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[Eshaye]

Em23 wrote...

All the guys in heavy armour and the girls in catsuits. You disappoint me Bioware.

Indeed!! 

www.youtube.com/watch    The Tassels of intimidation, comes with a matching whip...

Modifié par Eshaye, 05 juillet 2011 - 03:55 .

[MillaShepard]

Siansonea II wrote...

By the way, here's Wrex's alternate appearance for ME3. But don't worry, Casey Hudson tweeted that you'll be able to put him in something else. He may have mentioned bows and fishnets.

Bahahahaha!!!   *dies*

[AngelicMachinery]

Siansonea II wrote...

By the way, here's Wrex's alternate appearance for ME3. But don't worry, Casey Hudson tweeted that you'll be able to put him in something else. He may have mentioned bows and fishnets.

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[ThatDancingTurian]

Mr.House wrote...

She wore armour in ME2, ME3 takes place a couple of months after ME2.

She was also doing covert ops in ME2, apparently. Who knows, she might already be in consideration for Spectrehood at this point. So in a two year span she's changed her attitude slightly, changed her career trajectory majorly, and most importantly, is still wearing the same exact style of armor and the bun. Then you have a six month gap, and all of a sudden her personal style has done a 180. It makes no sense.

[Raiil]

Mr.House wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

*shrugs*

Ashley is wearing a light armor that gives her greater mobility and allows her to use whatever advantage she has (including sex appeal) to get her way.

She's not a soldier anymore but an agent of the Council.

BUT, I do have an issue with Bioware basically kicking us in the balls after promising the option of good 'ol alternate armor for Ash.

Come on Bioware... You can dress her up any way you want but give us MORE options. >.<

Don't tell me that I only have two options like in ME2.

If Ash even tries to use sex appeal to get her way in ME3 I will simply stop playing. That's not Ash I know, that's some spawn with her face.

Eh, I don't play maleshep so I never got to see Ashley's ~*saucy*~ side, but I think it depends on how she goes about it. IIRC (from what I've read/watched on the AshShep romance) she can be a little, well, saucy, she just doesn't stick her breasts in your face while doing so ('That's a waste of a perfectly fine ass... sir"). So if it's some nudge nudge double entendre, I wouldn't blink. If it's 'my bosom, let me show you it' constantly, I think that's more a matter of concern.

Ash never used her body to get her way or ocmplete a mission, she was fl;irty yes but she never used her body like say Miri to get what she needs. For Ash to do that, even once would kill the game fast for me.

You don't pull crap like this at the last entry when in the ME2 she was wearing armour and her normal self only a couple of months before ME3

Which is why I said if it's nudge nudge double entendre, I wouldn't blink, but if it's gone heaving bosom, leaping sexpot I'd be concerned. I did make a divide between flirty and an 'insert head here' sign pointing to her chest.

[Mathias]

Mr.House wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...
Ok, and? I once thought Harry Potter was for dorks and then i watched the first movie. 2 hours,later i liked Harry Potter. 

Worse comparison ever.

How? It demonstrates people's opinions can change rather fast. It's part of human nature. We're not robots.

[-Skorpious-]

Those of us who are complaining (yes, me included) should put down our fire and pitchforks and try to act somewhat civil. Instead of shrieking -

"You ruined Ashley Bioware! High-heels?! What form of madness is this?!"

What we SHOULD be saying (albeit calmly) is -

"Bioware, we respect your artistic vision and desire for wider appeal, but us fans of the original Mass Effect would appreciate it if you could give us a definitive answer regarding the controversy that is Ashley's current armor; a brief vague tweet simply won't cut it. Also, we do not want Ashley's current armor to disappear completely, but would like an alternative for those who prefer a more "traditional" look for Ashley Williams."

See? Not so hard is it? Even though I am not a parent, I wouldn't give candy to a baby throwing a temper tantrum.

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 05 juillet 2011 - 03:57 .

[Siansonea]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
*snip*

Did you even play ME1?

Yes. What does that have to do with anything?

Because you're acting like you're either not paying attention or you haven't played the first game. Female characters in the first game, with a couple of notable exceptions, were hardly sexualized at all. Female Shepard, Ashley, Tali, and Liara all wore realistic armor that was consistent with what their male counterparts were wearing.

In the second game, everything changed. Shepard's armor was somewhat consistent between genders, but even this emphasized the gender differences a lot more than in the first game. But at least Shepard was able to WEAR armor. Miranda, Samara and Jack were more exposed than any character from the first game, and Jacob too. It was obvious that "cool factor" trumped "realism" when it came to ME2's character designs. If these folks hung out on the ship in these outfits and wore armor into battle, it wouldn't have been such a collective facepalm. But nooooooo. Garrus, Grunt and Thane at least got helmets, and naturally it's a non-issue for Tali, so it definitely comes off as rather gender-biased.

