character, like all the ME1 squaddies, was based around her class. Ash was the soldier, so her character had to fit this like Kaiden had to fill the role of a sentinel. Tali was a faceless tech person because she was the engineer. The ME1 squad members were simply the 6 player classes with faces and dialogue. For ME2, Bioware tried to make the characters much more varied and individual, and changed many of them from ME1 such as Tali, Garrus and Liara.

It stands to reason that both Kaiden and Ash will have changed, not just because Bioware will want to flesh them out to be more than just the soldier and the sentinel, but also because of their promotion to Spectre. So it seems silly to argue what Ash should and shouldn't wear based on her character because we don't know how her character has changed in the intervening 3 years between ME1 and ME3. Unless you don't want her to change at all from ME1 in which her character will simply be 'soldier'.

Mass Effect is supposed to be an homage to the great sci-fi films of the past. Bioware said this all through the build-up to ME1. Its why they have the film-grain filter and the synth-based music and all the little references in both games. In things like Star Wars or Star Trek a character's outfit is as much a part of the character as the person is. For example, no matter what the situation Han Solo nearly always wore the same outfit. Does it make sense? Is it accurate? No. But Han Solo just wouldn't be Han Solo if he walked around a spacesuit the whole time. In a sense, the characters are almost meant to be over-the-top a bit.

While realism almost always helps a story, Mass Effect is about making you feel like you are in one of those classic sci-fi universes - that childish desire to be the captain of a starship and fly around the galaxy. Bioware has been able to tackle mature issues in Mass Effect, but the goal with the series all along has been to make an homage to classic sci-fi and emulate the feel of it.

There needs to be a base of realism to make the universe plausible of course, but Mass Effect is above all else a space opera and with that comes an element of melodrama and adventure, so I personally can forgive slightly over-the-top costumes. While you need some realism, Mass Effect isn't about realism. A realistic sci-fi game would have you be the captain of a ship like Icarus from Sunshine (incidentally, I think a game that really focused on total accuracy set in space could be very interesting and there could be so much tension in even small moments - a race back to your ship when you have a suit rupture, set in the total silence of space, could be fantastic if done right. The first time I played ME2 and Shepard emerged onto the CIC of the Normandy as it fell apart, and the only sound was Shepard's breathing, was one of the greatest moments I've experienced in gaming) and while that would be good, its not the experience that Mass Effect is going for. Mass Effect is going for an idealised, nostalgic vision of sci-fi. It goes that feeling you had as a child after you watched something like Star Wars for the first time - that desire to fly around the galaxy in your own ship, exploring worlds, meeting aliens, going off on some galactic adventure to fight the forces of evil. While more mature themes are built around this in Mass Effect, that is the basic premise. So for that reason, I can forgive the outfits not being scientifically accurate.

Besides, its not like Ashley is wearing Leia's bikini outfit.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 04 juillet 2011 - 09:33 .

[OrbitalWings]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Good grief that actually works incredibly well - even the poses seem to match their heads more. Wow.

Modifié par Metal-Dragon-Kiryu, 04 juillet 2011 - 09:33 .

[Blacklash93]

TexasToast712 wrote...

This forum is full of hipsters.

I'm liking Vega before it's cool.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 04 juillet 2011 - 09:45 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Rojahar wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Here's my take on these:

Someone may need to play the romance scene with Ashley again.

And someone needs to stop red sand, I am talking to you, Liara.

I love how everyone looks at something badass like Vega's outfit and goes "Derp".<_< This forum is full of hipsters.

He's wearing an outfit? I can't see past the "i like mah pro rasslin n deth metalz" haircut I'd expect on a friendless 15 year old.

Anyone who liked death metal would not be caught with hair that short, it's not METAL BRO!

[Crackseed]

Well said Candidate. It almost feels like half of the issues generated lately are just because people latch on to anything that gives them room to nitpick Bioware. Do I want Ash to have a combat armor option? Sure, I'd love it. But I'm not all that fussed about her current look - I think it's unique and fresh enough and even if I wonder about Vega's hair, I know the character will be interesting to interact with in game anyway.

I'm not saying people shouldn't question or discuss of course, just that some of the discussion is verging on more then feedback and hitting a very "You'll never please me unless you do MY vision exactly" tone to the posting.

[crimzontearz]

what's with the damn head swapping??

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Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
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Good grief that actually works incredibly well - even the poses seem to match their heads more. Wow.

I still like Liara in her sexy armor. I think Ash just needs some sexy heavy armor too.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 04 juillet 2011 - 09:40 .

[Mister Mida]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

It stands to reason that both Kaiden and Ash will have changed, not just because Bioware will want to flesh them out to be more than just the soldier and the sentinel, but also because of their promotion to Spectre. So it seems silly to argue what Ash should and shouldn't wear based on her character because we don't know how her character has changed in the intervening 3 years between ME1 and ME3. Unless you don't want her to change at all from ME1 in which her character will simply be 'soldier'.

Two years after ME (1), she still wears heavy armour.

[Siansonea]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Here's my take on these:

Someone may need to play the romance scene with Ashley again.

And someone needs to stop red sand, I am talking to you, Liara.

I love how everyone looks at something badass like Vega's outfit and goes "Derp".<_< This forum is full of hipsters.

