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[Siansonea]

Xeranx wrote...

littlezack wrote...

 What the hell does Ashely's outfit have to do with the game's Mature rating?

Some time ago Fox News called ME a porn simulator because of the love scene in the first game.  They incredibly exaggerated events and made up actions you could take regarding the sex scene. Basically they committed slander.  Casey Hudson, said that they went for a more PG-13 style with ME2.  Many, and rightfully so in my opinion, think it was in response to FAUX New's ****** poor discussion of the original game with their so-called expert who didn't play the game at all.  In fact, none of them played it and had no idea of what was going on in the story nevermind the love scene.

Well, with the change to a PG-13 style we got constant swearing, high school jock-like behavior, women (and Jacob and Thane) in skin tight clothing or a bra strap in Jack's case.  We got camera angles that, if they didn't fixate on parts of a character's anatomy, made me you look at that bit of anatomy.  This is aimed namely at Miranda.  The depiction of women in the game was pretty poor when you consider how they all were directed and how they acted.  Probably the most natural romance progression that led to anywhere (Samara's didn't go anywhere) was reduced to a strip tease and dance.  Yes I'm talking about Kelly.

Then there was complete refusal to abide by the lore established in the first game.  Those same characters with skin tight clothing, and very little clothing are in hazardous areas with half-face breath masks meanwhile Shepard (both male and female) are covered from head to toe in those areas and where air is scarce to non-existent.  The only place people can survive in a vacuum is in children's storys...that's if people are allowed to exist in space without having a suit on in children's stories.  The only one that comes to mind is Silverhawks from the '80s.

In any case, all the above took Mass Effect, which was supposed to be a mature story, and made it into something completely opposite from what it's supposed to be.  Many of the things in ME2 made me feel like I was being treated like a little boy.  "Take a look at her cleavage!"  "Look, she's practically topless!"  "Say it with me...space boobs." "Check out [insert well-known phrase here for Miranda]."

The last thing I, as an adult male, want out of my entertainment is anything that serves to belittle me when I pay for it.  Actually I should say I never want that, nevermind it being the last thing I want.  

All I want is this: if you're going to start telling me story in a three-part series along the lines of "Interview with a Vampire" don't give me "Twilight".

Maybe it's the wine talking, but I think I love you.

[Mr.House]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

A picture is worth a thousand words, pal. And your average tweet doesn't come anywhere near a thousand words. You're really naive if you think "all of our concerns are for naught" on the basis of a damn tweet. <_<

A tweet by Casey Hudson. And if you ask me, that tweet didn't leave a whole lotta room for interpretation.

I trust Casey.

Just because you trust him does not mean any of us will, more so when some of us have no reason not to trust him, or Bioware in general anymore.

[Siansonea]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

A picture is worth a thousand words, pal. And your average tweet doesn't come anywhere near a thousand words. You're really naive if you think "all of our concerns are for naught" on the basis of a damn tweet. <_<

A tweet by Casey Hudson. And if you ask me, that tweet didn't leave a whole lotta room for interpretation.

I trust Casey.

Yeah. You're new here.

[jlb524]

slimgrin wrote...

Oh gee. Someone tweeted Bioware about all the 'b*tchers and complainers'. How original.

'Dear Biowarezz. We luvz the new Ashluy. Sheezz sooooo cute, XD.

PLeaazze don't change her, I luvz my blowups dollz the way they are. Thanks.

Not surprised.  They don't need to change that outfit, though.  They just need to provide an alternate option.

People that like the new, sexier look can put her in that.

Those that want the more traditional Ashley 'soldier' look can put her in that.

I think most in this thread just want heavier looking armor as an alternate to the light one.

[Eromenos]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Eromenos wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Eromenos wrote...

Please. Your constant worship of the character's decisions as if she were real and free-thinking on her own is a weak deflection from the fact that she's been made this way by a team of 99% sexist males catering to other sexist males even at the cost of undermining this formerly strong female character. Denying that there's exploitation against women here. It's convenient for you to make excuses for their misogyny because, to paraphrase, you've actually said this Ashley doesn't qualify as "sexy enough."

So because they give her an attracive appearance, they are sexist? That's dumb.