Now that we're seeing hints and clues for the third game, are we getting reassurances that they're returning to a semblance of sanity and gender parity? NO. We're seeing the opposite of that with pictures like this. We're seeing every bit as much of a preference for "cool factor" over "realism". Kaidan gets a butch makeover, Ashley is turned out in flimsy clothing, James Vega looks like he escaped from another game altogether, and Liara is shown wearing a silly retread of Samara's costume. How is any of that supposed to be encouraging, tweet or no tweet?

Maybe they wanted to make the characters more personified if that's the term?

It's not the term. I don't know what IS the term, but that is most certainly not the term. And your hypothetical explanation is hardly a compelling cause for reassurance in any case.

If they want to differentiate the characters more, they are encouraged to do so. But giving the characters arbitrary makeovers to satisfy a stupid Marketing initiative is never going to sit well with people who have bought into this story and these characters and VALUE the differentiation they already have.

[jlb524]

littlezack wrote...

You know what, I'm done arguing. But I'll say this - if you guys feel that strongly in your CRUSADE AGAINST CHAUVINISM, stop whining on a Bioware forum, make a sign, and go join a march somewhere, instead of spouting a bunch of cliches you heard on TV.

I don't think you hear that kind of stuff on TV...at least not in my country.

[Eshaye]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Those of us who are complaining (yes, me included) should put down our fire and pitchforks and try to act somewhat civil. Instead of shrieking -

"You ruined Ashley Bioware! High-heels?! What form of madness is this?!"

What we SHOULD be saying (albeit calmly) is -

"Bioware, we respect your artistic vision and desire for wider appeal, but us fans of the original Mass Effect would appreciate it if you could give us a definitive answer regarding the controversy that is Ashley's current armor; a brief vague tweet simply won't cut it. We do not want Ashley's current armor to disappear completely, but would like an alternative for those who prefer a more "traditional" look for Ashley Williams."

See? Not so hard is it? Even though I am not a parent, I wouldn't give candy to a baby throwing a temper tantrum.

Then make a thread and do that, this post is about to get lost in this sea right here....

[Rockworm503]

Vega is gonna be played by The Miz?

[Rinji the Bearded]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Bonnie from Bonnie and Clyde would like to speak with you.

... Are you seriously using a criminal from the early 20th century as comparison?

Let's just dress up all of our armed forces like that while we're at it, obviously it makes a lot of sense.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 05 juillet 2011 - 03:59 .

[Mr.House]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...
Ok, and? I once thought Harry Potter was for dorks and then i watched the first movie. 2 hours,later i liked Harry Potter. 

Worse comparison ever.

How? It demonstrates people's opinions can change rather fast. It's part of human nature. We're not robots.

Ash is a chaarcter, with a fanbase. If you are doing major changes to a character you forshadow and move towards it, Bioware did not do that with her.

ME: Tomboy, heavy armour marine to the bone
ME2: Tomboy, heavyamour, marine to the bone.
ME3: light armour cat suit with her neck showing, curves out there, long hair and high heels.



Do you see the issue?

[ThatDancingTurian]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Those of us who are complaining (yes, me included) should put down our fire and pitchforks and try to act somewhat civil. Instead of shrieking -

"You ruined Ashley Bioware! High-heels?! What form of madness is this?!"

What we SHOULD be saying (albeit calmly) is -

"Bioware, we respect your artistic vision and desire for wider appeal, but us fans of the original Mass Effect would appreciate it if you could give us a definitive answer regarding the controversy that is Ashley's current armor. No, a brief vague tweet simply won't cut it. We do not want Ashley's current armor to disappear completely, but would like an alternative for those who prefer a more "traditional" look for Ashley Williams."

See? Not so hard is it? Even though I am not a parent, I wouldn't give candy to a baby throwing a temper tantrum.

I don't see a lot of shrieking. It seems like most of the heated comments are a result of somebody deciding to call the well reasoned arguments 'b****ing' and 'whining'.

[Uzzy]

These may be alternative designs that aren't final, but they are highly indicative of a new culture at Bioware which is turning all the female characters they create into little more then sex objects. Sort it out, Bioware. Give Ashley some ARMOUR.

[Siansonea]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

littlezack wrote...


It's not titallating. Hell, female business suits are more revealing.

You know what, I'm done arguing. But I'll say this - if you guys feel that strongly in your CRUSADE AGAINST CHAUVINISM, stop whining on a Bioware forum, make a sign, and go join a march somewhere, instead of spouting a bunch of cliches you heard on TV.

Women in business suits aren't out shooting and getting shot at for a living.

Bonnie from Bonnie and Clyde would like to speak with you.

Analogy Failure Detected. Initiating emergency shutdown sequence.

[-Skorpious-]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

Those of us who are complaining (yes, me included) should put down our fire and pitchforks and try to act somewhat civil. Instead of shrieking -

"You ruined Ashley Bioware! High-heels?! What form of madness is this?!"

What we SHOULD be saying (albeit calmly) is -

"Bioware, we respect your artistic vision and desire for wider appeal, but us fans of the original Mass Effect would appreciate it if you could give us a definitive answer regarding the controversy that is Ashley's current armor. No, a brief vague tweet simply won't cut it. We do not want Ashley's current armor to disappear completely, but would like an alternative for those who prefer a more "traditional" look for Ashley Williams."