If by "hipster" you mean "not a stereotypical 15-year-old male" then guilty as charged, I guess.

Seriously, anyone who thinks Vega's outfit is genuinely "badass"—*heavy sigh*

[Icinix]

Dear Ashley,
I know we had something special when we were hunting down the conduit.
I know we had our issues when I was stopping the collectors.

But why, oh why, did you go and get yourself a boob job - and why, oh why, did you give the armour you should be wearing to a parallel universe Kaidan - everyone knows he's not exactly cut out for lugging heavy armour! - and when I told you I thought you should let your hair down a little - I didn't mean when you were touting a gun!!!

Sincerely, Shep.

[TexasToast712]

Siansonea II wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Here's my take on these:

Someone may need to play the romance scene with Ashley again.

And someone needs to stop red sand, I am talking to you, Liara.

I love how everyone looks at something badass like Vega's outfit and goes "Derp".<_< This forum is full of hipsters.

If by "hipster" you mean "not a stereotypical 15-year-old male" then guilty as charged, I guess.

Seriously, anyone who thinks Vega's outfit is genuinely "badass"—*heavy sigh*

I like the wrists/fist area. Looks like he has dual Ballistic Fists from Fallout New Vegas. Yes, I also feel people's pain over Ashley but I dont feel too bad because I never really liked her anyway. I guess am just a 15 year old trapped in a 21 year old man's body. *sigh* 

[TexasToast712]

Blacklash93 wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

This forum is full of hipsters.

I'm liking Vega before it's cool.

Same.

[Candidate 88766]

Mister Mida wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

It stands to reason that both Kaiden and Ash will have changed, not just because Bioware will want to flesh them out to be more than just the soldier and the sentinel, but also because of their promotion to Spectre. So it seems silly to argue what Ash should and shouldn't wear based on her character because we don't know how her character has changed in the intervening 3 years between ME1 and ME3. Unless you don't want her to change at all from ME1 in which her character will simply be 'soldier'.

Two years after ME (1), she still wears heavy armour.

She was still a soldier - her character hadn't been developed at all since ME1. 

[-Skorpious-]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

It stands to reason that both Kaiden and Ash will have changed, not just because Bioware will want to flesh them out to be more than just the soldier and the sentinel, but also because of their promotion to Spectre. So it seems silly to argue what Ash should and shouldn't wear based on her character because we don't know how her character has changed in the intervening 3 years between ME1 and ME3. Unless you don't want her to change at all from ME1 in which her character will simply be 'soldier'.

Two years after ME (1), she still wears heavy armour.

She was still a soldier - her character hadn't been developed at all since ME1. 

Ditching armor for high-heels, a V-neck and vision restricting hair is not character development - its just stupid. 

Would you play professional footbal without a helmet? Or would you go without because "it makes me look stupid!"?

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 04 juillet 2011 - 09:48 .

[Xeranx]

Candidate 88766 wrote...
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Please tell me how character growth is equivalent to a change in protective attire in combat situations.  Ashley states her dislike for Asari commando attire in combat in the first game. 

Ashley states she's an Alliance Marine.  "It's in my blood" being a defining comment if I ever heard one.  This is done in ME2.

Stating that we don't know how she's changed in 3 years, thereby completely ignoring the above evidence found in ME2, seems like a move to make your statement and label people however you want because you don't agree with them.  

If the time between ME2 and ME3 is a few months how do you think her change can be justified?  How do you justify a departure from what one considered practical and safe to use in combat to embracing something that goes against everything she's known for?

[Candidate 88766]

crackseed wrote...

Well said Candidate. It almost feels like half of the issues generated lately are just because people latch on to anything that gives them room to nitpick Bioware. Do I want Ash to have a combat armor option? Sure, I'd love it. But I'm not all that fussed about her current look - I think it's unique and fresh enough and even if I wonder about Vega's hair, I know the character will be interesting to interact with in game anyway.

I'm not saying people shouldn't question or discuss of course, just that some of the discussion is verging on more then feedback and hitting a very "You'll never please me unless you do MY vision exactly" tone to the posting.

Thanks. I think making Ash look unique is more important than giving her a hulking suit of armour. 

And while I agree that discussion of it is welcome - everyone is entitled to their opinion - it seems that all the arguements against Ash's new outfit are either that it goes against her character even though we don't know how much her character has developed for ME3, or that it isn't realistic - which, as I pointed out a couple of posts ago, isn't necessary for the experience Mass Effect is going for. At least in my opinion.

[Mister Mida]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

It stands to reason that both Kaiden and Ash will have changed, not just because Bioware will want to flesh them out to be more than just the soldier and the sentinel, but also because of their promotion to Spectre. So it seems silly to argue what Ash should and shouldn't wear based on her character because we don't know how her character has changed in the intervening 3 years between ME1 and ME3. Unless you don't want her to change at all from ME1 in which her character will simply be 'soldier'.

Two years after ME (1), she still wears heavy armour.

She was still a soldier - her character hadn't been developed at all since ME1. 

So a character needs to be promoted in order to develop. Riiight.

Oh well. I don't think her outfit/armour/whatever it's supposed to be looks as bad as many here seem to think. But if this change in what's part of her fighting style isn't explained somehow, and doesn't have a proper reason, I'm gonna hit the disapprove button. Hard.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 04 juillet 2011 - 09:56 .

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