So as long as she's constantly exposed for titllation even on the battlefield then you value her. Except she's still not being exposed enough for you. That's dumb.

What the hell are you even talking about?

Exposed for titillation? It's not a damn catsuit. Chill out. You are taking a potential look too far.

Low-cut neckline, which is unprofessional in many places regardless of hazards. Skin-tight fabric to supposedly guard her against bullets, biotics, tech, and melee. No hard surfaces protecting her vitals. Loose hair that can get caught on things or be easily grabbed by her opponents. High-heels that make balancing difficult, to say nothing of running and gunning and a multitude of other physical exertions. Thigh-high boots and skirt of the same nature. Exposure. Titillation. Catsuit.

Quite a step down for a female Marine who never used to dress to impress losers. She's only this way now as a "brotha-man handshake" to said losers.

Yeah, in your world such is an ideal woman. One who needs boyz to like her to the point where she hampers herself while Reapers are setting up shop on Earth.

Modifié par Eromenos, 05 juillet 2011 - 03:30 .

[littlezack]

Yes...things were so much more mature in ME1....

[Raiil]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

He specifcally mentioned helmets as well, if I recall. As someone said earlier in this thread, a helmet wouldn't go with her outfit at all. So I think that means different armor as well.

Depends on the helmet and if 'helmet' includes 'breather masks'.

A breather mask is most definitely NOT a helmet, as it is a MASK.

They're basically treated like helmets in the MEverse, at least as far as we've seen in ME2, since several squaddies wear them in lieu of an actual helmet. Surprised me the first time I saw it (I usually take Thane, Zaeed, Grunt or Garrus with me, all of whom have actual helmets, so imagine my surprise when I took Mordin...)

No, they are treated like masks, as they are only worn in places where the air is uncompatible for them. A helmet can be worn at any time.

Shepard can wear a helmet at any time, but in situations where they're forced to wear a helmet for safety reasons, certain squaddies wear masks while others wear helmets. I'm not saying that the masks have a +45 cranial protection algorithm attached, but then, neither do the helmets that the other companions wear. If it was just an air issue, I'm pretty sure Shepard would have been stuck with the clear mask as well. YMMV, though.

[ThatDancingTurian]

littlezack wrote...

 My point is if you think what Ashely's wearing makes her a sex symbol, than you have a very underdeveloped sense of sex. As I've stated numerous times, I don't like the outfit, but some of you act like she's dressed in DOA style-attire.

Personally, I don't think it's about sexualization. I think it's more that she was too intimidating in armor. She's a woman, so she has to be soft! Put her in a skirt and heels, because that's what girls should wear. Girls don't need to be protected, they should worry about looking pretty 24/7 even in the middle of a war zone. It's about practicality and safety, and those taking a back seat to aesthetics and fashion, but only in the case of the female soldier.

Just as insulting as blantant sexualization, IMO.

[Mr.House]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
If some people don't trust in biowae, why are they even playing Bioware games?

You don't need to trust Bioware or there marketing to enjoy their game.

Modifié par Mr.House, 05 juillet 2011 - 03:31 .

[Seboist]

Mr.House wrote...

Seboist wrote...

ME2/3 and DA2 make the main character look like a total wimp for wearing armor while the squadmates run around deflecting bullets with their nipple straps,V necks, high heels and catsuits.

*sigh* Not this again. DA2 get's a pass for one reason, it's fantasy. Also there is no bullets in DA2, nor is there nipple straps, high heels or cat suits.

So using DA2 as an example is not only poor it just feelsl ike a weak attempt to bash DA2, DA is not Sci-Fi, ME is Sci Fi and it better start acting like one.

All my characters in DA:O were strapped in armor (besides mages) and if it's "just fantasy" why do Aveline and Hawke bother wearing armor?

[littlezack]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

littlezack wrote...

 My point is if you think what Ashely's wearing makes her a sex symbol, than you have a very underdeveloped sense of sex. As I've stated numerous times, I don't like the outfit, but some of you act like she's dressed in DOA style-attire.