See? Not so hard is it? Even though I am not a parent, I wouldn't give candy to a baby throwing a temper tantrum.

I don't see a lot of shrieking. It seems like most of the heated comments are a result of somebody deciding to call the well reasoned arguments 'b****ing' and 'whining'.

Using the word "shrieking" sounds better and more dramatic than "complaining" does. 

[Eromenos]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Eromenos wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Eromenos wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Eromenos wrote...

Please. Your constant worship of the character's decisions as if she were real and free-thinking on her own is a weak deflection from the fact that she's been made this way by a team of 99% sexist males catering to other sexist males even at the cost of undermining this formerly strong female character. Denying that there's exploitation against women here. It's convenient for you to make excuses for their misogyny because, to paraphrase, you've actually said this Ashley doesn't qualify as "sexy enough."

So because they give her an attracive appearance, they are sexist? That's dumb.

So as long as she's constantly exposed for titllation even on the battlefield then you value her. Except she's still not being exposed enough for you. That's dumb.

What the hell are you even talking about?

Exposed for titillation? It's not a damn catsuit. Chill out. You are taking a potential look too far.

Low-cut neckline, which is unprofessional in many places regardless of hazards. Skin-tight fabric to supposedly guard her against bullets, biotics, tech, and melee. No hard surfaces protecting her vitals. Loose hair that can get caught on things or be easily grabbed by her opponents. High-heels that make balancing difficult, to say nothing of running and gunning and a multitude of other physical exertions. Thigh-high boots and skirt of the same nature. Exposure. Titillation.

Quite a step down for a female Marine who never used to dress to impress losers. She's only this way now as a "brotha-man handshake" to said losers.

Yeah, in your world such is an ideal woman. One who needs boyz to like her to the point where she hampers herself while Reapers are setting up shop on Earth.

When did I even imply that I think it is such for an ideal woman? I think you are thinking too hard. Plus, Casey said we can give her armor to wear.

Like I said, It's not a catsuit.

Really? You'd accuse Jacob of wearing a catsuit when it's convenient for you, but when Ashley here is stuck wearing the exact same thing albeit with even more exploitative encumberances, suddenly that's not a catsuit? Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

Every one of your posts in this thread so far has gone towards supporting this exposed and exploited Ashley. The fact that you would favor the ridiculousness of putting women in such danger just so long as they look pretty by being vulnerable is how you've been idealizing her. You shouldn't defend BioWare's cop-out idiocy here. None of us should.

Hudson also maintained that asari aren't actually female as one of his past attempts to dodge our warranted accusations of sexism, misogyny, exploitation, and homophobia in the way the asari are presented. And there's the entirety of ME2 that he was responsible for. I won't trust anything "good" he says about female characters. He's had nothing to show for a long, long time.

Modifié par Eromenos, 05 juillet 2011 - 04:02 .

[Savber100]

Mr.House wrote...

If Ash even tries to use sex appeal to get her way in ME3 I will simply stop playing. That's not Ash I know, that's some spawn with her face.

The Ash I know is fiercely loyal to whoever she is working for. She's the "get-it-done" girl and is now the first female human Spectre. Remember that being a Spectre changes a lot of things. As a soldier, your orders are to shoot and obey. Now as a Spectre, you gives orders and has to be more aware of your actions as the galaxy watches. No more shooting and asking questions later (Wrex) especially after the first failed (the Council thinks so) human spectre. She knows this and adapts accordingly just like the Ash I know would.

HOWEVER, I doubt we'll see Ash trying to seduce anyone (she's still the tough girl I know) but in context of what she is now, I'm not surprised by how she's dressed.

AngelicMachinery wrote...

I've never understood how sex appeal matters much when your fighting zombies,  aliens,  and robot cthulus.

Ah.. but you failed to realize that Spectres already had roles in mantaining galactic peace long before the reaper's arrival.

As agents of the Council, Spectres will indimidate, seduce, and kill for the good of the Council. The sudden arrival of the Reapers doesn't change that. Think a hardcore 007.

[Xeranx]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

Those of us who are complaining (yes, me included) should put down our fire and pitchforks and try to act somewhat civil. Instead of shrieking -

"You ruined Ashley Bioware! High-heels?! What form of madness is this?!"

What we SHOULD be saying (albeit calmly) is -

"Bioware, we respect your artistic vision and desire for wider appeal, but us fans of the original Mass Effect would appreciate it if you could give us a definitive answer regarding the controversy that is Ashley's current armor. No, a brief vague tweet simply won't cut it. We do not want Ashley's current armor to disappear completely, but would like an alternative for those who prefer a more "traditional" look for Ashley Williams."

See? Not so hard is it? Even though I am not a parent, I wouldn't give candy to a baby throwing a temper tantrum.

I don't see a lot of shrieking. It seems like most of the heated comments are a result of somebody deciding to call the well reasoned arguments 'b****ing' and 'whining'.

Exactly.