Personally, I don't think it's about sexualization. I think it's more that she was too intimidating in armor. She's a woman, so she has to be soft! Put her in a skirt and heels, because that's what girls should wear. Girls don't need to be protected, they should worry about looking pretty 24/7 even in the middle of a war zone. It's about practicality and safety, and those taking a back seat to aesthetics and fashion, but only in the case of the female soldier.

Just as insulting as blantant sexualization, IMO.

Ashely doesn't need armor to be intimidating.

[Siansonea]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

A picture is worth a thousand words, pal. And your average tweet doesn't come anywhere near a thousand words. You're really naive if you think "all of our concerns are for naught" on the basis of a damn tweet. <_<

A tweet by Casey Hudson. And if you ask me, that tweet didn't leave a whole lotta room for interpretation.

I trust Casey.

Just because you trust him does not mean any of us will, more so when some of us have no reason not to trust him, or Bioware in general anymore.

If some people don't trust in biowae, why are they even playing Bioware games?

Did you even play ME1?

[ThatDancingTurian]

littlezack wrote...

Ashely doesn't need armor to be intimidating.

By that logic she should fight in jeans in a t-shirt. She should still dress appropriately to her character, class/job and personal taste.

[Mr.House]

Seboist wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Seboist wrote...

ME2/3 and DA2 make the main character look like a total wimp for wearing armor while the squadmates run around deflecting bullets with their nipple straps,V necks, high heels and catsuits.

*sigh* Not this again. DA2 get's a pass for one reason, it's fantasy. Also there is no bullets in DA2, nor is there nipple straps, high heels or cat suits.

So using DA2 as an example is not only poor it just feelsl ike a weak attempt to bash DA2, DA is not Sci-Fi, ME is Sci Fi and it better start acting like one.

All my characters in DA:O were strapped in armor (besides mages) and if it's "just fantasy" why do Aveline and Hawke bother wearing armor?

Hawke does not need to wear armour, and Aveline is a tank. She needs armour.

[Eshaye]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Is Ashley wearing a SKIRT? ::facepalm::

These alt armors do NOTHING to assuage my fears that armor is treated differently for women and men. :/ I want to see heavy armor options for Ashley and light for Kaidan. But I have got this nasty, nasty feeling we are getting ME2 treatment.
 That would be horrible. And If my Shepard is stuck forever in the same armor from ME2 I'm going to gag. 

[jlb524]

littlezack wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

littlezack wrote...

 My point is if you think what Ashely's wearing makes her a sex symbol, than you have a very underdeveloped sense of sex. As I've stated numerous times, I don't like the outfit, but some of you act like she's dressed in DOA style-attire.

Personally, I don't think it's about sexualization. I think it's more that she was too intimidating in armor. She's a woman, so she has to be soft! Put her in a skirt and heels, because that's what girls should wear. Girls don't need to be protected, they should worry about looking pretty 24/7 even in the middle of a war zone. It's about practicality and safety, and those taking a back seat to aesthetics and fashion, but only in the case of the female soldier.

Just as insulting as blantant sexualization, IMO.

Ashely doesn't need armor to be intimidating.

Neither does Wrex...oh, wait.

[Mr.House]

Wrex in catsuit for ME3?

[DarkDragon777]

Ashley's outfit isn't even a catsuit; it's medium armor with a little portion that shows a bit of a skirt. It isn't a big deal. Stop overreacting.

[AngelicMachinery]

Mr.House wrote...

Wrex in catsuit for ME3?

Rowr!  Mamma wants.

[littlezack]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

littlezack wrote...

Ashely doesn't need armor to be intimidating.

By that logic she should fight in jeans in a t-shirt. She should still dress appropriately to her character, class/job and personal taste.

You weren't talking about her fighting, you were saying that she was put in that outfit because the armor made her too intimidating, which is silly. She wasn't intimidating in ME1 because she wore armor, she was intimidating because she's an intimidating woman. Regardless of what she's wearing, she'll still be an intimidating woman.

[crimzontearz]

this is ridiculous


I understand a freaking mage in DA2 not wearing an armor since....gee they can turn their skin into the freaking biological equivalent stone and erect forcefields (both of them at one time often). but EVERY other charact6er not wearing armor?

no

BS

"it's fantasy" should not be a pass to just be ridiculous in character design